Wilder Vs …. ?
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Kronk you’ve busted my gut. 
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
I give some credit to Malik Scott for getting Wilder into better shape for fight 3 even though they killed his body with the upper body weight his little legs cannot carry. I also give Scott some credit for Wilder starting out with a good body attack.
But Wilder abandoned the body attack and then the extra muscle killed his chances by the end of round 5. That shit is Scott's fault entirely.
If I have to smack the piss out of Wilder in the corner between rounds to get him back to attacking the body I will. If I have to lock him in a cell and starve him to drop the weight I will. No half arse amount of training and preparation will do. Wilder needs somebody to take complete control of everything and to force him to just shut his mouth and follow orders. I'm the only guy around who will do that and enforce all the laws that Wilder and his garbage teams and trainers have been breaking.
Wilder will probably not like me until Fury is flat on his back and not getting up. But 20 years from now when he looks back on his career all of the credit will go to Kronk Mark Messer style training being the only way to defeat the Kronk Sugar Hill Fury style. Wilder has no hope without me and is guaranteed nothing but success with me. But I will have to beat him up physically and mentally to eliminate all the deranged thoughts he will have about continuing to try and self manage his ways even after multiple complete failures clearly show he is absolutely insane trying to repeat those same mistakes.
We are gonna bust Fury's guts all over the ring after I straighten out all the physical and mental BS that is plaguing DeOntay Wilder right now.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
I think at this point I should take you all back to Charlie Zelenoff, tactics, training competency and Wilder's only hope.
100% Wilder needs a complete team change. One of the competing offers to my #1 of all times offer is from Floyd Mayweather Jr. But the problem with his training skills is the apple usually does not fall far from the tree.
Charlie Z and submarine warfare. Wilder got smoked upside his head not protecting himself at all times and Charlie ambushed him successfully. Sent him flying and there will forever be videos on the internet of Charlie Z busting his chops and showing he has never been properly trained.
Charlie's 180 Crazy Ivan submarine maneuvers is how he made a fool of a man who calls himself a great trainer!!! How in the F can you claim to be a great trainer when you do not know to protect yourself at all times? You think Charlie retreating is the end of that shit??? Think again old man as here comes Crazy Ivan and the forever videos of you getting busted upside your head by Charlie Zelenoff.
Emanuel Steward would have never been landed on by Charlie Z. Never in a million years could Charlie out smart him like he did the Mayweather's and Wilder. That Mayweather gym is forever a place of shame after such pathetic boxing knowledge gets put on display and the trainers there cannot even practice protecting themselves at all times.
Floyd Jr. cannot be trusted to help Wilder. They all got embarrassed and outsmarted by a man who is widely considered by most boxing fans and historians to be one of the biggest boxing fools of all time in Charlie. The Floyd Jr. apple is rotten for training after the way his father tree was outfoxed and forever sullied their training names.
The only way to beat the Kronk eyes that Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury have right now....I'll give cousin Andy an eye too.....is to get the sharpest Kronk eye of them all on your side....Mark Messer. The Kronk eyes tricked Wilder and his bad training teams. They beefed Tyson up and came offensive and the blind crews of Wilder responded by bulking him up and destroying his legs and, stamina and power with upper body muscles.
That shit is embarrassing man. You have a monster that can stay in the pocket all the way to the last round and still put Fury on his arse after a long hard fight. Then you destroy him the only way the monster can be destroyed. You add upper body muscles to steal the oxygen from his tiny legs. Once may be an accident but twice is insanity.
That gap between myself and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is so large in terms of ability to train Wilder to beat Tyson Fury that he will have to call me Mark "Money" Messer anytime he is in my presence.
I just wanted to put this out there as there are lots of vultures like Floyd Jr out there right now trying to get a piece of the Wilder team. None of them have the proper Kronk eye for the job besides me. I am Wilder's only hope for vindication.
100% Wilder needs a complete team change. One of the competing offers to my #1 of all times offer is from Floyd Mayweather Jr. But the problem with his training skills is the apple usually does not fall far from the tree.
