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Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 07:44
by oogiebe
So much for appreciating Manny.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 07:50
by The Gratest
Shit, I forgot, got sidetracked.
I greatly appreciate Manny Pac for all the wonderful entertaining fights he's put on throughout his lengthy career. Especially those where he threw himself in against larger, world class opponents who campaigned in higher weight classes. A marvelous mixture of speed, power, movement, skills and thrills.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 08:08
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Wasnt chris algieri 140 pound champ moving up i. Weight? Was there a rehydration vlause or something?
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 08:11
by Counter-puncher
'beard put it best
Pacquiao was a huge net benefit to the sport. He greatly increased the popularity of boxing in the Phillipines, and as years go by I suspect that legacy will become more pronounced. He fought several ATG fights against ATG's at or near peak. And he fought like fck whenever he needed to.
He definitely made my life as a boxing fan much better. I'd say that for the Marquez fights alone
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 08:23
by The Gratest
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 08:08
Wasnt chris algieri 140 pound champ moving up i. Weight? Was there a rehydration vlause or something?
Yeah. There's a video out there somewhere of Algieri's manager confirming it saying "Crikey! Fvcked if I know mate!".
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 08:53
by Jeff_lacy_ko
The point of criticism for catchweights is the is disadvantages the b side
Pointing out algieri and marquez is disingenuous
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 09:18
by The Gratest
I know Jeff, but good luck disappearing down that rabbit hole!
Although he's already had his butt smacked today so we all might be spared some more irrefutable crap.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 09:22
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 08:53
The point of criticism for catchweights is the is disadvantages the b side
Pointing out algieri and marquez is disingenuous
There were contractual weight-related stipulations that Pacquiao's team specifically requested for both fighters.
Chris Algieri was the WBO super-lightweight champion when he fought Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs in 2014, he had to face a Hall-of-Famer that had competed at welterweight for six years.
Whenever Algieri had previously engaged in bouts officially weighing around the 143lbs mark, which was infrequently, he was only facing fellow super lightweights that had gained a few pounds.
Juan Manuel Marquez faced Manny Pacquiao at welterweight for their third bout, when he’ previously campaigned at 134lbs and 138lbs for his two immediately preceding outings.
In terms of the fourth fight, Juan Manuel Marquez captured the interim WBO super-lightweight title immediately prior to facing Pacquiao at welterweight.
The point is, at least ten of Pacquiao's bouts, which relates to roughly 30% of his fights since 2006, had contractual weight stipulations that was demanded by the Filipino's own team.
As marvellous as Manny Pacquiao was... and believe me, I am a huge fan of his, none of us are entitled to become revisionist historians and dishonestly pretend that the Filipino's career isn't tainted with weight-related stipulations, coupled with him regularly refusing to undergo PED testing.
Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 09:33
by The Gratest
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 09:39
by ironbeard
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:22
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 08:53
The point of criticism for catchweights is the is disadvantages the b side
Pointing out algieri and marquez is disingenuous
There were contractual weight-related stipulations that Pacquiao's team specifically requested for both fighters.
Chris Algieri was the WBO super-lightweight champion when he fought Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs in 2014, he had to face a Hall-of-Famer that had competed at welterweight for six years.
Whenever Algieri had previously engaged in bouts officially weighing around the 143lbs mark, which was infrequently, he was only facing fellow super lightweights that had gained a few pounds.
Juan Manuel Marquez faced Manny Pacquiao at welterweight for their third bout, when he’ previously campaigned at 134lbs and 138lbs for his two immediately preceding outings.
In terms of the fourth fight, Juan Manuel Marquez captured the interim WBO super-lightweight title immediately prior to facing Pacquiao at welterweight.
The point is, at least ten of Pacquiao's bouts, which relates to roughly 30% of his fights since 2006, had contractual weight stipulations that was demanded by the Filipino's own team.
As marvellous as Manny Pacquiao was... and believe me, I am a huge fan of his, none of us are entitled to become revisionist historians and dishonestly pretend that the Filipino's career isn't tainted with weight-related stipulations, coupled with him regularly refusing to undergo PED testing.
Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.
Nobody gives a fornicate what you think at this point in the thread, you classless incorrigible nincompoop.
Manny was a MASSIVE, incomparable net positive on 21st century boxing. You, otoh, and your cracked vinyl record posts, are a MASSIVE net negative on this forum, only challenged in that regard by puncheeto, at this time.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 09:58
by Enlightened-One
ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:39
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:22
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 08:53
The point of criticism for catchweights is the is disadvantages the b side
Pointing out algieri and marquez is disingenuous
There were contractual weight-related stipulations that Pacquiao's team specifically requested for both fighters.
Chris Algieri was the WBO super-lightweight champion when he fought Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs in 2014, he had to face a Hall-of-Famer that had competed at welterweight for six years.
