Current all time greats?

[KiwiRider]

Chocolatito.

Boots Ennis has potential to be a once in a generation talent at 147-154.

I think Fury is flirting with ATG status if he can string a few more big title defenses together. Especially if he meets and defeats Usyk, which he should.

You’re right forgot Ennis and Vergil both definitely have that potential.

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

Top wins are Klitchko and Wilder.
Not exactly a top resume compared to multi weight or 4 belt unified guys.
He is an ATG on twitter, but so is Jake Paul

[adislav123]

was his shoulder injured in the lopez fight or not?

did he really have surgery the day after the fight?

that could partly explain his reluctance to throw anything for the first half of the fight.

his delusion in thinking he still won that fight remains mindboggling.

fact is, something was way off with him in the first 6 rounds against Lopez.

like loma in a koma.

[Tony1244]

You’re right forgot Ennis and Vergil both definitely have that potential.

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

Top wins are Klitchko and Wilder.
Not exactly a top resume compared to multi weight or 4 belt unified guys.
He is an ATG on twitter, but so is Jake Paul

OMG comparing Tyson Fury to Jake Paul. There are so many weight divisions I'm surprised there isn't one for each 1/2 ounce. Don't get me wrong, the other names listed are great fighters but everyone and his brother has some sort of title.

[apollo creed]

Loma has to get his belts back and get another win against a top 135 pounder like Haney or Garcia or Tank.

[KiwiRider]

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

Top wins are Klitchko and Wilder.
Not exactly a top resume compared to multi weight or 4 belt unified guys.
He is an ATG on twitter, but so is Jake Paul

OMG comparing Tyson Fury to Jake Paul. There are so many weight divisions I'm surprised there isn't one for each 1/2 ounce. Don't get me wrong, the other names listed are great fighters but everyone and his brother has some sort of title.

just a joke Tony. The battle of the social media titans, Fury vs Paul.

[Mexi-Box]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

[Tony1244]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

That Ukrainian National Dancing is damn effective.

[Mexi-Box]

Loma has to get his belts back and get another win against a top 135 pounder like Haney or Garcia or Tank.

Haney isn't the route, nor is Tank. Tank got exposed against Cruz, and Haney is a lateral move at best from Nicolas Walters.

At this point, Lomachenko's only route is to move up to 140. He really needed that Mikey Garcia fight, who was his p4p contemporary, but he got the second-best fight against Lopez and lost. His time has came and went.

Again, years into his boxing career, his best win is still his early win over GRJ. His resume has also aged like warm milk. Compare this to his countryman Usyk. All of Usyk's wins are still relevant at CW. Outside of GRJ, all of Lomachenko's wins have become irrelevant.

[Mexi-Box]

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

That Ukrainian National Dancing is damn effective.

I guess dancing around for 6 rounds against Lopez to avoid getting knocked out comes in handy.

[DrDuke]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

A lot ATGs had losses more decisive than he had.

[squiggy]

Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG?

Uh... What does it *not* have to do with it?

[squiggy]

You brought the losses up, after all.

[Mexi-Box]

You brought the losses up, after all.

They were clear losses, and only the utmost Lomachenko fans seem to think otherwise. Regardless, I don't understand how the word decisive means anything in this context. So if they weren't clear losses in your eyes they don't mean anything? Doesn't make sense to me and isn't how boxing works.

Let me put it how this conversation went:

Me: "Lomachenko doesn't belong in this conversation his best win is GRJ and he has 2 losses."
You: "Yeah but those weren't decisive losses."

Bringing up that they weren't decisive losses doesn't address the fact that his best win is still GRJ and his 2 "non-decisive losses" weren't against someone on the level of Golovkin or Sor Rungivisai, they were to Lopez and Salido, Lopez of which loses to an average fighter like Kambosos immediately afterwards. All in context, this doesn't make a fighter anywhere near ATG status. Again, it doesn't make sense talking about those fights being decisive or non-decisive when the cold-hard facts are that he suffered those as losses.

[tiny_acres]

You brought the losses up, after all.

They were clear losses, and only the utmost Lomachenko fans seem to think otherwise. Regardless, I don't understand how the word decisive means anything in this context. So if they weren't clear losses in your eyes they don't mean anything? Doesn't make sense to me and isn't how boxing works.

Let me put it how this conversation went:

Me: "Lomachenko doesn't belong in this conversation his best win is GRJ and he has 2 losses."
You: "Yeah but those weren't decisive losses."

Bringing up that they weren't decisive losses doesn't address the fact that his best win is still GRJ and his 2 "non-decisive losses" weren't against someone on the level of Golovkin or Sor Rungivisai, they were to Lopez and Salido, Lopez of which loses to an average fighter like Kambosos immediately afterwards. All in context, this doesn't make a fighter anywhere near ATG status. Again, it doesn't make sense talking about those fights being decisive or non-decisive when the cold-hard facts are that he suffered those as losses.

I have to agree with Mexi-box on this. Lonenchenko is an elite fighter but I do not consider him an all time great pro. I think he was over hyped from the beginning with people calling him an all time great at the start of his career. No one could live up to the expectations.
I can't see anything he could do at 34 to expand his resume to all time great status

[margaret thatcher]

another over hyped euro boi ?