Charlie Z and submarine warfare. Wilder got smoked upside his head not protecting himself at all times and Charlie ambushed him successfully. Sent him flying and there will forever be videos on the internet of Charlie Z busting his chops and showing he has never been properly trained.
Charlie's 180 Crazy Ivan submarine maneuvers is how he made a fool of a man who calls himself a great trainer!!! How in the F can you claim to be a great trainer when you do not know to protect yourself at all times? You think Charlie retreating is the end of that shit??? Think again old man as here comes Crazy Ivan and the forever videos of you getting busted upside your head by Charlie Zelenoff.
Emanuel Steward would have never been landed on by Charlie Z. Never in a million years could Charlie out smart him like he did the Mayweather's and Wilder. That Mayweather gym is forever a place of shame after such pathetic boxing knowledge gets put on display and the trainers there cannot even practice protecting themselves at all times.
Floyd Jr. cannot be trusted to help Wilder. They all got embarrassed and outsmarted by a man who is widely considered by most boxing fans and historians to be one of the biggest boxing fools of all time in Charlie. The Floyd Jr. apple is rotten for training after the way his father tree was outfoxed and forever sullied their training names.
The only way to beat the Kronk eyes that Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury have right now....I'll give cousin Andy an eye too.....is to get the sharpest Kronk eye of them all on your side....Mark Messer. The Kronk eyes tricked Wilder and his bad training teams. They beefed Tyson up and came offensive and the blind crews of Wilder responded by bulking him up and destroying his legs and, stamina and power with upper body muscles.
That shit is embarrassing man. You have a monster that can stay in the pocket all the way to the last round and still put Fury on his arse after a long hard fight. Then you destroy him the only way the monster can be destroyed. You add upper body muscles to steal the oxygen from his tiny legs. Once may be an accident but twice is insanity.
That gap between myself and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is so large in terms of ability to train Wilder to beat Tyson Fury that he will have to call me Mark "Money" Messer anytime he is in my presence.
I just wanted to put this out there as there are lots of vultures like Floyd Jr out there right now trying to get a piece of the Wilder team. None of them have the proper Kronk eye for the job besides me. I am Wilder's only hope for vindication.
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Huh?Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 15:34 I think at this point I should take you all back to Charlie Zelenoff, tactics, training competency and Wilder's only hope.
100% Wilder needs a complete team change. One of the competing offers to my #1 of all times offer is from Floyd Mayweather Jr. But the problem with his training skills is the apple usually does not fall far from the tree.![]()
Charlie Z and submarine warfare. Wilder got smoked upside his head not protecting himself at all times and Charlie ambushed him successfully. Sent him flying and there will forever be videos on the internet of Charlie Z busting his chops and showing he has never been properly trained.
Charlie's 180 Crazy Ivan submarine maneuvers is how he made a fool of a man who calls himself a great trainer!!! How in the F can you claim to be a great trainer when you do not know to protect yourself at all times? You think Charlie retreating is the end of that shit??? Think again old man as here comes Crazy Ivan and the forever videos of you getting busted upside your head by Charlie Zelenoff.
Emanuel Steward would have never been landed on by Charlie Z. Never in a million years could Charlie out smart him like he did the Mayweather's and Wilder. That Mayweather gym is forever a place of shame after such pathetic boxing knowledge gets put on display and the trainers there cannot even practice protecting themselves at all times.
Floyd Jr. cannot be trusted to help Wilder. They all got embarrassed and outsmarted by a man who is widely considered by most boxing fans and historians to be one of the biggest boxing fools of all time in Charlie. The Floyd Jr. apple is rotten for training after the way his father tree was outfoxed and forever sullied their training names.
The only way to beat the Kronk eyes that Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury have right now....I'll give cousin Andy an eye too.....is to get the sharpest Kronk eye of them all on your side....Mark Messer. The Kronk eyes tricked Wilder and his bad training teams. They beefed Tyson up and came offensive and the blind crews of Wilder responded by bulking him up and destroying his legs and, stamina and power with upper body muscles.![]()
That shit is embarrassing man. You have a monster that can stay in the pocket all the way to the last round and still put Fury on his arse after a long hard fight. Then you destroy him the only way the monster can be destroyed. You add upper body muscles to steal the oxygen from his tiny legs. Once may be an accident but twice is insanity.
