Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

Who wins?

Fury - Decision
15
33%
Fury - T/KO
25
56%
Draw
0
No votes
Whyte - T/KO
1
2%
Whyte - Decision
1
2%
Don't care!
3
7%
 
Total votes: 45

margaret thatcher
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

Post by margaret thatcher »

it comes down to fury, if he wants to win that easy he can, if he half arses it he could have some tough spots. but either way i cant see him losing, he's much better than whyte, in pretty much every way
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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 06:30 it comes down to fury, if he wants to win that easy he can, if he half arses it he could have some tough spots. but either way i cant see him losing, he's much better than whyte, in pretty much every way
Fury should make adjustments after the recent fight. Hardly he'll come out in such shape again. Overall, yes, Whyte is worse in everything, he's smaller, slower, less-dimensional, less masterful, durable and resistent to punches. Maybe he has more raw power in his punch, but that obviously won't be enough.
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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I’ve always believed that Dillian Whyte is a better fighter than Deontay Wilder.

The American has the big right hand and is very brave, but that’s just about it.

Dillian Whyte is an immensely strong man that has a very good engine. He’s also a decent puncher, durable and is fundamentally sound. He's very experienced and is accustomed to facing top-tier world-rated opposition.

The Brit isn’t going to run out-of-gas from the fifth round onwards.

If Tyson Fury adopts the same sort of strategy and still possesses the majestic skills we witnessed during the first Wilder bout, then ‘The Gypsy King’ should score a straightforward comfortable decision victory over Whyte.

However, the sloppy and aggressive forward moving version of Fury that fought last weekend, the one lacking head movement, the jab and feints, would endure a mammoth struggle against Whyte.

I’d still slightly favour Fury to beat Whyte if he fought the way he did in the third Wilder bout, but he would be needlessly giving Dillian a huge opportunity to score an upset.

I also feel that Fury needs to drop 20lbs to optimise his engine and general movement.

The problem is… Fury probably won’t compete again for another six months or so. And by that time, he would have only engaged in two bouts against the same opponent within a 31-month period. He seemed rather rusty last weekend.

Is Tyson able to fight the way he did three years ago? He hasn’t needed to “box” for a very long time. And the Wilder trilogy added a lot of extra miles on the clock.

If he’s capable of rewinding the clock back to December 2018, then he’ll no problem beating Whyte, but if he can’t… Fury will struggle to defeat Dillian – it’ll be epic bout where either man can win.
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Enlightened-One wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 06:50 I’ve always believed that Dillian Whyte is a better fighter than Deontay Wilder.

The American has the big right hand and is very brave, but that’s just about it.

Dillian Whyte is an immensely strong man that has a very good engine. He’s also a decent puncher, durable and is fundamentally sound. He's very experienced and is accustomed to facing top-tier world-rated opposition.

The Brit isn’t going to run out-of-gas from the fifth round onwards.

If Tyson Fury adopts the same sort of strategy and still possesses the majestic skills we witnessed during the first Wilder bout, then ‘The Gypsy King’ should score a straightforward comfortable decision victory over Whyte.

However, the sloppy and aggressive forward moving version of Fury that fought last weekend, the one lacking head movement, the jab and feints, would endure a mammoth struggle against Whyte.

I’d still slightly favour Fury to beat Whyte if he fought the way he did in the third Wilder bout, but he would be needlessly giving Dillian a huge opportunity to score an upset.

I also feel that Fury needs to drop 20lbs to optimise his engine and general movement.

The problem is… Fury probably won’t compete again for another six months or so. And by that time, he would have only engaged in two bouts against the same opponent within a 31-month period. He seemed rather rusty last weekend.

Is Tyson able to fight the way he did three years ago? He hasn’t needed to “box” for a very long time. And the Wilder trilogy added a lot of extra miles on the clock.

If he’s capable of rewinding the clock back to December 2018, then he’ll no problem beating Whyte, but if he can’t… Fury will struggle to defeat Dillian – it’ll be epic bout where either man can win.
I agree. For me it comes down to styles making fights. If anyone in the division is going to be able to diminish Fury's size and skill advantage, for me it's Whyte. If he is able to make it a rough and ugly fight using his physical strength and heavy body shots then he could make Fury very uncomfortable. I'm not saying he will, it's just that I believe that his style can ask a question that other top guys won't be able to ask with theirs.
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Whyte can be a better fighter than Wilder, but he's also a more vulnerable one for sure.
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whyte has a more diverse output and better skills than wilder, but he doesnt posses the same type of 'could be right around the corner' threat that wilder does , and i think his chin is worse than wilders.

mistakes against whyte wont be as costly as they are vs wilder, and i think whytes not as dangerous to actually win. but its possible that fury gets a more consistent challenge round to round from whyte, rather than the whole 'nothing for a bunch of rounds, then big knockdowns' stuff that wilder does
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but i do think whyte-fury is the best that can happen without aj or usyk, and the build up should be funny
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The Gypsy King gave a clarification on his next opponent:

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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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tyson's such a sexy beast :yay:
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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Fury would do to Whyte what he did to Wilder.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:19 whyte has a more diverse output and better skills than wilder, but he doesnt posses the same type of 'could be right around the corner' threat that wilder does , and i think his chin is worse than wilders.
Tyson Fury said that “you can’t go swimming and not get wet!”

