Re: Wilder Vs …. ?
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 09:19
Kronk you’ve busted my gut. 
Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
Huh?Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 15:34 I think at this point I should take you all back to Charlie Zelenoff, tactics, training competency and Wilder's only hope.
100% Wilder needs a complete team change. One of the competing offers to my #1 of all times offer is from Floyd Mayweather Jr. But the problem with his training skills is the apple usually does not fall far from the tree.![]()
Charlie Z and submarine warfare. Wilder got smoked upside his head not protecting himself at all times and Charlie ambushed him successfully. Sent him flying and there will forever be videos on the internet of Charlie Z busting his chops and showing he has never been properly trained.
Charlie's 180 Crazy Ivan submarine maneuvers is how he made a fool of a man who calls himself a great trainer!!! How in the F can you claim to be a great trainer when you do not know to protect yourself at all times? You think Charlie retreating is the end of that shit??? Think again old man as here comes Crazy Ivan and the forever videos of you getting busted upside your head by Charlie Zelenoff.
Emanuel Steward would have never been landed on by Charlie Z. Never in a million years could Charlie out smart him like he did the Mayweather's and Wilder. That Mayweather gym is forever a place of shame after such pathetic boxing knowledge gets put on display and the trainers there cannot even practice protecting themselves at all times.
Floyd Jr. cannot be trusted to help Wilder. They all got embarrassed and outsmarted by a man who is widely considered by most boxing fans and historians to be one of the biggest boxing fools of all time in Charlie. The Floyd Jr. apple is rotten for training after the way his father tree was outfoxed and forever sullied their training names.
The only way to beat the Kronk eyes that Sugar Hill and Tyson Fury have right now....I'll give cousin Andy an eye too.....is to get the sharpest Kronk eye of them all on your side....Mark Messer. The Kronk eyes tricked Wilder and his bad training teams. They beefed Tyson up and came offensive and the blind crews of Wilder responded by bulking him up and destroying his legs and, stamina and power with upper body muscles.![]()
That shit is embarrassing man. You have a monster that can stay in the pocket all the way to the last round and still put Fury on his arse after a long hard fight. Then you destroy him the only way the monster can be destroyed. You add upper body muscles to steal the oxygen from his tiny legs. Once may be an accident but twice is insanity.
That gap between myself and Floyd Mayweather Jr. is so large in terms of ability to train Wilder to beat Tyson Fury that he will have to call me Mark "Money" Messer anytime he is in my presence.
I just wanted to put this out there as there are lots of vultures like Floyd Jr out there right now trying to get a piece of the Wilder team. None of them have the proper Kronk eye for the job besides me. I am Wilder's only hope for vindication.
So many disagreed with my idea of attacking Fury's body. What do I know. Tell you what, huge size difference between Fury and Usyk, but Usyk may take Fury into deep waters. Fury was gassed half way through vs Wilder. South paw, much better boxer, and far superior footwork.Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 13:06Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
I give some credit to Malik Scott for getting Wilder into better shape for fight 3 even though they killed his body with the upper body weight his little legs cannot carry. I also give Scott some credit for Wilder starting out with a good body attack.
But Wilder abandoned the body attack and then the extra muscle killed his chances by the end of round 5. That shit is Scott's fault entirely.
If I have to smack the piss out of Wilder in the corner between rounds to get him back to attacking the body I will. If I have to lock him in a cell and starve him to drop the weight I will. No half arse amount of training and preparation will do. Wilder needs somebody to take complete control of everything and to force him to just shut his mouth and follow orders. I'm the only guy around who will do that and enforce all the laws that Wilder and his garbage teams and trainers have been breaking.
Wilder will probably not like me until Fury is flat on his back and not getting up. But 20 years from now when he looks back on his career all of the credit will go to Kronk Mark Messer style training being the only way to defeat the Kronk Sugar Hill Fury style. Wilder has no hope without me and is guaranteed nothing but success with me. But I will have to beat him up physically and mentally to eliminate all the deranged thoughts he will have about continuing to try and self manage his ways even after multiple complete failures clearly show he is absolutely insane trying to repeat those same mistakes.
We are gonna bust Fury's guts all over the ring after I straighten out all the physical and mental BS that is plaguing DeOntay Wilder right now.
