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Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 08:43

Blodhemn wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 01:49 I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

I don't see any basis for Usyk stopping Wilder and I could see Wilder possibly catching Usyk if Usyk doesn't simply outbox Wilder.

Usyk struggled with Chisora's pressure taking him the distance and Fury beat up and stopped Chisora. Ruiz put Joshua away. Usyk went 12 rounds with both.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:11

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:07

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:05 Hes been down 5 times but yeah totally unbeatable

You mean 5 times in his career?

That i remember yes

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:33

Tony1244 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:23

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:11

That i remember yes

Many of the greats were knocked down a few times. Ali was knocked down 4 times. Louis at least that many.

Yes im aware of the history of boxing. Which is why i know nobody is unbeatable.

Joe.Kelly wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 15:08 I wasn't that impressed with Fury's performance last night. IMO, he fought well below the form he displayed in the first two Wilder fights. Fury's efficiency level was also far below what he demonstrated in winning the championship from Vladimir Klitschko a few years back.

Last night, we saw a mauling, wrestling, bullying version of Fury. I thought he looked very sluggish. In fact, Fury was very, very lucky to have survived the fourth round. He could have easily lost the bout due to his reduced speed and agility.

My guess is that the long layoff and short spell with COVID are the reasons why he didn't fight up to par. Luckily for Fury, Wilder's effectiveness was also reduced due to the long layoff.

The version of Fury that KO'd Wilder in their second fight is easily the best heavyweight active today. But can Tyson still fight on that level? I honestly don't know.

Truth be told, the way Fury looked last night, I'm not so sure he could handle Anthony Joshua, Oleksander Usyk, or an in-shape version of Andy Ruiz. Unless Fury drastically improves his form, he might find it a struggle to defeat Robert Helenius and Dilian Whyte.

Just my thoughts.

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 08:43

Blodhemn wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 01:49 I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

I don't see any basis for Usyk stopping Wilder and I could see Wilder possibly catching Usyk if Usyk doesn't simply outbox Wilder.

Usyk struggled with Chisora's pressure taking him the distance and Fury beat up and stopped Chisora. Ruiz put Joshua away. Usyk went 12 rounds with both.

Fury doesn't fight anything like Joshua either. Joshua couldn't figure out the southpaw angles and can't apply educated pressure. Fury handled the southpaw angles without a problem again Wallin and knows how to fight tall. And if he's having problems outside against a faster opponent (Cunningham). He can take the fight inside and bully the smaller fighter. Chisora did bully Usyk with some success. And if Fury isn't doing the job outside, he'd roughhouse Usyk on the inside with bodywork, hooks and uppercuts to bully the smaller man. I tend to think he'd probably do this anyway with the way he's fought his last 2 fights.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 15:00 There is only one true heavyweight champion of the world and that is Tyson Fury. Three barnburners with a man who was WBC champion for seven-eight years and 10+ title defenses, and defeating Klitschko as champion, in my view easily eclipses anything that Joshua accomplished.

Joshua was already embarrassingly defeated, and always was a mechanical bodybuilder. Frank Bruno 2.0 was all he was. Usyk out boxing a man who looked like a deer in the headlights is not comparable to what Fury had to do last night--- Joshua never dug down deep or let his hands go, because he's not a warrior. He hasn't let his hands go since Klitschko.

I do not like Wilder one damn bit but that was the best version of Wilder there was and he would have splattered Joshua all over the place. And who is to say Usyk actually would survive against these big men when they are throwing bombs and mauling Non-Stop?

All he can do is run run run, and when you are running you are not piling on any points. If Chisora could make him look like crap could you imagine what Fury would do? And Fury's no idiot, he will most definitely come in great shape for a guy like Usyk.

The sad part is people like ironbeard and Alp will continue to tear down and undermine the legacy of Fury. If he beat Usyk they'd say, "I'm not convinced until he beats Joshua," and if he beat Joshua they would say, "Well he never fought Ruiz to really prove he was the best of his era," and if he beat Snickers they would say, "This era was garbage and he'd of gotten beat by Tony Tubbs," or some other ridiculous comment.

With people like that you have to completely ignore their opinion because it amounts to crap. Every time people doubt Fury they end up eating crow and sour grapes.

Last night wasn't even the best version of Tyson Fury and he still cleaned house. These are probably the same type of people who never appreciated Lennox Lewis or Larry Holmes when they were around.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 16:58

well, i mean the usyk ppl were right about him beating josh, whereas you were totally wrong in basically saying he wasnt even a legit contender. maybe hes a lot better than you think?

agree though that fury has to be #1 at this point, but he isnt unbeatable or anything

well, i mean the usyk ppl were right about him beating josh, whereas you were totally wrong in basically saying he wasnt even a legit contender. maybe hes a lot better than you think?

agree though that fury has to be #1 at this point, but he isnt unbeatable or anything

Blodhemn wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 01:49 I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

snake33 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 23:58

Blodhemn wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 01:49 I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

Based on what. A pitty pat win over an ill prepared Joshua ?
Usyk is sooooooo over rated.

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 01:13 It is easy to say that “nobody beats Tyson Fury today” when he is unlikely to face anyone for a minimum of six months, and more likely 8-12.

snake33 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 23:58

Blodhemn wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 01:49 I rate Usyk over Fury at this point. Wilder was spent after the 1st round and Fury almost gave the fight away and took 11 rounds to stop a complete fish out of water. Usyk would've finished Wilder earlier and will box rings around Fury.

Based on what. A pitty pat win over an ill prepared Joshua ?
Usyk is sooooooo over rated.

DrDuke wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 03:37

ironbeard wrote: ↑11 Oct 2021, 01:13 It is easy to say that “nobody beats Tyson Fury today” when he is unlikely to face anyone for a minimum of six months, and more likely 8-12.

His next fight will definitely be against Whyte, if Whyte wins Wallin, as Whyte is an official WBC mandatory right now. It will probably take place in 6-9 months. But what will be, if Wallin wins, since the Whyte-Wallin bout apparently has a rematch clause?