That gap between myself and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is so large in terms of ability to train Wilder to beat Tyson Fury that he will have to call me Mark "Money" Messer anytime he is in my presence.
I just wanted to put this out there as there are lots of vultures like Floyd Jr out there right now trying to get a piece of the Wilder team. None of them have the proper Kronk eye for the job besides me. I am Wilder's only hope for vindication.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
It is way above your pay grade Tony.
You should probably stick to OT politics threads where other retarded leftists gather to bath in propaganda and stupidity. You don't stand out so much there.
Current Scene is for people with boxing intelligence to display it and to mine for boxing Gold. As a much smarter Tony in Tony Beets would say...Let's Make It Happening.
There is a ton of gold still left in the Wilder claim. Some idiots have ran it all through wash plants several times but they had no clue how to catch the gold. I'm gonna bring in the team capable of remining the Wilder claim and to collect the hundreds of millions of gold still left in its ground.
But I have to chase off vultures like Floyd Jr. who are trying to claim jump. He is a snake oil salesman claiming to be a proper miner.![[icon_shame.gif] :shame:](./images/smilies/icon_shame.gif)
You should probably stick to OT politics threads where other retarded leftists gather to bath in propaganda and stupidity. You don't stand out so much there.
Current Scene is for people with boxing intelligence to display it and to mine for boxing Gold. As a much smarter Tony in Tony Beets would say...Let's Make It Happening.
There is a ton of gold still left in the Wilder claim. Some idiots have ran it all through wash plants several times but they had no clue how to catch the gold. I'm gonna bring in the team capable of remining the Wilder claim and to collect the hundreds of millions of gold still left in its ground.
But I have to chase off vultures like Floyd Jr. who are trying to claim jump. He is a snake oil salesman claiming to be a proper miner.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
The other advantage Tyson Fury has had on DeOntay Wilder that I am going to reverse into an advantage for Wilder is an understanding of Jesus. I will spiritually repair DeOntay Wilder along with the physical and mental repairs that he needs.
(48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."
Tyson Fury is the mountain. And it will not be Moved Away until what happens?
Both halves of DeOntay Wilder have to make peace with eachother. His upper body half has declared war on his legs.
A man cannot swim without getting wet according to Tyson Fury though that is an oxymoron. A man cannot swim without drowning without both halves of the body working as one.
(47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."
This is why the two must make peace with eachother in that one house. DeOntays upper body muscles were honored but his legs were treated contemptuously. Team Wilder got drunk on new wine of thinking upper body strength was the key. The new wine burst the old wineskins and the 0 in the loss column. The old wine attempt in fight 3 to over train him to try to compensate for the muscles tearing down his stamina spoiled his new overweight wine skins. The Frankenstein Wilder monster they created was torn apart.
Tyson Fury was right on the money about Jesus telling all of the truth. But what Tyson is yet to realize is that my Kronk eye is sharper than his Kronk eye. He knows a little bit about what Jesus teaches and how it applies to boxing which is still a whole lot to know. But I know it all and can bring Jesus' words into DeOntay Wilder's life and he will prevail over Tyson Fury walking on the most narrow path there is with the right guidance and understanding of Jesus with him.
(34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."
And they will repeat those mistakes as well if they are not blessed by the intervention of someone with sight....a Kronk eye boxing mind.
But that is not the only moral there. Admittedly, Tyson Fury, Sugar Hill and Andy Lee can see. They are not blind men. They all have a Kronk eye with sight. They will not go into any pit on their own. They can only be defeated by superior sight that leads the way to forcefully disposing of them into the pit. Only a superior Kronk eye can lead to that most narrow path.
Jesus saves and Jesus has not given up on DeOntay Wilder. Everything Jesus ever did and said applies to the way for DeOntay Wilder to defeat Tyson Fury. I can and will teach DeOntay all of these things.
(48) Jesus said, "If two make peace with each other in this one house, they will say to the mountain, 'Move Away,' and it will move away."