Yeah, it's easy to execute what you learn in the gym at the first bell, but to perform that way when the heat is on is another matter altogether. We resort back to what we know and have been doing all along.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:13 wilder started jabbing to the body, then it went out the door for a couple minutes. ppl were saying you cant teach him new trricks and they were right
he'll be close to 37 when he fights next, never having shown much stlystic change in 45 fights, its not gonna happen
Glad you brought that up. Good call. I was one who wrongly disagreed.Bandog wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:10So many disagreed with my idea of attacking Fury's body. What do I know. Tell you what, huge size difference between Fury and Usyk, but Usyk may take Fury into deep waters. Fury was gassed half way through vs Wilder. South paw, much better boxer, and far superior footwork.Kronkpride wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 13:06Fury will be saying the same thing to me after the Quad fest.
I give some credit to Malik Scott for getting Wilder into better shape for fight 3 even though they killed his body with the upper body weight his little legs cannot carry. I also give Scott some credit for Wilder starting out with a good body attack.
But Wilder abandoned the body attack and then the extra muscle killed his chances by the end of round 5. That shit is Scott's fault entirely.
If I have to smack the piss out of Wilder in the corner between rounds to get him back to attacking the body I will. If I have to lock him in a cell and starve him to drop the weight I will. No half arse amount of training and preparation will do. Wilder needs somebody to take complete control of everything and to force him to just shut his mouth and follow orders. I'm the only guy around who will do that and enforce all the laws that Wilder and his garbage teams and trainers have been breaking.
Wilder will probably not like me until Fury is flat on his back and not getting up. But 20 years from now when he looks back on his career all of the credit will go to Kronk Mark Messer style training being the only way to defeat the Kronk Sugar Hill Fury style. Wilder has no hope without me and is guaranteed nothing but success with me. But I will have to beat him up physically and mentally to eliminate all the deranged thoughts he will have about continuing to try and self manage his ways even after multiple complete failures clearly show he is absolutely insane trying to repeat those same mistakes.
We are gonna bust Fury's guts all over the ring after I straighten out all the physical and mental BS that is plaguing DeOntay Wilder right now.
He won a round on that, by he abandoned it with an end of the round, after he received a solid right hand to the opened head.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:56 there is no way he'd be able to committ to a body attack, people were right to disagree, it simply was never going to happen and they were right, he abandoned it after like a minute or two
Yes he did. And could win more rounds on a body attack to Fury. Fury is slick up top. But he has a massive trunk target that does not move like his upper half. DeOntay early on even when too big up top carries big power and going to the body consistently for him would work. Tyson would start backing off.DrDuke wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 02:07He won a round on that, by he abandoned it with an end of the round, after he received a solid right hand to the opened head.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 21:56 there is no way he'd be able to committ to a body attack, people were right to disagree, it simply was never going to happen and they were right, he abandoned it after like a minute or two
He was size sabotaged for this fight. And Scott was more of a buddy than a trainer. With a hard nosed trainer he can do it. Or he gets the piss slapped out of him between rounds instead of resting.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan.
Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
hard combinations at the body .........not going to happen, he doesn't do combinations beyond 1-2 and he doesnt committ to the bodyKronkpride wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:15Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
He's got the solid jab to the body....he can double the jab some...he can follow with the big right down stairs...that is the main one to rinse and repeat. If Fury is taking steps back though then the 1 2 3 left hook to the body. Wilder can do all that. He would be a real monster doing it too. Way more of his power thrown would land. People get off the hook way too often on his shots because he doesn't do it. But he can do it.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:16hard combinations at the body .........not going to happen, he doesn't do combinations beyond 1-2 and he doesnt committ to the bodyKronkpride wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:15Jabs are good and he can land those all day.....hard shots though and hard combination shots at the body too. They will land so much more often and land hard for him.margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Oct 2021, 00:06 no chance he ever becomes a committed body puncher, jusst like how he failed to do tht this fight after apparently making it the focus of his gameplan. the jab to the body was there for about 2 minutes and then disappeared once fury started coming back with some good shots
I think the body punches were intended to set-up the overhand right – a two-punch combination, where the first blow was merely a distraction.
Fair play Bandog you did, and I agree with you about Wilder v Ruiz or Whyte / Wallin.Bandog wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 18:50I have congratulated Fury, admitted he is better, and admitted I was wrong. What more do you want?margaret thatcher wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 18:26and then if wilder wins, wilder-fury 4.
wilder surely wins next time, right?
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