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Brain damaged; ever since the day he was born
Drugs was what they used to say he was orn

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:43 . If you look at this video of Wilder before he became a champion in 2015 it seems like an entirely different person: listening, no ego, no jumping around and screaming, no hype men: just getting on with the job.

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

Skipping actual boxing sessions too probably or just putting fornicate all into them - Breland was at his wits end

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:43 . If you look at this video of Wilder before he became a champion in 2015 it seems like an entirely different person: listening, no ego, no jumping around and screaming, no hype men: just getting on with the job.

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

Well he's doing box squats there with pretty light weight, which tells me he either had terrible form that needed correcting or he has some sort of injury. Either way, it's an exercise to prepare you for doing proper squats if you don't have the strength or technique down to do them. I only ever see beginners or injured guys doing them.

Honestly he should just be concentrating on not letting Fury maul him. As soon as the big fella leans on his little licorice legs again he's going to struggle, even if he's started squatting. If you're going to get leaned on you need legs. A bench press won't help you there.

dookus wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:46 I wonder what odds Wilder quits early after taking a mauling, shouting about some made-up cheating, before disappearing forever

There'll be no surprise, if Wilder quits or dives. What for did he hire the professional diver as a coach then?

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 08:16

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:43 . If you look at this video of Wilder before he became a champion in 2015 it seems like an entirely different person: listening, no ego, no jumping around and screaming, no hype men: just getting on with the job.

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

Well he's doing box squats there with pretty light weight

yeah, but that was 2015 wasn't it?

since then, he's been mostly... skipping leg day

His legs are uniquely very poor indeed… he’s 6’7 with a well built upper physique but I honestly think he could make cruiser if he really wanted.
If you cut his legs off he could still make 14’4.

Fury only really has to turn his bodyweight into shots and Wilder will be off balance or over.

I said that before the first fight - it’s a mismatch if Fury moved forward and rotated his hips and weight into his right hands

dookus wrote: ↑29 Jun 2021, 16:59

Dioufy wrote: ↑29 Jun 2021, 10:16 Remember Carl Froch saying he could do 260kgs bench or something?

Surely not, that is insane for a guy who walks around at 85kg and is not a weightlifter

https://www.openpowerlifting.org/rankings/82.5/by-bench

It would be the world record by 10kgs in the 82.5kgs weight class. Therefore nonesense if he said that.

I think he does have mental issues, and in all seriousness, I'm slightly concerned he might pull a Chris Benoit after he loses again.

I've never seen someone take a loss as badly as he did and refuse to accept it. Plus him saying he wants to actually murder Fury. The guy is a nutter. I wouldn't be surprised at all if after he gets beat again he takes it out when he gets home.

Also, if I was Fury, I wouldn't go near him after the bell. I can see Wilder cheap shotting him like that other boxer did before.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:43 . If you look at this video of Wilder before he became a champion in 2015 it seems like an entirely different person: listening, no ego, no jumping around and screaming, no hype men: just getting on with the job.

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

ahhhh!

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 08:16

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 06:43 . If you look at this video of Wilder before he became a champion in 2015 it seems like an entirely different person: listening, no ego, no jumping around and screaming, no hype men: just getting on with the job.

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

Well he's doing box squats there with pretty light weight, which tells me he either had terrible form that needed correcting or he has some sort of injury. Either way, it's an exercise to prepare you for doing proper squats if you don't have the strength or technique down to do them. I only ever see beginners or injured guys doing them.

Honestly he should just be concentrating on not letting Fury maul him. As soon as the big fella leans on his little licorice legs again he's going to struggle, even if he's started squatting. If you're going to get leaned on you need legs. A bench press won't help you there.

Depends a lot on your coach doesn't it? The light weight I mean.
The data shows light to exhaustion is just as good as low reps and heavy.
But your right about possible injury because its a good way to get back into it after an injury.
The clip was a really nice normal Wilder, far from everything else I've seen.

How would you be able tell if he had brain damage?

jtourettes wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021, 04:27 How would you be able tell if he had brain damage?

According to Headway, one of the worst consequences of a head injury, particularly for the victim’s family members, is a personality change. This is different to a mood change, as moods are temporary, whereas a change in personality can often be more permanent.

Some of the most common behavioural and emotional problems people with traumatic brain injury include:

Verbal and physical outbursts

Impulsive behaviour

Negativity

Intolerance

Apathy

Lack of empathy

Egocentricity

Rigidity and inflexibility

Risky behaviour

Lack of motivation or initiative

Poor judgement and disinhibition

https://www.psychreg.org/head-injuries- ... rsonality/

Notice any of these things in Deontay Wilder? Compare the bloke in the video from 2015 to the one he posted recently.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 22:58

Cyclops wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 08:16

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑30 Jun 2021, 07:39

unfortunately he spent the time between 2015 and now....

skipping leg day

Well he's doing box squats there with pretty light weight, which tells me he either had terrible form that needed correcting or he has some sort of injury. Either way, it's an exercise to prepare you for doing proper squats if you don't have the strength or technique down to do them. I only ever see beginners or injured guys doing them.

