Is Demetrius Andrade ducking Janibek Alimkhanuly?

[Enlightened-One]

The President of Golden Boy Promotions, Eric Gomez, is adamant about not receiving an offer from Demetrius Andrade’s handlers to make the fight against Jaime Munguia.

For the record, Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia are fellow DAZN stablemates.

However, Eddie Hearn keeps telling the media that none of the top-tier world-rated middleweights (either aligned with DAZN or the PBC) want to fight Demetrius Andrade.

But if Matchroom aren’t submitting offers to GBP, then how can Eddie Hearn claim he’s trying his upmost to make meaningful bouts for Andrade?

To plagiarise words uttered by Jermall Charlo and Canelo, is Demetrius Andrade such a “horrible” to watch commercially unpopular fighter that even his own promoter refuses to invest in meaningful bouts?

[Ruthless-RKO]

The President of Golden Boy Promotions, Eric Gomez, is adamant about not receiving an offer from Demetrius Andrade’s handlers to make the fight against Jaime Munguia.

For the record, Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia are fellow DAZN stablemates.

However, Eddie Hearn keeps telling the media that none of the top-tier world-rated middleweights (either aligned with DAZN or the PBC) want to fight Demetrius Andrade.

But if Matchroom aren’t submitting offers to GBP, then how can Eddie Hearn claim he’s trying his upmost to make meaningful bouts for Andrade?

To plagiarise words uttered by Jermall Charlo and Canelo, is Demetrius Andrade such a “horrible” to watch commercially unpopular fighter that even his own promoter refuses to invest in meaningful bouts?

You can't force someone to fight can you.

[Enlightened-One]

The President of Golden Boy Promotions, Eric Gomez, is adamant about not receiving an offer from Demetrius Andrade’s handlers to make the fight against Jaime Munguia.

For the record, Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia are fellow DAZN stablemates.

However, Eddie Hearn keeps telling the media that none of the top-tier world-rated middleweights (either aligned with DAZN or the PBC) want to fight Demetrius Andrade.

But if Matchroom aren’t submitting offers to GBP, then how can Eddie Hearn claim he’s trying his upmost to make meaningful bouts for Andrade?

To plagiarise words uttered by Jermall Charlo and Canelo, is Demetrius Andrade such a “horrible” to watch commercially unpopular fighter that even his own promoter refuses to invest in meaningful bouts?

You can't force someone to fight can you.

I don’t know what to think to be honest.

All I know is that it’s clear that Eddie Hearn isn’t making offers to some of the fighters he accuses of ducking Andrade.

However, Eddie Hearn is making offers to other fighters that aren’t world-rated, and they’re being accepted.

In my mind, Eddie Hearn can’t claim he’s doing his best to orchestrate meaningful fights for Andrade if he isn’t making offers to Boo Boo’s big-name rivals.

If offers were being made, the sums were disclosed and they were being rejected, then it’ll be easy to defend Andrade.

But that’s not what’s happening, is it?

Eddie Hearn hasn’t attempted to make the Munguia fight, because he hasn’t even submitted an offer.

Eddie Hearn is allowing the Alimkhanuly fight go to purse bids without even attempting to make an offer to Top Rank, which means the Matchroom boss is more than happy for Demetrius to compete on rival networks (assuming Boo Boo doesn’t vacate).

[Ruthless-RKO]

The President of Golden Boy Promotions, Eric Gomez, is adamant about not receiving an offer from Demetrius Andrade’s handlers to make the fight against Jaime Munguia.

For the record, Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia are fellow DAZN stablemates.

However, Eddie Hearn keeps telling the media that none of the top-tier world-rated middleweights (either aligned with DAZN or the PBC) want to fight Demetrius Andrade.

But if Matchroom aren’t submitting offers to GBP, then how can Eddie Hearn claim he’s trying his upmost to make meaningful bouts for Andrade?

To plagiarise words uttered by Jermall Charlo and Canelo, is Demetrius Andrade such a “horrible” to watch commercially unpopular fighter that even his own promoter refuses to invest in meaningful bouts?

You can't force someone to fight can you.

I don’t know what to think to be honest.

All I know is that it’s clear that Eddie Hearn isn’t making offers to some of the fighters he accuses of ducking Andrade.

However, Eddie Hearn is making offers to other fighters that aren’t world-rated, and they’re being accepted.

In my mind, Eddie Hearn can’t claim he’s doing his best to orchestrate meaningful fights for Andrade if he isn’t making offers to Boo Boo’s big-name rivals.

If offers were being made, the sums were disclosed and they were being rejected, then it’ll be easy to defend Andrade.