Tyson Fury is the mountain. And it will not be Moved Away until what happens?
Both halves of DeOntay Wilder have to make peace with eachother. His upper body half has declared war on his legs.
A man cannot swim without getting wet according to Tyson Fury though that is an oxymoron. A man cannot swim without drowning without both halves of the body working as one.
(47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."
This is why the two must make peace with eachother in that one house. DeOntays upper body muscles were honored but his legs were treated contemptuously. Team Wilder got drunk on new wine of thinking upper body strength was the key. The new wine burst the old wineskins and the 0 in the loss column. The old wine attempt in fight 3 to over train him to try to compensate for the muscles tearing down his stamina spoiled his new overweight wine skins. The Frankenstein Wilder monster they created was torn apart.
Tyson Fury was right on the money about Jesus telling all of the truth. But what Tyson is yet to realize is that my Kronk eye is sharper than his Kronk eye. He knows a little bit about what Jesus teaches and how it applies to boxing which is still a whole lot to know. But I know it all and can bring Jesus' words into DeOntay Wilder's life and he will prevail over Tyson Fury walking on the most narrow path there is with the right guidance and understanding of Jesus with him.
(34) Jesus said, "If a blind man leads a blind man, they will both fall into a pit."
And they will repeat those mistakes as well if they are not blessed by the intervention of someone with sight....a Kronk eye boxing mind.
But that is not the only moral there. Admittedly, Tyson Fury, Sugar Hill and Andy Lee can see. They are not blind men. They all have a Kronk eye with sight. They will not go into any pit on their own. They can only be defeated by superior sight that leads the way to forcefully disposing of them into the pit. Only a superior Kronk eye can lead to that most narrow path.
Jesus saves and Jesus has not given up on DeOntay Wilder. Everything Jesus ever did and said applies to the way for DeOntay Wilder to defeat Tyson Fury. I can and will teach DeOntay all of these things.
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
So many disagreed with my idea of attacking Fury's body. What do I know. Tell you what, huge size difference between Fury and Usyk, but Usyk may take Fury into deep waters. Fury was gassed half way through vs Wilder. South paw, much better boxer, and far superior footwork.Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 13:06Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
I give some credit to Malik Scott for getting Wilder into better shape for fight 3 even though they killed his body with the upper body weight his little legs cannot carry. I also give Scott some credit for Wilder starting out with a good body attack.
But Wilder abandoned the body attack and then the extra muscle killed his chances by the end of round 5. That shit is Scott's fault entirely.
If I have to smack the piss out of Wilder in the corner between rounds to get him back to attacking the body I will. If I have to lock him in a cell and starve him to drop the weight I will. No half arse amount of training and preparation will do. Wilder needs somebody to take complete control of everything and to force him to just shut his mouth and follow orders. I'm the only guy around who will do that and enforce all the laws that Wilder and his garbage teams and trainers have been breaking.
Wilder will probably not like me until Fury is flat on his back and not getting up. But 20 years from now when he looks back on his career all of the credit will go to Kronk Mark Messer style training being the only way to defeat the Kronk Sugar Hill Fury style. Wilder has no hope without me and is guaranteed nothing but success with me. But I will have to beat him up physically and mentally to eliminate all the deranged thoughts he will have about continuing to try and self manage his ways even after multiple complete failures clearly show he is absolutely insane trying to repeat those same mistakes.
We are gonna bust Fury's guts all over the ring after I straighten out all the physical and mental BS that is plaguing DeOntay Wilder right now.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
wilder started jabbing to the body, then it went out the door after a couple minutes. ppl were saying you cant teach him new trricks and they were right
he'll be close to 37 when he fights next, never having shown much stlystic change in 45 fights, its not gonna happen
he'll be close to 37 when he fights next, never having shown much stlystic change in 45 fights, its not gonna happen
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Yeah, it's easy to execute what you learn in the gym at the first bell, but to perform that way when the heat is on is another matter altogether. We resort back to what we know and have been doing all along.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:13 wilder started jabbing to the body, then it went out the door for a couple minutes. ppl were saying you cant teach him new trricks and they were right
he'll be close to 37 when he fights next, never having shown much stlystic change in 45 fights, its not gonna happen
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Glad you brought that up. Good call. I was one who wrongly disagreed.Bandog wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:10So many disagreed with my idea of attacking Fury's body. What do I know. Tell you what, huge size difference between Fury and Usyk, but Usyk may take Fury into deep waters. Fury was gassed half way through vs Wilder. South paw, much better boxer, and far superior footwork.Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 13:06Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
I give some credit to Malik Scott for getting Wilder into better shape for fight 3 even though they killed his body with the upper body weight his little legs cannot carry. I also give Scott some credit for Wilder starting out with a good body attack.
