Nobody beats Tyson Fury today

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I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

I don't see any basis for Usyk stopping Wilder and I could see Wilder possibly catching Usyk if Usyk doesn't simply outbox Wilder.

Usyk struggled with Chisora's pressure taking him the distance and Fury beat up and stopped Chisora. Ruiz put Joshua away. Usyk went 12 rounds with both.

Quick stoppages were not Usyk's thing even at cruiserweight. Also, unlike Fury, Usyk probably would not have had Wilder hurt early in the first place.

[DrDuke]

Hes been down 5 times but yeah totally unbeatable

You mean 5 times in his career?

That i remember yes

6 times. Pajkic, Cunningham, Wilder 1 2X, Wilder 3 2X.

[The Gratest]

Today's a bit soon. Give him a few weeks rest after last night.

I see him outlasting Joshua, with a possible scare/wobble or two along the way. It depends on Joshua's mental state and if he can get back to actually committing to throwing punches in combos like he used to (although granted, against a master boxer like Usyk, he just wasn't allowed to do that).
Joshua's mentality seems to be his biggest weakness, whereas that's Fury's greatest strength. I don't think we'll see the lighter, more stylistic Fury again, I think he's now stuck in heavier juggernaught mode. That might play slightly more to Joshua's advantage (as opposed to a boxing styled Fury) if it came to a battle of strength, although Fury's will and stamina would probably take it down the stretch.

I see him beating a forward marching Joyce to the punch all night. Joyce just looks so cumbersome and slow at times....yet is somehow so effective and keeps winning. He could mix it with the other tier below the top guys but would be outpointed by Fury.

Usyk would be the main worry. He showed he can fight on the outside against a larger opponent, as well as shifting in range and still dominating. Those that have troubled Usyk are opponents unafraid to let their hands go, and Fury certainly has no problem with that. Even if Fury's punches don't land clean, the shear weight of them will have an effect on the smaller Usyk. I'm unsure if his weight would allow him to use his mauling and leaning tactics against Usyk as he's constantly on the move and very rarely gets involved with clinching. It would be Fury trying to throw the 1-2 then attempt to grab, which could be risky against a guy with such good movement and timing. It's a pick 'em fight for me at the moment.

[Tony1244]

That i remember yes

Many of the greats were knocked down a few times. Ali was knocked down 4 times. Louis at least that many.

Yes im aware of the history of boxing. Which is why i know nobody is unbeatable.

Ok, I see your point now and agree with it.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Hes number 1 for sure

Id like to see him fight joyce or usyk

[Monzon83]

He fights so rarely against such low-level opponents it's hard to say how great he is. The best of the current crop probably but i'd still like to see him actually prove it by cleaning out the division. That's what true greats do.

[HomicideHenry]

There is only one true heavyweight champion of the world and that is Tyson Fury. Three barnburners with a man who was WBC champion for seven-eight years and 10+ title defenses, and defeating Klitschko as champion, in my view easily eclipses anything that Joshua accomplished.

Joshua was already embarrassingly defeated, and always was a mechanical bodybuilder. Frank Bruno 2.0 was all he was. Usyk out boxing a man who looked like a deer in the headlights is not comparable to what Fury had to do last night--- Joshua never dug down deep or let his hands go, because he's not a warrior. He hasn't let his hands go since Klitschko.

I do not like Wilder one damn bit but that was the best version of Wilder there was and he would have splattered Joshua all over the place. And who is to say Usyk actually would survive against these big men when they are throwing bombs and mauling Non-Stop?

All he can do is run run run, and when you are running you are not piling on any points. If Chisora could make him look like crap could you imagine what Fury would do? And Fury's no idiot, he will most definitely come in great shape for a guy like Usyk.

The sad part is people like ironbeard and Alp will continue to tear down and undermine the legacy of Fury. If he beat Usyk they'd say, "I'm not convinced until he beats Joshua," and if he beat Joshua they would say, "Well he never fought Ruiz to really prove he was the best of his era," and if he beat Snickers they would say, "This era was garbage and he'd of gotten beat by Tony Tubbs," or some other ridiculous comment.

With people like that you have to completely ignore their opinion because it amounts to crap. Every time people doubt Fury they end up eating crow and sour grapes.

Last night wasn't even the best version of Tyson Fury and he still cleaned house. These are probably the same type of people who never appreciated Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes when they were around.

[Noxy]

No-one beats Fury. He’s the best heavy in the world.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

I wasn't that impressed with Fury's performance last night. IMO, he fought well below the form he displayed in the first two Wilder fights. Fury's efficiency level was also far below what he demonstrated in winning the championship from Vladimir Klitschko a few years back.