But that’s not what’s happening, is it?

Eddie Hearn hasn’t attempted to make the Munguia fight, because he hasn’t even submitted an offer.

Eddie Hearn is allowing the Alimkhanuly fight go to purse bids without even attempting to make an offer to Top Rank, which means the Matchroom boss is more than happy for Demetrius to compete on rival networks (assuming Boo Boo doesn’t vacate).

We fans, can't be sure can we?

Unless Hearn has himself stated that he HAS or HASN'T submitted an offer, we'd be guessing.

Unless someone has asked him and he's either avoided the question or answered it.

You come across any videos?

[Enlightened-One]

You can't force someone to fight can you.

I don’t know what to think to be honest.

All I know is that it’s clear that Eddie Hearn isn’t making offers to some of the fighters he accuses of ducking Andrade.

However, Eddie Hearn is making offers to other fighters that aren’t world-rated, and they’re being accepted.

In my mind, Eddie Hearn can’t claim he’s doing his best to orchestrate meaningful fights for Andrade if he isn’t making offers to Boo Boo’s big-name rivals.

If offers were being made, the sums were disclosed and they were being rejected, then it’ll be easy to defend Andrade.

But that’s not what’s happening, is it?

Eddie Hearn hasn’t attempted to make the Munguia fight, because he hasn’t even submitted an offer.

Eddie Hearn is allowing the Alimkhanuly fight go to purse bids without even attempting to make an offer to Top Rank, which means the Matchroom boss is more than happy for Demetrius to compete on rival networks (assuming Boo Boo doesn’t vacate).

We fans, can't be sure can we?

Unless Hearn has himself stated that he HAS or HASN'T submitted an offer, we'd be guessing.

Unless someone has asked him and he's either avoided the question or answered it.

You come across any videos?

Eddie Hearn only claims that Munguia was once Andrade's highest-rated contender and was in line to fight Boo Boo at some point, due to his status with the WBO, but ultimately "didn't want the fight", because he went down the WBC route instead.

Hearn never actually claimed to have made an offer to GBP, which was subsequently declined.

Like most of us, I watch a lot of Eddie Hearn interviews (he loves the cameras) and he's very good at putting a positive spin on things without actually lying. He's very persuasive and can make people believe "something" without actually making false derogatory claims and without telling the entire truth.

However, we know for certain that Eric Gomez has claimed he's not received an offer from Matchroom. And there are videos of the GBP president confirming this.

Eddie Hearn keeps saying that none of the middleweights aligned with DAZN want to fight Andrade (there are videos of this), but he always falls short of claiming they rejected offers. And I think it's because he hasn't made any.

Perhaps he knows it'll be a waste of time doing so, either because these guys genuinely don't want the fight, or because Hearn knows they'll want more money than Matchroom are willing to fork out.

Regardless, Eddie Hearn can’t claim he’s doing his best to orchestrate meaningful fights for Andrade if he isn’t at least making offers to Boo Boo’s big-name rivals.

Eddie Hearn previously claimed on video to be losing money staging Andrade's fights (when he was sympathising with Bob Arum's complaints about Terence Crawford). And I think that Matchroom are reluctant to heavily invest in a commercially unpopular fighter like Boo Boo.

[Bandog]

By far the most meaningful fight for both Andrade and Mall Charlo at 160 is to unify and fight each other. Only one of them is willing to fight though. Is Charlo afraid that losing will kill his chances of a Canelo fight? Is Charlo ducking Andrade?

In the meantime...EO is doing research to find a way to spin that Charlo is not ducking Andrade. This should be classic.

[Enlightened-One]

I forgot to add this note, Eddie Hearn tried lobbying the WBO to allow Andrade to vacate his middleweight strap (avoiding the Alimkhanuly fight), in order to face Zach Parker for their interim 168lbs strap, but the long-time president of the WBO, Francisco ‘Paco’ Valcarcel, blocked this move.

Therefore, the Andrade-Alimkhanuly purse bid will still take at midday on the 14th January.

Eddie Hearn really doesn’t want Andrade to fight Alimkhanuly!

[Enlightened-One]

By far the most meaningful fight for both Andrade and Mall Charlo at 160 is to unify and fight each other.

Canelo?

In the meantime...EO is doing research to find a way to spin that Charlo is not ducking Andrade. This should be classic.

Canelo and Jermall Charlo are currently in talks for a fight staged in Texas that will take place during Cinco De Mayo weekend.

The PBC originally tried making this fight towards the end of 2019, when they offered Canelo a two-fight deal.