But Wilder abandoned the body attack and then the extra muscle killed his chances by the end of round 5. That shit is Scott's fault entirely.
If I have to smack the piss out of Wilder in the corner between rounds to get him back to attacking the body I will. If I have to lock him in a cell and starve him to drop the weight I will. No half arse amount of training and preparation will do. Wilder needs somebody to take complete control of everything and to force him to just shut his mouth and follow orders. I'm the only guy around who will do that and enforce all the laws that Wilder and his garbage teams and trainers have been breaking.
Wilder will probably not like me until Fury is flat on his back and not getting up. But 20 years from now when he looks back on his career all of the credit will go to Kronk Mark Messer style training being the only way to defeat the Kronk Sugar Hill Fury style. Wilder has no hope without me and is guaranteed nothing but success with me. But I will have to beat him up physically and mentally to eliminate all the deranged thoughts he will have about continuing to try and self manage his ways even after multiple complete failures clearly show he is absolutely insane trying to repeat those same mistakes.
We are gonna bust Fury's guts all over the ring after I straighten out all the physical and mental BS that is plaguing DeOntay Wilder right now.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
there is no way he'd be able to committ to a body attack, people were right to disagree, it simply was never going to happen and they were right, he abandoned it after like a minute or two
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Wilder isnt good enough to modify styles like a truly great fighter like fury can. He just plain isnt good enough to do that
He hits like a mfer though nd that serves him well
He hits like a mfer though nd that serves him well
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
He won a round on that, by he abandoned it with an end of the round, after he received a solid right hand to the opened head.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:56 there is no way he'd be able to committ to a body attack, people were right to disagree, it simply was never going to happen and they were right, he abandoned it after like a minute or two
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Yes he did. And could win more rounds on a body attack to Fury. Fury is slick up top. But he has a massive trunk target that does not move like his upper half. DeOntay early on even when too big up top carries big power and going to the body consistently for him would work. Tyson would start backing off.DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 02:07He won a round on that, by he abandoned it with an end of the round, after he received a solid right hand to the opened head.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:56 there is no way he'd be able to committ to a body attack, people were right to disagree, it simply was never going to happen and they were right, he abandoned it after like a minute or two
Wilder just needs to get to 215 or lower. Go into the fight to the body holding his ground when Tyson comes forward. Keep going to the body all night as when 215 he will be able to do so. Mix in the head shots but always focus body when you catch him and get reward for the punches thrown in points and what it is taking out of Tyson. He can make a fight a living hell on Tyson Fury with a consistent body attack and the right size and shape to fight all 12 rounds hard.
