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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:30

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:27

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 11:55
Canelo was 15½ years of age when gained a split decision victory over a future IBF lightweight world champion, Miguel Vazquez, in only his third outing.

Both men were competing at 140lbs at the time of this bout, which is 28lbs lighter than the super-middleweight limit or at least 50lbs lighter than the WBC's cruiserweight limit.

Anyway, four years later, Miguel Vazquez subsequently engaged in eight IBF world lightweight title fights (only losing one of them by split decision), enjoyed a world title reign spanning more than four years, with seven of his career bouts to-date against world champions.

Therefore, Canelo defeated his first world champion in the paid ranks more than a year prior to the age David Benavidez made his pro debut.

Canelo was 20½ years of age when he captured his first world title.

A gentle reminder of Canelo's achievements when he reached 25 years of age:

Canelo had already engaged in 49 bouts, won world titles in two weight divisions, competed in ten world title fights, with the Mexican having fought world champions during ten of his contests (three of them were Hall-of-Famers - two were members of the pound-for-pound elite at the time of those fights).

I guess in your world insincerely theatrical emojis is an effective debating ploy used to undermine real-world facts?

Good for you kid!

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:36No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:31Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:20

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:36No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

I think what you’re really trying to say is that facts upset you. And you’re demanding that I respect my elders, even those that are always wrong!

For instance:

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:31Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Surely you mean, someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo?

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

And yet you still claim Canelo is ducking David Benavidez?

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:20

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:36No, just disgusted and bored by your narcissistic rants and spins. By the way, I started following boxing in the late 60's. I doubt if you can even remember not having a cell phone or the internet.

I think what you’re really trying to say is that facts upset you. And you’re demanding that I respect my elders, even those that are always wrong!

For instance:

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 12:31Mall effectivley ducked Benevidez by challenging him at 160, knowing he can barely make 168.

Surely you mean, someone that’s merely a contender at 168lbs, David Benavidez, rejected the opportunity to engage in a PPV event, which would have been a 164lbs catchweight bout against the current WBC world champion at 160lbs, Jermall Charlo?

And instead of engaging in a PPV event against Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez chose to compete in lacklustre meaningless bouts against mediocre opposition, such as Ronald Ellis and Kyrone Davis.

And yet you still claim Canelo is ducking David Benavidez?

He's more than a contender. He is a 2x champ, and the youngest smw champ in history at 20, turning pro at 16. He struggles to make 168. Wtf would he drain himself lower for a non title fight, when Charlo is perfectly fine fighting Canelo at 168?

You idiots keep chirping about Davis, but he was a replacement for a much better guy. Not his fault.

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:56 Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:14

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:56 Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

So is that your way of admitting that Charlo never demanded Benavidez face him at 160lbs?

You’re conceding to either intentionally lying or fabricating facetious claims without bothering to perform any fact-checking?

So what’s it to be? That link definitely fails to support your original claim.

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:28

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 14:14

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 13:56 Mall first said he'd fight at 168, then he'd fight at 160, then brought up the catch weight.
https://3kingsboxing.com/jermall-charlo ... o-problem/

So is that your way of admitting that Charlo never demanded Benavidez face him at 160lbs?

You’re conceding to either intentionally lying or fabricating facetious claims without bothering to perform any fact-checking?

So what’s it to be? That link definitely fails to support your original claim.

Look, I'll type as slow as I can, so even a doofus like you can understand. The article quoted Charlo, saying "If he can make 160 we can fight." Charlo then said about a catch weight. This is all After first saying he would go to 168. He's been backpedaling ever since. Benevidez never agreed to fight at a catch weight, and was holding Charlo to his word. Charlo started the beef, then said Benevidez brought nothing to the table...but then fought a much lesser opponent, that brought nothing to the table in Monteil.

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 16:45 If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 19:25

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 16:45 If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

You don't produce written contracts to be signed until all the main stipulations have been agreed verbally. I guess this is the case for all significant business transactions involving millions of dollars, don't you agree?

Here's Benavidez's own words rejecting Charlo's offer to engage in a catchweight bout:

“I never said anything about Jermall Charlo. The only thing I said was I’d like to get a fight with him, and then he did an interview and said he’ll knock me out and break my neck.

“He wants to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to go down...” Benavidez said.

You previously claimed that Charlo "ducked" Benavidez by demanding that David compete at 160lbs, but now that you've been bombarded with all sorts of evidence and quotes, it seems you've finally conceded the fact that it never happened!

So I'm glad you've demonstrated an ability to learn!

On a separate note, but related to our discussions in this thread, were you impressed by Canelo's first victory over Miguel Vazquez?

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 20:33

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 19:25

Bandog wrote: ↑24 Nov 2021, 16:45 If Charlo says if Benevidez can make 160 they can fight, and mentions or a catchweight, after saying earlier he would fight at 168, like I posted earlier, nothing is out of context.

Me using the word demanded may have been wrong, but would be appropriate if I said 160 or a catchweight. Charlo refused the fight at 168. Either way, he knew Benevidez couldn't make it, effectively killing the fight.

There was no contract or agreement, so you saying DB chose to not do a PPV event is a lie, because none existed. Trolling as usual. The latest quote from Mall was "Why should I fight Benevidez, I'm already rich!."

You don't produce written contracts to be signed until all the main stipulations have been agreed verbally. I guess this is the case for all significant business transactions involving millions of dollars, don't you agree?

Here's Benavidez's own words rejecting Charlo's offer to engage in a catchweight bout:

“I never said anything about Jermall Charlo. The only thing I said was I’d like to get a fight with him, and then he did an interview and said he’ll knock me out and break my neck.

“He wants to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to do a catchweight. I didn’t say I was going to go down...” Benavidez said.

You previously claimed that Charlo "ducked" Benavidez by demanding that David compete at 160lbs, but now that you've been bombarded with all sorts of evidence and quotes, it seems you've finally conceded the fact that it never happened!

So I'm glad you've demonstrated an ability to learn!

On a separate note, but related to our discussions in this thread, were you impressed by Canelo's first victory over Miguel Vazquez?

I honestly feel sorry for you dude. You have obvious mental health issues. I'd agree with you, but we'd bith be wrong. Carry on.

My apologies to the foum for getting in a pissing match with a skunk, and wasting time and space.