On a separate note, Eddie Hearn tried lobbying the WBO to allow Andrade to vacate his middleweight strap, in order to face Zach Parker for their interim 168lbs strap, but the long-time president of the WBO, Francisco ‘Paco’ Valcarcel, blocked this move.

Therefore, the Andrade-Alimkhanuly purse bid will take at midday on the 14th January.

Even if the purse bid does go ahead, Andrade will still be allowed to refuse to fight Alimkhanuly.

Eddie Hearn really doesn’t want Andrade to fight Alimkhanuly!

I’ve never seen a promoter go to such extremes to prevent his fighter facing his mandatory challenger, have you?

[Enlightened-One]

I don’t know how true Parker’s claims are in this video, but we do know for certain that the WBO president said he couldn’t wait any longer on Andrade’s decision to face Zach for their vacant interim strap, so he eventually blocked the American's request, and said that Demetrius still had to go through with the purse bid for the Alimkhanuly bout.



For the record, Zach Parker is promoted by Queensberry, whereas Andrade is promoted by Matchroom USA.

Regardless, despite Andrade claiming he’s the new boogeyman of the middleweight division, it’s clear that Alimkhanuly and Parker are both eager to face him, but Demetrius' feelings don't appear to be mutual.

[margaret thatcher]

man, i hope its not true demetrius, its looking a lot like you dont want that heat from good opponents. instead he lately wants opponents who were stopped by guys jamie munguia easily beat

[Enlightened-One]

If Demetrius Andrade vacates his WBO middleweight crown, could we eventually see Zhanibek Alimkhanuly facing Jaime Munguia for the vacant title?

According to the WBO's rankings, that would be the case, but I really don't think the Mexican would be willing to face the southpaw Kazakhstani.

[margaret thatcher]

it would be a good fight, hopefully those 2 warriors lock horns if demetrius runs off with a boo boo

[Bandog]

If Demetrius Andrade vacates his WBO middleweight crown, could we eventually see Zhanibek Alimkhanuly facing Jaime Munguia for the vacant title?

According to the WBO's rankings, that would be the case, but I really don't think the Mexican would be willing to face the southpaw Kazakhstani.

If Munguia doesn't have the balls to fight Andrade, I doubt if he fights Alimkhauly. He's already been offered a shot at the belt. He's waiting on GGG to get older I guess.

[margaret thatcher]

a belt held by a guy who seems not to want to face his mandatory. who knows if mung would even gotten a shot.

[Bandog]

If Demetrius Andrade vacates his WBO middleweight crown, could we eventually see Zhanibek Alimkhanuly facing Jaime Munguia for the vacant title?

According to the WBO's rankings, that would be the case, but I really don't think the Mexican would be willing to face the southpaw Kazakhstani.

To be honest, Munguia shouldn't be allowed to fight for the vacant title, since he refused to fight Andrade, and gave up his Mando to Alimkhanuly. Make him work his way back up.

[Enlightened-One]

If Demetrius Andrade vacates his WBO middleweight crown, could we eventually see Zhanibek Alimkhanuly facing Jaime Munguia for the vacant title?

According to the WBO's rankings, that would be the case, but I really don't think the Mexican would be willing to face the southpaw Kazakhstani.

To be honest, Munguia shouldn't be allowed to fight for the vacant title, since he refused to fight Andrade, and gave up his Mando to Alimkhanuly. Make him work his way back up.

Jaime Munguia was simply the highest-rated contender for the WBO. He wasn't a WBO super champion either.

The WBO didn’t mandate a bout between Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia.

Eddie Hearn conceded that he never attempted to initiate contract discussions with Jaime Munguia’s team.

And the president of GBP, Eric Gomez (Munguia’s promoter), said they never received an offer from Matchroom.

So I don’t understand the reason why people feel Munguia ducked Andrade.

For sure, it’s feasible… it’s just that there’s no real evidence of this ever happening... or at least, I can't find any... and believe me, I've looked.

Put it this way, I'd love to see Andrade facing anyone better than the likes of the likes of Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa... and Munguia fits the bill.

[Bandog]

If Demetrius Andrade vacates his WBO middleweight crown, could we eventually see Zhanibek Alimkhanuly facing Jaime Munguia for the vacant title?

According to the WBO's rankings, that would be the case, but I really don't think the Mexican would be willing to face the southpaw Kazakhstani.

To be honest, Munguia shouldn't be allowed to fight for the vacant title, since he refused to fight Andrade, and gave up his Mando to Alimkhanuly. Make him work his way back up.

Jaime Munguia was simply the highest-rated contender for the WBO. He wasn't a WBO super champion either.