Wilder punches ultra hard. It is his natural gift. You got to aim it at the highest percentage targets to get the most return on it. Head hunting Fury is low %. Going to his body pays off though. After you hurt him bad to the body....then you chop his head off.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
wilder has spent too long trying to fight just one way (measure up for the 1 big shot), and he has admitted several times he never tries to change it because it had always worked,. if he had been working on a body attack and adding diversity to his game starting years back, he'd prob be much more capable on implementing it today
wilder has spent too long trying to fight just one way (measure up for the 1 big shot), and he has admitted several times he never tries to change it because it had always worked,. if he had been working on a body attack and adding diversity to his game starting years back, he'd prob be much more capable on implementing it today
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
He was size sabotaged for this fight. And Scott was more of a buddy than a trainer. With a hard nosed trainer he can do it. Or he gets the piss slapped out of him between rounds instead of resting.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
he'll be close to 37 next fight, going into his 46th fight, not gonna happen
he spent too long only focused on fighting one way and admitted he had never tried to change that because it had always worked. these types of changes usually take years of work and dont happen overnight
he spent too long only focused on fighting one way and admitted he had never tried to change that because it had always worked. these types of changes usually take years of work and dont happen overnight
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
hard combinations at the body .........not going to happen, he doesn't do combinations beyond 1-2 and he doesnt committ to the bodyKronkpride wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:15Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
He's got the solid jab to the body....he can double the jab some...he can follow with the big right down stairs...that is the main one to rinse and repeat. If Fury is taking steps back though then the 1 2 3 left hook to the body. Wilder can do all that. He would be a real monster doing it too. Way more of his power thrown would land. People get off the hook way too often on his shots because he doesn't do it. But he can do it.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:16hard combinations at the body .........not going to happen, he doesn't do combinations beyond 1-2 and he doesnt committ to the bodyKronkpride wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:15Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
Gotta train the switch better for him to connect it. All camp sparring back and forth all work upstairs all work downstairs. Repetitively switching like that will connect his brain for the fight massively better. Nobody is perfect. They all need people around them to smooth out the edges. He just has not been wired to do what he can do and to follow the right commands given at the right time. Really Wilder has done exceptionally well without very good guidance in his career.
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Wilder's body punches were worthless. Fury didn't seem to feel them, he landed a good a wake up call shot to the opened Deontay, who was happy of jabbing to the body, as if he had become a master boxer and was winning 10 rounds on that instead of 1. Wilder's body shots were even more primitive than ones to a head. And Wilder couldn't mix up levels at all. That's why eventually he was forced to concentrate on the only thing he really can.
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
I think the body punches were intended to set-up the overhand right – a two-punch combination, where the first blow was merely a distraction.
Wilder’s team were hoping Fury would lower his guard to block the jab to the body, leaving his chin wide open for Deontay to land that powerful overhand right.
However, Deontay telegraphed those shots and instead of blocking those punches, Fury anticipated them and took a step back.
And the fact Fury retained ownership of the centre of the ring, when the Brit was fighting on the outside, meant that he had plenty of room to keep out of harm’s way, instead of being trapped with his back to the ropes.
Basically, Malik Scott had a gameplan that Wilder couldn’t execute, so they quickly abandoned it.
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
I'd like to see Wilder and Joshua win tune-ups and then fight each other. Or, considering that Joshua has a rematch clause, then something like this:
Wilder: basic tune-up, then someone good like Whyte / Hunter / Ruiz / Joyce, then Joshua
Joshua: Usyk rematch, either a basic tune-up or a contender depending on whether he gets KO'ed, then Wilder
Wilder: basic tune-up, then someone good like Whyte / Hunter / Ruiz / Joyce, then Joshua
Joshua: Usyk rematch, either a basic tune-up or a contender depending on whether he gets KO'ed, then Wilder
Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Fair play Bandog you did, and I agree with you about Wilder v Ruiz or Whyte / Wallin.Bandog wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 18:50I have congratulated Fury, admitted he is better, and admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 18:26and then if wilder wins, wilder-fury 4.
wilder surely wins next time, right?
Take your sorry trolling ass elsewhere.
Maggie is a good poster who generally makes a lot of sense but he sees an opponent with arms raised carrying a white flag as someone who can still walk and he feels the need to change that
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Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Wilder has been sneaking peaks at this thread. The beginning of the Jesus teachings that are all about Wilder defeating Tyson Fury has already melted his heart and is the reason for the Wilder statement acknowledging God and congratulating Tyson Fury.
I will start from the top with the long hidden words of Jesus commonly referred to in error as The Gospel Of Thomas. But what they are actually is The Gospel Of DeOntay Wilder.
These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.
Didymos means twin. Judas means traitor. Thomas is TOM HAS....TOM HAS JUDAS DIDYMOS. TOM HAS A TRAITOR TWIN. That is DeOntay Wilder's upper body at 231 and 238 pounds. His traitor upper body half killed his lower body and legs. All that has happened in Fury/Wilder 2 and 3 is in the name....Didymos Judas Thomas.