Last night, we saw a mauling, wrestling, bullying version of Fury. I thought he looked very sluggish. In fact, Fury was very, very lucky to have survived the fourth round. He could have easily lost the bout due to his reduced speed and agility.

My guess is that the long layoff and short spell with COVID are the reasons why he didn't fight up to par. Luckily for Fury, Wilder's effectiveness was also reduced due to the long layoff.

The version of Fury that KO'd Wilder in their second fight is easily the best heavyweight active today. But can Tyson still fight on that level? I honestly don't know.

Truth be told, the way Fury looked last night, I'm not so sure he could handle Anthony Joshua, Oleksander Usyk, or an in-shape version of Andy Ruiz. Unless Fury drastically improves his form, he might find it a struggle to defeat Robert Helenius and Dilian Whyte.

Just my thoughts.

Yeah man that in shape andy ruiz is a killer like focused zab judah

[Blodhemn]

I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

I don't see any basis for Usyk stopping Wilder and I could see Wilder possibly catching Usyk if Usyk doesn't simply outbox Wilder.

Usyk struggled with Chisora's pressure taking him the distance and Fury beat up and stopped Chisora. Ruiz put Joshua away. Usyk went 12 rounds with both.

Fury doesn't fight anything like Joshua either. Joshua couldn't figure out the southpaw angles and can't apply educated pressure. Fury handled the southpaw angles without a problem again Wallin and knows how to fight tall. And if he's having problems outside against a faster opponent (Cunningham). He can take the fight inside and bully the smaller fighter. Chisora did bully Usyk with some success. And if Fury isn't doing the job outside, he'd roughhouse Usyk on the inside with bodywork, hooks and uppercuts to bully the smaller man. I tend to think he'd probably do this anyway with the way he's fought his last 2 fights.

I bet you gave zero chance to Usyk vc AJ. You are simply clueless about technique if you think Usyk can't knock out an exhausted Wilder from round 1. Yet another know-it-all idiot.

[Kronkpride]

Nobody beats Fury today or any time soon barring a freakishly flush shot knocking his lights out.

Nobody else hits near Wilder level and Fury is a tough mf'r who took everything he has...albeit barely in the 1st one.

Usyk is probably the best shot alive today outside of more Wilder fights. Wilder back at 215 or so will always be the most dangerous guy around. Usyk is just too small IMO though.

Outside of Usyk and Wilder I don't see anybody close. If AJ recaptures the belts then we will see that match though I give him almost no chance vs Fury and also almost no chance to regain the belts.

Gotta be Whyte next for Fury. Should be an easy Fury win but the best match that can be made. If he needs another fight waiting on the Usyk/AJ 2 winner then it should be Ruiz, Parker or Charles Martin. Former champs who have been winning again. It will take some matches for Wilder and AJ to get back in the picture after consecutive losses. Not sure if Wilder will stick around or not but I think AJ will probably stick in the game even after 2 straight losses and look to get the crack at Fury later when Fury has all the belts together.

[Bandog]

Usyk has a good shot. He'd make Fury look foolish at times. Way better boxer.

[margaret thatcher]

There is only one true heavyweight champion of the world and that is Tyson Fury. Three barnburners with a man who was WBC champion for seven-eight years and 10+ title defenses, and defeating Klitschko as champion, in my view easily eclipses anything that Joshua accomplished.

Joshua was already embarrassingly defeated, and always was a mechanical bodybuilder. Frank Bruno 2.0 was all he was. Usyk out boxing a man who looked like a deer in the headlights is not comparable to what Fury had to do last night--- Joshua never dug down deep or let his hands go, because he's not a warrior. He hasn't let his hands go since Klitschko.

I do not like Wilder one damn bit but that was the best version of Wilder there was and he would have splattered Joshua all over the place. And who is to say Usyk actually would survive against these big men when they are throwing bombs and mauling Non-Stop?

All he can do is run run run, and when you are running you are not piling on any points. If Chisora could make him look like crap could you imagine what Fury would do? And Fury's no idiot, he will most definitely come in great shape for a guy like Usyk.

The sad part is people like ironbeard and Alp will continue to tear down and undermine the legacy of Fury. If he beat Usyk they'd say, "I'm not convinced until he beats Joshua," and if he beat Joshua they would say, "Well he never fought Ruiz to really prove he was the best of his era," and if he beat Snickers they would say, "This era was garbage and he'd of gotten beat by Tony Tubbs," or some other ridiculous comment.

With people like that you have to completely ignore their opinion because it amounts to crap. Every time people doubt Fury they end up eating crow and sour grapes.