The WBO didn’t mandate a bout between Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia.

Eddie Hearn conceded that he never attempted to initiate contract discussions with Jaime Munguia’s team.

And the president of GBP, Eric Gomez (Munguia’s promoter), said they never received an offer from Matchroom.

So I don’t understand the reason why people feel Munguia ducked Andrade.

For sure, it’s feasible… it’s just that there’s no real evidence of this ever happening... or at least, I can't find any... and believe me, I've looked.

Put it this way, I'd love to see Andrade facing anyone better than the likes of the likes of Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa... and Munguia fits the bill.

Munguia moving up was automatically Andrade's mandatory, and turned it down. He gave it up because he wasn't confident of winning. Andrade has defended against and won against anyone put in front of him. Unfortunately, guys like Mall Charlo and GGG don't want to fight him. He wants to unify at this point in his career. That used to be admirable.

Why not start a thread asking if Charlo is ducking Andrade? That is obvious. You accused Andrade of ducking a month before it could possibly be true, because of your obvious hate for him.

[Enlightened-One]

To be honest, Munguia shouldn't be allowed to fight for the vacant title, since he refused to fight Andrade, and gave up his Mando to Alimkhanuly. Make him work his way back up.

Jaime Munguia was simply the highest-rated contender for the WBO. He wasn't a WBO super champion either.

The WBO didn’t mandate a bout between Demetrius Andrade and Jaime Munguia.

Eddie Hearn conceded that he never attempted to initiate contract discussions with Jaime Munguia’s team.

And the president of GBP, Eric Gomez (Munguia’s promoter), said they never received an offer from Matchroom.

So I don’t understand the reason why people feel Munguia ducked Andrade.

For sure, it’s feasible… it’s just that there’s no real evidence of this ever happening... or at least, I can't find any... and believe me, I've looked.

Put it this way, I'd love to see Andrade facing anyone better than the likes of the likes of Jason Quigley, Liam Williams, Luke Keeler, Maciej Sulecki, Artur Akavov and Walter Kautondokwa... and Munguia fits the bill.

Munguia moving up was automatically Andrade's mandatory, and turned it down.

Only WBO world titleholders with super champion status are automatically granted the mandatory challenger position in the higher weight division, but Munguia wasn’t a super champion.

For sure, he could have lobbied for it, but technically speaking he never held that status, so he was never Andrade’s mandatory challenger.

If you disagree, please quote an article detailing the WBO ordering that bout.

You won’t be able to find it, simply because it never happened.

But I don’t mind being proven wrong if you do the research and find proof (sourced directly from the WBO) mandating that bout.

[Rgoodwin]

So basically nothing has really happened yet but Andrade has been ducking this guy?

[Enlightened-One]

So basically nothing has really happened yet but Andrade has been ducking this guy?

The actual discussion relates to whether Andrade is trying to duck Alimkhanuly. The first post in this thread is written in simple English - perhaps you should read it?

And based on Eddie Hearn’s comments about not wanting to make the fight, the timing of Matchroom lobbying the WBC to make Boo Boo the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s title, coupled with their attempts to vacate their WBO 160lbs strap in order to challenge for the WBO’s interim 168lbs title against Zach Parker, clearly proves Andrade’s handlers have at least tried to duck Alimkhanuly.

Matchroom haven't even attempted to negotiate the fight with Top Rank... and the purse bid happens tomorrow.

Any more smart comments you’d like to share?

[Rgoodwin]

So basically nothing has really happened yet but Andrade has been ducking this guy?

The actual discussion relates to whether Andrade is trying to duck Alimkhanuly. The first post in this thread is written in simple English - perhaps you should read it?

And based on Eddie Hearn’s comments about not wanting to make the fight, the timing of Matchroom lobbying the WBC to make Boo Boo the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s title, coupled with their attempts to vacate their WBO 160lbs strap in order to challenge for the WBO’s interim 168lbs title against Zach Parker, clearly proves Andrade’s handlers have at least tried to duck Alimkhanuly.

Matchroom haven't even attempted to negotiate the fight with Top Rank... and the purse bid happens tomorrow.

Any more smart comments you’d like to share?

Yeah it seems like a lot of crying for the sake of crying when we haven't even gotten to purse bids yet.

[Enlightened-One]

So basically nothing has really happened yet but Andrade has been ducking this guy?

The actual discussion relates to whether Andrade is trying to duck Alimkhanuly. The first post in this thread is written in simple English - perhaps you should read it?