(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."
Jesus is the way the truth and the life. But humanity is largely not the way, not the truth and not the life. Proper interpretation almost never comes from man.
(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
Wilder is still seeking. And now that he is reading this thread he is now finding. He is becoming troubled because the sabotage of his team is becoming clear. The errors of the ways are all due to his management and trainers. He now sees the most narrow path is the path he was on before his team sabotaged him and led him astray. When he drops the weight and goes back to his own natural path he will be astonished by the results. Tyson Fury will go down again and not get up. DeOntay Wilder will rule over the all.
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Living in the poverty right now is quite apparent. The wealth does not come from the money overflowing out of Wilder's pockets right now. He is poorer than he has ever been in his life today even with more money than he has ever had. That is because he has been led astray and forgotten himself. The kingdom that is inside and outside is the air. Disconnecting from the air brings immediate death to all people. Nobody can last even 1 second without the air. No matter how you get cut off from breathing you continue to live on the air that is within you to your last second of life. Understanding this is key as there will always be vultures and traitors around seeking to disconnect you from the air. That is exactly what happened to Wilder by his team and trainers.
(4) Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."
Again this is about the air. All of God's children no matter where they are born and what they look like all speak the same native tongue. Pure unblocked air words. It takes many months for Judas/Traitors to teach the children to air block the word with fallen languages they are later tricked into considering their native tongues. Ask that 7 day old child DeOntay how to beat Tyson Fury and listen to the response. It will be unblocked air and it will be the way the truth and the life.
(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
It is all there to be seen. Recognition is the only thing stopping the sight of it from manifesting. The problem is choice. The air is not invisible nor is it unintelligible. It is always there to be seen and always speaking the whole truth and nothing but the truth to those with the ears to hear. It contradicts every single man lie there is formed in the fallen air blocked languages, customs and laws.
There have been a lot of BS places and ways in this world since Jesus time. In fact every place and every way here has been BS since then. But all of the BS is always properly contradicted by the air. All people of all colors have been enslaved at times since Jesus. All of the lies told by the owner classes of superiority over the slave classes have been lies. Their BS words and customs and laws say the exact opposite of the air which is the kingdom. The air connects to all men equally and is never disconnected except through the actions of man.
DeOntay Wilder....your native tongue is the pure air word. VOWEL=MOUTH=COURT. All air blockers are foreign to you. There are only 4 letters in the English language that convey who you are. Take them to the court of your mouth and pick out the 4 that are truly a vowel. A E I O......those 4 are yours. The 5th letter they lie about here to call a vowel is air blocked. The Y is stuck on U. It is the air blockage and theft of the O derived pure vowel sound.
That is what happened to you in fight 2 and 3. The Y was stuck on U. They blocked your air through theft building your upper body up. That Y is not part of your natural state. The Y is the Judas that did you in. The Y is also the air blocking costume of the 2nd fight. You don't need any f;n masks. You do not need to hide. The only thing those coverings and air blockers do is attempt to kill you.
Y O U. U. YEW...WE Y.....EWE....WE E. It is all right there in those 4 version of U. When you become WE E you have defeated the Y that is stuck on U.
Some illiterate people might think arriving at EWE would be insulting to a man. Escaping the Y which has been termed as maleness to wind up at EWE which has been termed femaleness. We'd have to go further into The Gospel Of DeOntay Wilder to flush it out for those illiterate fools.
(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
EWE.....E DOUBLE U E......E WE left....E WE right. That is us entering the kingdom of pure air. The Y is no longer stuck on U. Tyson Fury has not the fury capable of defeating DeOntay Wilder once DeOntay returns to the kingdom he is from.![[icon_notworthy.gif] :bow:](./images/smilies/icon_notworthy.gif)
I will start from the top with the long hidden words of Jesus commonly referred to in error as The Gospel Of Thomas. But what they are actually is The Gospel Of DeOntay Wilder.
These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.