Dillian Whyte doesn’t just occasionally dip his toe in the swimming pool – he’s constantly swimming all the oceans, chasing the biggest baddest sharks!

So if we’ve seen Dillian hurt (“getting wet”), it’s because he’s constantly facing top notch opposition.

Let’s look at Dillian’s resume since October 2017:

• Otto Wallin (next opponent)
• Alexander Povetkin (twice)
• Joseph Parker
• Dereck Chisora
• Oscar Rivas
• Robert Helenius
• Mariusz Wach
• Lucas Browne (unbeaten world-rated iteration)

And then compare this to Wilder’s over the same timeframe:

• Tyson Fury (three times)
• Luis Ortiz (twice)
• Dominic Breazeale
• Bermane Stiverne

And finally Fury’s:

• Deontay Wilder (three times)
• Otto Wallin
• Tom Schwarz
• Francesco Pianeta
• Sefer Seferi

Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and several other marquee names have rejected opportunities to face Dillian Whyte.

So I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Whyte’s chin. I suspect it’s actually better than Wilder’s.
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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:19 whyte has a more diverse output and better skills than wilder, but he doesnt posses the same type of 'could be right around the corner' threat that wilder does , and i think his chin is worse than wilders.

mistakes against whyte wont be as costly as they are vs wilder, and i think whytes not as dangerous to actually win. but its possible that fury gets a more consistent challenge round to round from whyte, rather than the whole 'nothing for a bunch of rounds, then big knockdowns' stuff that wilder does
I'd expect Tyson to deal with Whyte pretty easy.

Whyte's ok, but he doesn't do anything particularly exceptionally, his footwork is pretty leaden, he's not that quick, he doesn't have great handspeed or combinations, and his power is so-so. He's also been flattened by Povetkin and seems a bit punchy these days when tagged.
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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Whyte is certainly the most deserving of the contenders to get a title shot, but as much as I like the man it is clear that he is a level or two below the likes of Tyson Fury. The only way he makes the fight interesting is if Fury is complacent and can't get motivated for it.

Which I must admit is a good possibility, but if he struggled with an older, slower Chisora and almost got clipped by Joseph Parker, and got knocked out by Povetkin who was well over 40 years old--- I can't see him rising to the occasion to present too many problems to Fury let alone beating him.

It would be pretty good press conferences though. A lot of pre-fight entertainment for sure.
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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Enlightened-One wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 11:04
margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:19 whyte has a more diverse output and better skills than wilder, but he doesnt posses the same type of 'could be right around the corner' threat that wilder does , and i think his chin is worse than wilders.
Tyson Fury said that “you can’t go swimming and not get wet!”

Dillian Whyte doesn’t just occasionally dip his toe in the swimming pool – he’s constantly swimming all the oceans, chasing the biggest baddest sharks!

So if we’ve seen Dillian hurt (“getting wet”), it’s because he’s constantly facing top notch opposition.

Let’s look at Dillian’s resume since October 2017:

• Otto Wallin (next opponent)
• Alexander Povetkin (twice)
• Joseph Parker
• Dereck Chisora
• Oscar Rivas
• Robert Helenius
• Mariusz Wach
• Lucas Browne (unbeaten world-rated iteration)

And then compare this to Wilder’s over the same timeframe:

• Tyson Fury (three times)
• Luis Ortiz (twice)
• Dominic Breazeale
• Bermane Stiverne

And finally Fury’s:

• Deontay Wilder (three times)
• Otto Wallin
• Tom Schwarz
• Francesco Pianeta
• Sefer Seferi

Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder and several other marquee names have rejected opportunities to face Dillian Whyte.

So I don’t think there’s anything wrong with Whyte’s chin. I suspect it’s actually better than Wilder’s.
I will take Tyson Fury's resume here of the 3 all day every day for centuries on end. 6-0-1 with 7 Lineal HW Title defenses while stopping the reign of a long term HW champion.

Whyte is 7-1 in the interim and below realm for resume.

Wilder is 4-2-1 with every fight at the highest level of championship.

Anybody picking a resume other than Fury's out of there would only be choosing to be a loser. :shame:
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Re: Tyson Fury given all-clear to fight Dillian Whyte if he overcomes Deontay Wilder!

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Fṛḁռk Wḁṛṛȅռ says that Tyson Fury’s next bout will definitely be staged in the UK.

I’m guessing he’s hoping Dillian Whyte beats Otto Wallin, because British fans definitely won’t have any interest in seeing Fury engage in a rematch against the Swedish southpaw!

Fury lost tens of millions of dollars when Usyk upset Joshua. He’ll lose several more tens of millions if Wallin upsets Whyte.
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I think it would be a good fight. Whyte is more than capable of the upset. Big puncher with a lot of heart. Fury will likely lean and wear him down though late on. I am siding with a competitive fight where Fury grinds him down and gets the stoppage around the 10th. Fury is just to big and strong for Whyte.
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