And based on Eddie Hearn’s comments about not wanting to make the fight, the timing of Matchroom lobbying the WBC to make Boo Boo the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s title, coupled with their attempts to vacate their WBO 160lbs strap in order to challenge for the WBO’s interim 168lbs title against Zach Parker, clearly proves Andrade’s handlers have at least tried to duck Alimkhanuly.

Matchroom haven't even attempted to negotiate the fight with Top Rank... and the purse bid happens tomorrow.

Any more smart comments you’d like to share?

Yeah it seems like a lot of crying for the sake of crying when we haven't even gotten to purse bids yet.

There's nothing wrong about discussing Eddie Hearn and Demetrius Andrade's attempts to avoid facing Janibek Alimkhanuly.

They've gone to extreme lengths!

If you really want to discuss "crying", then why would Andrade willingly attempt to avoid facing Alimkhanuly and also try to vacate his WBO world title at 160lbs in order to compete against an inferior opponent for an inferior title?

This actually happened within the last week! The WBO and Zach Parker officially confirmed this.

Is that not worth discussing?

[Rgoodwin]

The actual discussion relates to whether Andrade is trying to duck Alimkhanuly. The first post in this thread is written in simple English - perhaps you should read it?

And based on Eddie Hearn’s comments about not wanting to make the fight, the timing of Matchroom lobbying the WBC to make Boo Boo the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s title, coupled with their attempts to vacate their WBO 160lbs strap in order to challenge for the WBO’s interim 168lbs title against Zach Parker, clearly proves Andrade’s handlers have at least tried to duck Alimkhanuly.

Matchroom haven't even attempted to negotiate the fight with Top Rank... and the purse bid happens tomorrow.

Any more smart comments you’d like to share?

Yeah it seems like a lot of crying for the sake of crying when we haven't even gotten to purse bids yet.

There's nothing wrong about discussing Eddie Hearn and Demetrius Andrade's attempts to avoid facing Janibek Alimkhanuly.

They've gone to extreme lengths!

If you really want to discuss "crying", then why would Andrade willingly attempt to avoid facing Alimkhanuly and also try to vacate his WBO world title at 160lbs in order to compete against an inferior opponent for an inferior title?

This actually happened within the last week! The WBO and Zach Parker officially confirmed this.

Is that not worth discussing?

Didn't Mannix say they've had preliminary conversations with Top Rank? I don't buy that this 11-0 guy is someone anybody is running from.

[Enlightened-One]

Yeah it seems like a lot of crying for the sake of crying when we haven't even gotten to purse bids yet.

There's nothing wrong about discussing Eddie Hearn and Demetrius Andrade's attempts to avoid facing Janibek Alimkhanuly.

They've gone to extreme lengths!

If you really want to discuss "crying", then why would Andrade willingly attempt to avoid facing Alimkhanuly and also try to vacate his WBO world title at 160lbs in order to compete against an inferior opponent for an inferior title?

This actually happened within the last week! The WBO and Zach Parker officially confirmed this.

Is that not worth discussing?

Didn't Mannix say they've had preliminary conversations with Top Rank? I don't buy that this 11-0 guy is someone anybody is running from.

Rob Brant and Hassan N'Dam have both beaten Ryota Murata, but then both suffered eighth round KO losses to Zhanibek Alimkhanuly.

Janibek Alimkhanuly’s amateur pedigree (according to the stats cited by The RING) are outrageously impressive (record 300-8; nine-time Kazakhstan national champ, two-time Asian champ; and 2013 World Championship gold medallist)!

He also passes the proverbial eyeball test as well.

He’s a country mile above Andrade’s previous opposition at 160lbs.

[Bandog]

So basically nothing has really happened yet but Andrade has been ducking this guy?

The actual discussion relates to whether Andrade is trying to duck Alimkhanuly. The first post in this thread is written in simple English - perhaps you should read it?

And based on Eddie Hearn’s comments about not wanting to make the fight, the timing of Matchroom lobbying the WBC to make Boo Boo the mandatory challenger to Jermall Charlo’s title, coupled with their attempts to vacate their WBO 160lbs strap in order to challenge for the WBO’s interim 168lbs title against Zach Parker, clearly proves Andrade’s handlers have at least tried to duck Alimkhanuly.

Matchroom haven't even attempted to negotiate the fight with Top Rank... and the purse bid happens tomorrow.

Any more smart comments you’d like to share?

Yeah it seems like a lot of crying for the sake of crying when we haven't even gotten to purse bids yet.

EO crys when it's about someone he dislikes. He also never disses guys he likes, refusing to admit Munguia and Charlo have refused to fight Andrade. Munguia gave up his mandatory status, otherwise the Andrade ducking claim of his new mando wouldn't exist.