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Let's be honest about Joe Joyce. He's what, 36 now? His trainer said 2 or 3 years ago he wasn't ready for a 40 yr old Luis Ortiz. In my honest opinion, he is big, strong, but not incredibly skilled. He has no business fighting for a belt. Maybe he could fight Whyte or Ruiz, to see if he is ready for Ortiz...if he beats him then get a title shot.

3 years ago he'd been a pro for 2 fights ffs, why not go an extra step and start calling out the 2021 olympians for ducking ortiz before theyve even turned pro

how sore must your jaw be with the obsessive, never ending deepthroating of lou ortiz? does he pay you to be his online slut or something lol

1:00 PM - promising amateur heavyweight turns pro

1:05 PM - THEY DUCKING LUIS ORTIZ!!

Bandog wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 20:33 Let's be honest about Joe Joyce. He's what, 36 now? His trainer said 2 or 3 years ago he wasn't ready for a 40 yr old Luis Ortiz. In my honest opinion, he is big, strong, but not incredibly skilled. He has no business fighting for a belt. Maybe he could fight Whyte or Ruiz, to see if he is ready for Ortiz...if he beats him then get a title shot.

He has better pro wins than ortiz

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 15:50 chiz would be a good opponent for joyce next, would much rather see that than parker again

Joyce will beat the every living hell out of chisora it wont be remotely competitive

that would be a good result considering that chis has given almost every non elite hw he's faced a fight, could easily have wins over whyte and parker, and obviously was robbed vs helenius

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 21:23 that would be a good result considering that chis has given almost every non elite hw he's faced a fight, could easily have wins over whyte and parker, and obviously was robbed vs helenius

Its a style clash that is very bad for chisora. Chiz can outwork guys and grind but not joyce. Plus hes wide open and can fight going back. It is a slaughter

only haye blew out chisora, years ago. if joyce does it, 1 fight after many had chiz beating parker, he'll make a statement, even if del has taken his share of losses

chisora has ko'd takam too , so it would make sense as a bit of a step up from his last one. outside wilder, fury, aj, there are very few guys in the division who are much better than chis, dont think it's bad at all

realistically, cant see it being any better than parker-chisora type of level. what about michael hunter or charles martin?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 21:31 only haye blew out chisora, years ago. if joyce does it, 1 fight after many had chiz beating parker, he'll make a statement, even if del has taken his share of losses

chisora has ko'd takam too , so it would make sense as a bit of a step up from his last one. outside wilder, fury, aj, there are very few guys in the division who are much better than chis, dont think it's bad at all

realistically, cant see it being any better than parker-chisora type of level. what about michael hunter or charles martin?

Chisora fighting Parker next isn’t he?

I think they’ll give Joyce another “firm but fair” contest (like Takam was) in the hope of AJ winning and lining him up against Usyk

Povetkin or Pulev would be good too.

not sure, ive seen that that's being worked on but not done, and that joyce is also a possibility

pulev i can see and his name would look solid on the record. his last fight he lasted 9 vs aj so not like he's been a quick easy pushover. but povetkin just looked so terrible last time. absolutely no legs at all and i would legit fear for his health vs joe. dont think his 2 covid hospitalizations helped him any and he did announce his retirement

Couple of real risk v reward fights out there

Ortiz pulev chisora Otto wallin a left field option

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 20:45 1:00 PM - promising amateur heavyweight turns pro

1:05 PM - THEY DUCKING LUIS ORTIZ!!

Surely Chisora vs joyce is a bigger fight than chisora vs parker II... Plus it has the WBO mando cherry on top... Chisora will likely price himself out, but fornicate it makes sense. Another loss for Chis is no biggy, and a win over Joyce would be his best win to date.

I'm starting to think I'd rather see Joyce-Parker. I think Chisora beat him but the officials didn't, and Parker doesn't need to rematch Dereck. I like Del, but his endless recycling ( he's the loser's loser now) doesn't necessarily make him the man to get through anymore.

Would Parker sell any more than Takam, though? Probably not.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 21:31 What about michael hunter or charles martin?

Hunter brings less name recognition than Takam and Martin is widely regarded as a joke and both think they're worth fortunes.

Personally I think Martin would be fun.

I would like to see Joyce against Hrgović or Hunter.

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 21:31 What about michael hunter or charles martin?

Hunter brings less name recognition than Takam and Martin is widely regarded as a joke and both think they're worth fortunes.

Personally I think Martin would be fun.

Martin's looking quite good in training and is clearly taking this seriously as he's splashed out on a new punchball from the Argos summer sale.

Whyte should just shut him up.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/9164 ... ny-joshua/

The Gratest wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:33

Cyclops wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 06:04

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑26 Jul 2021, 21:31 What about michael hunter or charles martin?

