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Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 12:19

TonyJ wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 20:39

bobcatbox wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 20:26 Chocolatito.

Boots Ennis has potential to be a once in a generation talent at 147-154.

I think Fury is flirting with ATG status if he can string a few more big title defenses together. Especially if he meets and defeats Usyk, which he should.

You’re right forgot Ennis and Vergil both definitely have that potential.

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 14:13

Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 12:19

TonyJ wrote: ↑28 Nov 2021, 20:39

You’re right forgot Ennis and Vergil both definitely have that potential.

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

Top wins are Klitchko and Wilder.
Not exactly a top resume compared to multi weight or 4 belt unified guys.
He is an ATG on twitter, but so is Jake Paul

Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 14:45

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 14:13

Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 12:19

I am impartial to the HWs but no Fury?

Top wins are Klitchko and Wilder.
Not exactly a top resume compared to multi weight or 4 belt unified guys.
He is an ATG on twitter, but so is Jake Paul

OMG comparing Tyson Fury to Jake Paul. There are so many weight divisions I'm surprised there isn't one for each 1/2 ounce. Don't get me wrong, the other names listed are great fighters but everyone and his brother has some sort of title.

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:45

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:42 Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 15:38

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:45

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:42 Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

apollo creed wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 14:52 Loma has to get his belts back and get another win against a top 135 pounder like Haney or Garcia or Tank.

Tony1244 wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 15:43

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 15:38

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:45

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

That Ukrainian National Dancing is damn effective.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 15:38

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:45

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:42 Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG? He objectively lost to 2 guys and doesn't have the resume to be anywhere near a discussion for ATG. You can say Donaire, Gonzalez, Usyk, but Lomachenko is a footnote compared to what they achieved. As I said in another thread, Lomachenko is 1-2 in top fights. Good fighter, but he'll be more remembered for his Ukrainian National Dancing (lol) than as an ATG.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 15:38

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:45

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 13:42 Guys saying Lomachenko need to sit down! His best win is GRJ and has 2 losses to an old, past prime Salido and Lopez who goes on to lost to Kamboso who is average at best.

Loma isn't in the top-5 of my current ATGs, but those losses weren't decisive, especially the Salido one, his second pro-fight.

What does this have to do with anyone saying Lomachenko is an ATG?

squiggy wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 16:20 You brought the losses up, after all.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 16:40

squiggy wrote: ↑12 Dec 2021, 16:20 You brought the losses up, after all.

They were clear losses, and only the utmost Lomachenko fans seem to think otherwise. Regardless, I don't understand how the word decisive means anything in this context. So if they weren't clear losses in your eyes they don't mean anything? Doesn't make sense to me and isn't how boxing works.

Let me put it how this conversation went:

Me: "Lomachenko doesn't belong in this conversation his best win is GRJ and he has 2 losses."
You: "Yeah but those weren't decisive losses."

Bringing up that they weren't decisive losses doesn't address the fact that his best win is still GRJ and his 2 "non-decisive losses" weren't against someone on the level of Golovkin or Sor Rungivisai, they were to Lopez and Salido, Lopez of which loses to an average fighter like Kambosos immediately afterwards. All in context, this doesn't make a fighter anywhere near ATG status. Again, it doesn't make sense talking about those fights being decisive or non-decisive when the cold-hard facts are that he suffered those as losses.