Didymos means twin. Judas means traitor. Thomas is TOM HAS....TOM HAS JUDAS DIDYMOS. TOM HAS A TRAITOR TWIN. That is DeOntay Wilder's upper body at 231 and 238 pounds. His traitor upper body half killed his lower body and legs. All that has happened in Fury/Wilder 2 and 3 is in the name....Didymos Judas Thomas.
(1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death."
Jesus is the way the truth and the life. But humanity is largely not the way, not the truth and not the life. Proper interpretation almost never comes from man.
(2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All."
Wilder is still seeking. And now that he is reading this thread he is now finding. He is becoming troubled because the sabotage of his team is becoming clear. The errors of the ways are all due to his management and trainers. He now sees the most narrow path is the path he was on before his team sabotaged him and led him astray. When he drops the weight and goes back to his own natural path he will be astonished by the results. Tyson Fury will go down again and not get up. DeOntay Wilder will rule over the all.
(3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."
Living in the poverty right now is quite apparent. The wealth does not come from the money overflowing out of Wilder's pockets right now. He is poorer than he has ever been in his life today even with more money than he has ever had. That is because he has been led astray and forgotten himself. The kingdom that is inside and outside is the air. Disconnecting from the air brings immediate death to all people. Nobody can last even 1 second without the air. No matter how you get cut off from breathing you continue to live on the air that is within you to your last second of life. Understanding this is key as there will always be vultures and traitors around seeking to disconnect you from the air. That is exactly what happened to Wilder by his team and trainers.
(4) Jesus said, "The man old in days will not hesitate to ask a small child seven days old about the place of life, and he will live. For many who are first will become last, and they will become one and the same."
Again this is about the air. All of God's children no matter where they are born and what they look like all speak the same native tongue. Pure unblocked air words. It takes many months for Judas/Traitors to teach the children to air block the word with fallen languages they are later tricked into considering their native tongues. Ask that 7 day old child DeOntay how to beat Tyson Fury and listen to the response. It will be unblocked air and it will be the way the truth and the life.
(5) Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."
It is all there to be seen. Recognition is the only thing stopping the sight of it from manifesting. The problem is choice. The air is not invisible nor is it unintelligible. It is always there to be seen and always speaking the whole truth and nothing but the truth to those with the ears to hear. It contradicts every single man lie there is formed in the fallen air blocked languages, customs and laws.
There have been a lot of BS places and ways in this world since Jesus time. In fact every place and every way here has been BS since then. But all of the BS is always properly contradicted by the air. All people of all colors have been enslaved at times since Jesus. All of the lies told by the owner classes of superiority over the slave classes have been lies. Their BS words and customs and laws say the exact opposite of the air which is the kingdom. The air connects to all men equally and is never disconnected except through the actions of man.
DeOntay Wilder....your native tongue is the pure air word. VOWEL=MOUTH=COURT. All air blockers are foreign to you. There are only 4 letters in the English language that convey who you are. Take them to the court of your mouth and pick out the 4 that are truly a vowel. A E I O......those 4 are yours. The 5th letter they lie about here to call a vowel is air blocked. The Y is stuck on U. It is the air blockage and theft of the O derived pure vowel sound.
That is what happened to you in fight 2 and 3. The Y was stuck on U. They blocked your air through theft building your upper body up. That Y is not part of your natural state. The Y is the Judas that did you in. The Y is also the air blocking costume of the 2nd fight. You don't need any f;n masks. You do not need to hide. The only thing those coverings and air blockers do is attempt to kill you.
Y O U. U. YEW...WE Y.....EWE....WE E. It is all right there in those 4 version of U. When you become WE E you have defeated the Y that is stuck on U.
Some illiterate people might think arriving at EWE would be insulting to a man. Escaping the Y which has been termed as maleness to wind up at EWE which has been termed femaleness. We'd have to go further into The Gospel Of DeOntay Wilder to flush it out for those illiterate fools.
(22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."
EWE.....E DOUBLE U E......E WE left....E WE right. That is us entering the kingdom of pure air. The Y is no longer stuck on U. Tyson Fury has not the fury capable of defeating DeOntay Wilder once DeOntay returns to the kingdom he is from.