Whenever Algieri had previously engaged in bouts officially weighing around the 143lbs mark, which was infrequently, he was only facing fellow super lightweights that had gained a few pounds.
Juan Manuel Marquez faced Manny Pacquiao at welterweight for their third bout, when he’ previously campaigned at 134lbs and 138lbs for his two immediately preceding outings.
In terms of the fourth fight, Juan Manuel Marquez captured the interim WBO super-lightweight title immediately prior to facing Pacquiao at welterweight.
The point is, at least ten of Pacquiao's bouts, which relates to roughly 30% of his fights since 2006, had contractual weight stipulations that was demanded by the Filipino's own team.
As marvellous as Manny Pacquiao was... and believe me, I am a huge fan of his, none of us are entitled to become revisionist historians and dishonestly pretend that the Filipino's career isn't tainted with weight-related stipulations, coupled with him regularly refusing to undergo PED testing.
Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.
Nobody gives a fornicate what you think at this point in the thread, you classless incorrigible nincompoop.
Manny was a MASSIVE, incomparable net positive on 21st century boxing. You, otoh, and your cracked vinyl record posts, are a MASSIVE net negative on this forum, only challenged in that regard by puncheeto, at this time.
Here's what you recently wrote:Here's what you recently wrote:
ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021, 22:10I have no problem with catchweight fights unless they are for championships.
And yet you choose to give Pacquiao a free pass for ensuring at least ten of his bouts since 2006 included contractual weight-related stipulations?
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 10:04
by ironbeard
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:58
ironbeard wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:39
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:22
There were contractual weight-related stipulations that Pacquiao's team specifically requested for both fighters.
Chris Algieri was the WBO super-lightweight champion when he fought Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs in 2014, he had to face a Hall-of-Famer that had competed at welterweight for six years.
Whenever Algieri had previously engaged in bouts officially weighing around the 143lbs mark, which was infrequently, he was only facing fellow super lightweights that had gained a few pounds.
Juan Manuel Marquez faced Manny Pacquiao at welterweight for their third bout, when he’ previously campaigned at 134lbs and 138lbs for his two immediately preceding outings.
In terms of the fourth fight, Juan Manuel Marquez captured the interim WBO super-lightweight title immediately prior to facing Pacquiao at welterweight.
The point is, at least ten of Pacquiao's bouts, which relates to roughly 30% of his fights since 2006, had contractual weight stipulations that was demanded by the Filipino's own team.
As marvellous as Manny Pacquiao was... and believe me, I am a huge fan of his, none of us are entitled to become revisionist historians and dishonestly pretend that the Filipino's career isn't tainted with weight-related stipulations, coupled with him regularly refusing to undergo PED testing.
Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.
Nobody gives a fornicate what you think at this point in the thread, you classless incorrigible nincompoop.
Manny was a MASSIVE, incomparable net positive on 21st century boxing. You, otoh, and your cracked vinyl record posts, are a MASSIVE net negative on this forum, only challenged in that regard by puncheeto, at this time.
Here's what you recently wrote:Here's what you recently wrote:
ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021, 22:10I have no problem with catchweight fights unless they are for championships.
And yet you choose to give Pacquiao a free pass for ensuring at least ten of his bouts since 2006 included contractual weight-related stipulations?
…and it continues, you classless goose dropping.
This is not the thread for it. You literally have 0 self awareness.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 10:07
by The Gratest
"Here's what you recently wrote:Here's what you recently wrote:"
Jesus
what a child.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 10:19
by Counter-puncher
"Here's what you recently wrote:Here's what you recently wrote:"
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 10:55
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 09:22
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 08:53
The point of criticism for catchweights is the is disadvantages the b side
Pointing out algieri and marquez is disingenuous
There were contractual weight-related stipulations that Pacquiao's team specifically requested for both fighters.
Chris Algieri was the WBO super-lightweight champion when he fought Manny Pacquiao at 147lbs in 2014, he had to face a Hall-of-Famer that had competed at welterweight for six years.
Whenever Algieri had previously engaged in bouts officially weighing around the 143lbs mark, which was infrequently, he was only facing fellow super lightweights that had gained a few pounds.
Juan Manuel Marquez faced Manny Pacquiao at welterweight for their third bout, when he’ previously campaigned at 134lbs and 138lbs for his two immediately preceding outings.
In terms of the fourth fight, Juan Manuel Marquez captured the interim WBO super-lightweight title immediately prior to facing Pacquiao at welterweight.
The point is, at least ten of Pacquiao's bouts, which relates to roughly 30% of his fights since 2006, had contractual weight stipulations that was demanded by the Filipino's own team.
As marvellous as Manny Pacquiao was... and believe me, I am a huge fan of his, none of us are entitled to become revisionist historians and dishonestly pretend that the Filipino's career isn't tainted with weight-related stipulations, coupled with him regularly refusing to undergo PED testing.
