Cyclops wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 21:02
stujones wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 20:16
skanksta wrote: ↑13 Dec 2021, 18:24
But Usyk is a lot better than Joshua. He was able to overcome the size.
Fury is bigger AND better than AJ. Of course Usyk is better than Fury,
but not by much. Not enough to counter 2/3 weight divs anyway.
I've bolded the part I disagree with and "how much" is up in the air with two undefeated fighters. I think though Usyk has beaten better fighters P4P. Wilder is crap and Klitchscko, well that was just such an odd occasion and irrespective that was a razor tight fight.
Fury has still only fought 2 half decent opponents and I think we could seriously question the boxing ability of Wilder - An absolutely ancient Oritz was outboxing WIlder and both of his 2 half decent opponents they enjoy fighting as as the "big"guy - not used to being outsized. So Fury could essentially bully them. Usyk has dealt with being the smaller guy on a few occasions now. At first I wasn't sure if he could cope with being the smaller guy, but obviously last time he showed he can - and that could be telling.
I genuinely STILL don't know how good Fury is cos the Heavyweight division is crap - Usyk is the only one with a decent skill set and boxing IQ.
Hmm. Usyk is a much better boxer than AJ but then Fury didn't even get out of second gear against Wlad, who as an old man almost stopped a peak destroyer AJ, and in his prime would have destroyed Joshua. Fury confused the f out of Wlad and didn't even look like being drawn into a fight against the best boxer in the division since Lewis. He's got gears; he can box, he can fight, he can be down on the canvas and still brutalise his way to a win.
I'm a big fan of Fury but he's a clearly on the beer kebabs and cocaine diet right now and probably has been since before Wilder 3. He looks in decline. He can beat Whyte, Usyk and AJ and then retire forever and do as much sniffing and boozing as he likes knowing he'll be in discussion for the best ever. But he can't seem to see even a year out before falling into old habits.
It would be such a shame to come back from the brink like he did and then go back and throw yourself over. But I'm very worried he's going to do it.
Right now I'm picking Usyk, and maybe even maybe Whyte for the upset.
It is alarming how quickly Fury seems to be piling on the weight.
Obviously there's plenty of time until the fight, but doing that to your body between fights has consequences.
He has massive advantages in size, reach, height and power, and so he will be a big favourite going in, but letting himself turn into a fat blimp between fights, improves Usyk's chances.
If Usyk win's he will have to fight a very very smart fight, and I think even then it will be razor thin. I can see Fury actually going back to his more mobile less aggressive style, as it will be hard for Usyk to get scoring opportunities if Tyson uses distance, and feints to keep him off balance.
Going gung-ho against Usyk would be foolish, you don't want to give anybody that skilled and accurate free shots, even when they're a lot smaller than you.
