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Going off topic a bit but regarding Canelo, he's always been a precise puncher, doesn't waste many punches, doesn't fight a particularly high rate, has always been naturally strong, technically brilliant, I believe he's a PED cheat, I just dont know why, he has all the fundamentals

well, because, imagine having all those fundementals, and then having extra stamina, strength/power, size etc to go with it. or to make weight easier and recover faster

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 15:42 well, because, imagine having all those fundementals, and then having extra stamina, strength/power, size etc to go with it. or to make weight easier and recover faster

Yeh, cus he does slow down a little mid fights then restarts his engine.

Haney called Reynoso’s boys cheats and Ryan got all butthurt.

well, out of the ruiz, canelo, vargas, garcia grew.......that's half of them caught with peds

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:01 well, out of the ruiz, canelo, vargas, garcia grew.......that's half of them caught with peds

Which Vargas?

Will he be stripped.. hmm.

Can tell Arum is very fond of him.

It wasn’t a mandatory, but I think he should be stripped.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:01 well, out of the ruiz, canelo, vargas, garcia grew.......that's half of them caught with peds

Which Vargas?

valdez i mean

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:03

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:02

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 16:01 well, out of the ruiz, canelo, vargas, garcia grew.......that's half of them caught with peds

Which Vargas?

valdez i mean

Ohh ..

Funny as well, Garcia was WBC interim, so he would have had to enroll.

Health issues. Yeh, more like PED issues.

Wow! What a move!

Peds? What peds?

all aboot dat money

I'm with Devin Haney on this one. Reynoso gym is a PED factory.

Fightdoctor wrote: ↑02 Sep 2021, 22:57 I'm with Devin Haney on this one. Reynoso gym is a PED factory.

defo got be susipcious when half their team has been caught......you'd assume the guys in the gym would be sharing 'nutrition' tips

Disgusting but totally predictable, wonder what that sh1t infested WBC will do, probably nothing whilst sending their condolences to the family of the 18 year old kid who lost her life yesterday

I don’t blame Too Rank in this, it’s up to the WBC to act. They’re the organisation that makes fights enrol with VADA to fight for the belts.

A guy gets popped and they remain silent whilst the commission goes with the WADA rules about the substance only being banned in competition.

Surely the WBC have to strip Valdez of the belt, like the WBO did with Billy Joe Saunders when he was meant to fight Andrade?

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 03:31 Disgusting but totally predictable, wonder what that sh1t infested WBC will do, probably nothing whilst sending their condolences to the family of the 18 year old kid who lost her life yesterday

wow.

what a fvcking sport we follow eh mate

Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission rules Oscar Valdez can proceed with his fight vs. Robson Conceicao next week, sources say

Oscar Valdez can proceed with his fight vs. Robson Conceicao on Sept. 10 in Tucson, Arizona, despite testing positive for the banned substance phentermine, the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission ruled Thursday, multiple sources tell ESPN.

Valdez is the WBC's 130-pound titleholder. WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman told ESPN the organization "will be making a public statement" when asked if Valdez would be allowed to retain his title in the scheduled Top Rank Boxing on ESPN+ main event.

Pascua Yaqui Trible Athletic commissioner Ernie Gallardo declined to explain why Valdez can proceed to fight when reached by ESPN. Sources said the commission opted to ignore the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association guidelines.

Valdez signed a VADA enrollment form, which lists phentermine as a banned substance. The WBC uses VADA to test all its ranked fighters and champions as part of its Clean Boxing Program. Top Rank also routinely enlists the testing agency for its title fights at the request of its top-level boxers, providing more comprehensive testing than the bare bones provided by most state commissions.

In this instance, Valdez requested VADA testing for himself and Conceicao.

The Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission only adhered to the World Anti-Doping Agency rules, despite the VADA enrollment forms signed by both fighters. WADA doesn't ban the central nervous stimulant outside of competition; its in-competition period begins at 11:59 p.m. the day before the fight.

Top Rank declined to comment when reached by ESPN. Valdez's manager, Frank Espinoza, didn't return a phone call. Conceicao's manager, Sergio Batarelli, said he would comment when he had the "details about the approval."

Valdez's A- and B-samples were collected on Aug. 13, per sources. Both tested positive for phentermine. The 30-year-old was notified of the A-sample result on Aug. 28. The B-sample result was returned on Sept. 2.

He was tested again on Aug. 30. That test result showed no phentermine in his system. The half-life of phentermine is roughly 20 hours. It takes five to six half-lives for the substance to be fully eliminated from the system (a maximum of six days). The Aug. 30 test was 17 days later.

"I personally have given athletes phentermine, I know what it does. It is very powerful. It is like methamphetamine," Victor Conte, the founder of BALCO, told ESPN. Conte served time in prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy to distribute performance-enhancing drugs before founding SNAC, a sports nutrition company.

"You know why it's a performance-enhancing drug? Because it's a central nervous stimulant," he added. "It accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer."

Valdez, a two-time Olympian from Mexico, "had no knowledge that he was taking phentermine" and believed the substance came from an herbal tea, his lawyer, Pat English, argued in a letter written on Tuesday.

"It's not an herbal tea, the molecular structure of phentermine is not an herbal tea," Conte said. "It's 'dog ate my homework' stuff. No promoter wants to lose money. This is not in contained supplements. This is designed to help you cut weight. It's an appetite suppressant which is what you're doing when you're cutting weight.

"It's a prescription-only medication. Does he have a doctor's prescription? Let's see it."

VADA reports adverse analytical findings; it does not adjudicate. However, there is precedent for VADA's rules leading to punishment. Billy Joe Saunders tested positive for the banned stimulant oxilofrine ahead of his scheduled title defense vs. Demetrius Andrade in 2018. The substance was deemed out of competition by WADA, yet Massachusetts recognized the VADA violation and suspended Saunders. The fight was cancelled as a result.

Valdez, ESPN's No. 1 junior lightweight, won the title with a spectacular one-punch knockout of Miguel Berchelt in February, the leading contender for KO of the Year. Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) was also a champion at 126 pounds.

He was defeated by Conceicao when they met in the gold medal match of the 2009 Pan American Games. Conceicao (16-0, 8 KOs) went on to win gold at the 2016 Olympic Games. The 32-year-old Brazilian is unranked by ESPN.

money are the root of all evil

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 04:02

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 03:31 Disgusting but totally predictable, wonder what that sh1t infested WBC will do, probably nothing whilst sending their condolences to the family of the 18 year old kid who lost her life yesterday

wow.

what a fvcking sport we follow eh mate

Deplorable mate, I'm thinking the less fcks we give the more we'll enjoy it

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 06:19

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 04:02

handsofstone wrote: ↑03 Sep 2021, 03:31 Disgusting but totally predictable, wonder what that sh1t infested WBC will do, probably nothing whilst sending their condolences to the family of the 18 year old kid who lost her life yesterday

wow.

what a fvcking sport we follow eh mate

Deplorable mate, I'm thinking the less fcks we give the more we'll enjoy it