Chris Alieri, Miguel Cotto, Antonio Margarito, Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Eric Morales, Shane Mosley, Timothy Bradley and Brandon Rios.
Algieri v pacman was at a contracted weight of 144 pounds. Chris had just fought at 140
You are using half truths like you always do. When you get called out like you always do you just double down
Why are you like this?
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:04
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Canelo catchweights and rehydration clauses
Danny jacobs
Lara
Kirkland
Angulo
Cotto
Khan
Kovalev
Fielding
Chavez jr
Mayweather had a lot of rehydration clauses but had an nda signed so they wouldnt be reported on. Well known maidana blew off rehydration clause in his first mayweather fight and paid a fine
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:08
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 10:55Algieri v pacman was at a contracted weight of 144 pounds. Chris had just fought at 140
Agreed. Algieri had never previously faced a legit 147lb-er when he fought Pacquiao. The Filipino requested a catchweight.
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 10:55
You are using half truths like you always do. When you get called out like you always do you just double down
Why are you like this?
Where's the half-truth? If you quoted some of my alleged half-truths verbatim, we could at least discuss them?
People are pretending Pacquiao hasn't included weight-related stipulations in at least ten of his bouts.
Yet the same individuals, such as Ironbeard, criticise other fighters for doing the same thing.
Am I being criticised for not applying double-standards?
I am more than willing to revise my opinion, if someone can honestly explain the reason why Pacquiao deserves to be given a free pass for engaging in so many bouts involving weight-related stipulations.
Unfortunately, no one can, hence the reason for them attacking the arguer (via ad hominem attacks) rather than their argument.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:12
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 11:04
Canelo catchweights and rehydration clauses
Danny jacobs
Lara
Kirkland
Angulo
Cotto
Khan
Kovalev
Fielding
Chavez jr
Mayweather had a lot of rehydration clauses but had an nda signed so they wouldnt be reported on. Well known maidana blew off rehydration clause in his first mayweather fight and paid a fine
Before I breakdown some of your claims...
Let's just assume, for the sake of argument, that everything you wrote is 100% true... I'm not even going to read all the names you've listed, we'll just trust them as-is, regardless as to whether they're true or not.
Is it reasonable for me to claim you've criticised other fighters for implementing weight-related stipulations in their fight contracts, but yet you've chosen to constantly give Pacquiao a free pass?
That's the elephant in the room that is compelling others to attack me so aggressively.
I've quoted their words criticising other fighters for doing the very same things they've applauded Pacquiao of doing.
Criticising those that choose to apply double-standards is more about the hypocrite, rather than the target of their adoration.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:15
by The Gratest
You're not getting attacked, you're just getting reminded and informed once again that you're a complete and utter nimrod with zero self awareness.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:25
by Enlightened-One
The Gratest wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 11:15
You're not getting attacked, you're just getting reminded and informed once again that you're a complete and utter nimrod with zero self awareness.
Another ad hominem attack.
OK, let's try to find some middle-gound, shall we?
Can you prove you've criticised Manny Pacquiao for including weight-related stipulations in his fight contracts?
Can you honestly say you've never criticised other fighters for including weight-related stipulations in their fight contracts?
Two simple questions.
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:32
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Catchweighs and rehydration clauses suck in general. Same with dictating gloves (mayweather v maidana)
When they dont actually hamper anyone you shouldnt use that to justify your argument. That is what makes it disingenuous
You hate Pacquiao. You love canelo,pbc,Mayweather and canelo and hughie fury. Its why you will bring up unpaid taxes when talking about manny but not wife beating when talking about mayweather.
Its Why you accuse pacman of roids but never bring up hughie furys drug scandal or floyda tue and defend canelo against his actual failed test.
Re: ANOTHER RUINED thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:33
by oogiebe
Re: Pacman Appreciation thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:37
by Enlightened-One
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 11:32
Catchweighs and rehydration clauses suck in general. Same with dictating gloves (mayweather v maidana)
When they dont actually hamper anyone you shouldnt use that to justify your argument. That is what makes it disingenuous
You hate Pacquiao... blah, blah, blahhhh....
Have you ever criticised Manny Pacquiao for including weight-related stipulations in his fight contracts? If so, can you prove it?
Do you honestly believe that Pacquiao’s weight-related stipulations have never weakened any of his opponents?
Have you ever criticised other fighters for including weight-related stipulations in their fight contracts?
Have you ever given other fighters, not named Pacquiao, free passes for including weight-related stipulations in their fight contracts?
Surely you can see the point I’m making? These questions should be easy to answer. All you have to do is be honest.
Re: ANOTHER RUINED thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:41
by Ruthless-RKO
May as well just ask the mods to delete it..
Re: ANOTHER RUINED thread
Posted: 24 Aug 2021, 11:50
by oogiebe
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Aug 2021, 11:41
May as well just ask the mods to delete it..
Yup, too bad. It's usually a great thread of memories when a beloved legend reaches the end.