Hunter brings less name recognition than Takam and Martin is widely regarded as a joke and both think they're worth fortunes.

Personally I think Martin would be fun.

Martin's looking quite good in training and is clearly taking this seriously as he's splashed out on a new punchball from the Argos summer sale.

Whyte should just shut him up.

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/9164 ... ny-joshua/

I thought Whyte was after Arreola?

EDIT: Just watched the video. Is this the worst era of US heavyweights ever?

Excellent jab but gets hit a lot. JJ is similar to Foreman, but with a bit less power.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑27 Jul 2021, 11:45 Excellent jab but gets hit a lot. JJ is similar to Foreman, but with a bit less power.

The similarities between Joyce and Foreman are that:

• They both towered over their opponents
• They’re both upright
• They both move around the ring in an unorthodox awkward manner
• They both have great engines
• Both have granite chins
• The older iteration of ‘Big’ George was a bit like Joyce, in that he was willing to take shots in order to land his own

But that’s where the similarities end.

On a pound-for-pound basis, George Foreman was a much bigger puncher than Joe. He also had a stronger ramrod jab.

Big George’s defensive skills were also far superior than Joe’s. He used a long -guard position to control the distance (keeping his opponents’ at arms length) and was great at closing the punching lanes and also parrying blows.

And if you watch the Frazier bout, he kept smoking Joe at bay by placing his gloves on his opponents shoulder and then kept pivoting to the side, which resulted in his smaller opponent being off-balance.

Every time Joe threw a straight right hand, George remained light on his toes and did a side-step counter, whereas the old George was more flat-footed and used the cross-guard.

Joe Joyce does neither of those things.

Foreman also had a better punch variety than Joyce does, especially in regards to throwing the uppercut against smaller opposition.

The only thing I will say is that Joe Joyce has a surprisingly high-work-rate, better than Foreman's.

And even though the Brit is not a big puncher, the relentless and seemingly endless barrage of fairly light blows usually take their toll (a bit like how dripping water is capable of wearing away stone).

Joe Joyce has Homer Simpson durability. He also forces his opponents to keep working at an uncomfortable pace, by keeping himself in punching range throwing shots.

'fairly light blows'

JJ is Not a light puncher. I did say JJ was similar to GF. I did Not say he was as good, just a similar style.

EO lists 6 things and then writes, "that's where the similarities end." GF had a good chin, but if it was granite he would have taken Lyle's shots better.

Realistically joyce isnt fighting anyone who can beat him until a title shot

Id like to see him in with a parker or hunter. See how he does with a little speed and skills

"Example - how was Takam stopped on Saturday but Lacy wasn’t against Calzaghe . Takam hadnt suffered a sustained beating. He basically was having a bad minute or two. Would he have survived, well never know.
Lacy got leathered from pillar to post for 36 minutes.

Where is the consistency?

There isnt any."


There never has been in boxing - different commissions, different referees, different judges etc.

However we shouldn't forget that Lacey was never defenceless or that Calzaghe was not a known big puncher at that stage of his wonderful career.

It's quite another thing to ship punishment without retaliation from a guy the size of Joe Joyce.

We'll never know for sure but it's difficult to imagine that Takam could have turned that fight around from that point.

Besides, I don't think either we or Carlos himself needed to see another ending like the ones Povetkin and Chisora handed out to him a few years back.

Joyce seem to control most of the action in the opening round as he boxed behind the jab, but Takam was always a threat with his right hand and did catch him with a couple of shots that got Joyce's attention though.
Takam again caught Joyce with a number of right hands and the occasional body shot during the 2nd and looked to have taken that round.
Jab and the right hand during the 3rd started to make Joyce look one dimensional.
Takam once again made it easy to score with the overhand right as he's done time and again, however Joyce did land a solid shot at the bell to stun Takam it has to be said.
For the first time in the 4th I started to notice Joyce paying a bit more attention to his body attack on Takam, however the ease at which Takam lands that overhand right on Joyce is concerning.
Joyce started to take control of the fight in the 5th as he peppered away with his jab catching Takam quite regularly, Takam was showing signs of tiredness and his punches landed appeared to have taken a nose dive.
Considering a few rounds ago Joyce looked one dimensional he's since landed some decent body shots and opened the 6th round with a great left hook which stunned Takam eventually leading to the stoppage.

The takeaway from all this ...
Takam was game and landed right hands throughout the fight as he found Joyce's chin easy to find, there's certainly questions surrounding Joyce's defence that's for sure.
The stoppage, yeah I'd have probably stopped it too as Carlos was just taking way to many unanswered shots without a reply, Joyce is 260 + pound fighter so what are you supposed to do as a referee watching that, he had to.
Joyce is a bit slow but he seems to have one attribute that did stand out and that was his chin, he got caught over and over again and didn't so much as wobble, I was quite impressed with his ability to take a solid shot.