Last night wasn't even the best version of Tyson Fury and he still cleaned house. These are probably the same type of people who never appreciated Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes when they were around.

well, i mean the usyk ppl were right about him beating josh, whereas you were totally wrong in basically saying he wasnt even a legit contender. maybe hes a lot better than you think?

agree though that fury has to be #1 at this point, but he isnt unbeatable or anything

[Blodhemn]

well, i mean the usyk ppl were right about him beating josh, whereas you were totally wrong in basically saying he wasnt even a legit contender. maybe hes a lot better than you think?

agree though that fury has to be #1 at this point, but he isnt unbeatable or anything

Nailed it. 90% of this board has always been incapable of sizing up competition between weight classes.

As it stands - Fury #1, Usyk #2. Joyce has positioned himself nicely, most likely above Wilder now.

[HomicideHenry]

well, i mean the usyk ppl were right about him beating josh, whereas you were totally wrong in basically saying he wasnt even a legit contender. maybe hes a lot better than you think?

agree though that fury has to be #1 at this point, but he isnt unbeatable or anything

As I stated before, either the Ukrainian was playing possum holding back how good he really was against Witherspoon and Chisora--- or he simply looks inadequate when he is pressed against the big men.

I could only go on the basis of the two fights he had prior to Joshua and I was not at all impressed. Again, either styles make fights and people who press him make him look like crap--- or he's been holding back.

I honestly did not think Anthony Joshua would try to outbox a world class boxer. And maybe in the rematch he lets his hands go and the Ukrainian is in big trouble. Who knows.

I still maintain that out boxing Anthony Joshua is a world apart from trying to beat Tyson Fury, and I'm not going to rate a man who's only had three fights as a heavyweight ahead of Tyson Fury. Even if the Ukrainian beats Joshua again, the Englishman has already been exposed as a deeply flawed heavyweight.

[snake33]

I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

Based on what. A pitty pat win over an ill prepared Joshua ?
Usyk is sooooooo over rated.

[margaret thatcher]

I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

Based on what. A pitty pat win over an ill prepared Joshua ?
Usyk is sooooooo over rated.

you said he wouldnt even be a threat to joshua, and that it would be an easy win for aj. you said he wont make a dent at heavy and that he should move bridgerweight. yet he did beat aj and hurt him too, and is unified hw champ and top 2 in pretty much all rankings now

some ppl overrate him, but maybe you under rate him? he certainly wouldve made a bad move if he took your career advice!

[567568]

In heavyweight there's always a chance, even Joe Louis or Muhammad Ali were not invincible.
That being said, if anyone has a fair chance against Fury it is Usyk with his slippery skills and Wilder with his power (although he ended up comprehensively beaten, he did give Fury a genuine scare in the fourth round). I don't think there's anyone else in the HW scene who would present any problems to Fury.
After this, he can only lose to himself - stop training, start drinking or overeating.
Hope that does not happen, for boxing' sake.

[margaret thatcher]

[ironbeard]

It is easy to say that “nobody beats Tyson Fury today” when he is unlikely to face anyone for a minimum of six months, and more likely 8-12.

[margaret thatcher]

otto wallin was closer to beating fury than wlad klit or wilder in at least one of the fights, it would hardly be an outrage if the fight had been stopped on s uch a horrid cut. its not always the guy we expect who pulls it off

if fury doesnt keep up with things he could get caught complacent, but on paper he'd be favoured vs anyone

[DrDuke]

It is easy to say that “nobody beats Tyson Fury today” when he is unlikely to face anyone for a minimum of six months, and more likely 8-12.

His next fight will definitely be against Whyte, if Whyte wins Wallin, as Whyte is an official WBC mandatory right now. It will probably take place in 6-9 months. But what will be, if Wallin wins, since the Whyte-Wallin bout apparently has a rematch clause?

[jamesmcdonnell]

I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

Based on what. A pitty pat win over an ill prepared Joshua ?
Usyk is sooooooo over rated.

What a plonker.

[ironbeard]

It is easy to say that “nobody beats Tyson Fury today” when he is unlikely to face anyone for a minimum of six months, and more likely 8-12.

His next fight will definitely be against Whyte, if Whyte wins Wallin, as Whyte is an official WBC mandatory right now. It will probably take place in 6-9 months. But what will be, if Wallin wins, since the Whyte-Wallin bout apparently has a rematch clause?

I think that is what I just said, sans the names.

Very dangerous fight for Whyte. Fury was VERY fortunate that the fight was not stopped v Wallin.

[Cent0089]

Usyk vs Fury can be actually very boring close decision fight IMO