Honestly he should just be concentrating on not letting Fury maul him. As soon as the big fella leans on his little licorice legs again he's going to struggle, even if he's started squatting. If you're going to get leaned on you need legs. A bench press won't help you there.

Depends a lot on your coach doesn't it? The light weight I mean.
The data shows light to exhaustion is just as good as low reps and heavy.
But your right about possible injury because its a good way to get back into it after an injury.
The clip was a really nice normal Wilder, far from everything else I've seen.

The main issue with going light is that it’s very hard to mentally gauge you’re efforts in relation to failure, plus it doesn’t build strength in the same way. And really boxers presumably want to be strong and not just have big muscles.

jtourettes wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021, 04:27 How would you be able tell if he had brain damage?

First of all it's necessary to acknowledge, that all boxers have brain damage. To receive punches to a head is their daily job, while every punch causes circulatory disorders of brain, hemorrhages and etc. Majorly such traumas aren't critical in a short time, unless there's a massive brain hemorrhage, but this phenomenon has a cumulative effect and visible deviations come to the surface with age in dementia pugilistica, which is commonly known as being "punch drunk". However, Wilder's behavior drastically changed after receiving a severe beating in the second Fury bout, which makes a suggestion, that The Big Dosser has already suffered substantial brain damage in his 30s.

It could be behavioural rather than physical trauma.

He didn’t take the loss well and everything after that point would suggest it’s psychological, given his very outward shows and public outbursts.

Contrast that with say, late career Jermaine Taylor or meldrick Taylor and it’s quite clear that it’s very different behaviour.

When you think punchy or punch drunk you think garbled speech patterns like James Toney or Bobby chacon. Or marked physical deterioration like Ali or roach.

agreed, it seems to me a switch has gone on/off, his insecurities have been exposed/exacerbated, and he's projecting (or at least trying to project) at an absolutely furious rate by way of compensation. It's one of those weird paradoxes where the bloke doing all the talking pretty clearly doesn't know that the more he says and the louder he says it, the less credible he becomes... i suppose that is what gives it the cringe quality.

orbtastic wrote: ↑01 Jul 2021, 05:08 It could be behavioural rather than physical trauma.

He didn’t take the loss well and everything after that point would suggest it’s psychological, given his very outward shows and public outbursts.

Contrast that with say, late career Jermaine Taylor or meldrick Taylor and it’s quite clear that it’s very different behaviour.

When you think punchy or punch drunk you think garbled speech patterns like James Toney or Bobby chacon. Or marked physical deterioration like Ali or roach.

It's much, much easier for my conscience watching the sport to come to the conclusion that he was just a massive dickhead all along and the subsequent money and long knockout streak massaged his enormous ego into thinking he was some kind of superhero and he has been psychologically absolutely destroyed by his embarrassing loss.

A lot of this stuff was there before Fury anyway: the Eyes Wide Shut Illumanti consumes, the grandiosity, his inability to form a proper sentence, the "I'm part human and part hybrid" line, punching mascots, strangling strippers, booooommmmb sqqquuuuad, the way he just stood square in front of a fat, out on his feet Stiverne with his hands down before knocking him out and then throwing the ref around the ring when he pulled him off, saying he wanted to catch a body multiple times, actually bringing Charlie Zelenof, a 5'9" former lightweight who has never beaten anybody and is clearly mentally ill, to his gym to beat him up, on camera... None of this is indicative of an intelligent, nice, well rounded individual.

Can you imagine working out in the same gym as him? If you didn't know who he was and him and his mates were jumping around and screaming and making train noises? "fornicating hell I hate that group of lads with the big loud geezer. They only ever do chest and arms, don't they? Thank God they're gone!"

dookus wrote: ↑29 Jun 2021, 16:59

Dioufy wrote: ↑29 Jun 2021, 10:16 Remember Carl Froch saying he could do 260kgs bench or something?

Surely not, that is insane for a guy who walks around at 85kg and is not a weightlifter

Yes I agree. I do bench press myself and no that’s not happening… but I’m certain he was on comms on a show and he said he could…. I even think someone like Darren Barker called him out on it right away.
I may be mistaken tho.

if he claimed that it suggests he knows very little about the topic , as someone who did know their stuff surely wouldnt come up with such an obvious porky

It’s not like Froch tho to talk absolute bollocks, is it.

Found it.

Wilder thought he could initimdate Fury with that very long staredown but Fury was having none of it, staring right back of him until Wilder backed off. Wilder every day must be having nightmares about Fury, to this day.

All professional boxers have brain damage, it’s probably a matter of degrees and luck as to what’s impaired and what’s not.