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tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:09Remember EO's supposed facts.... It is only a fact that Ortiz should take a 20% share or it is a duck.
If any other fighter refuses to take 20% it is because it is not fair and definitely not a duck.

Remember Ortiz is bad

Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz: 'I’ll fight … for just about any money you offer me… I’m here and ready'.

That’s a quote from the Cuban himself.

I’m guessing you personally believe that feelings are far more important than facts?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:49

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:09Remember EO's supposed facts.... It is only a fact that Ortiz should take a 20% share or it is a duck.
If any other fighter refuses to take 20% it is because it is not fair and definitely not a duck.

Remember Ortiz is bad

Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz: 'I’ll fight … for just about any money you offer me… I’m here and ready'.

That’s a quote from the Cuban himself.

I’m guessing you personally believe that feelings are far more important than facts?

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:09

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:49

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:09Remember EO's supposed facts.... It is only a fact that Ortiz should take a 20% share or it is a duck.
If any other fighter refuses to take 20% it is because it is not fair and definitely not a duck.

Remember Ortiz is bad

Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz: 'I’ll fight … for just about any money you offer me… I’m here and ready'.

That’s a quote from the Cuban himself.

I’m guessing you personally believe that feelings are far more important than facts?

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:09

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:49
Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz: 'I’ll fight … for just about any money you offer me… I’m here and ready'.

That’s a quote from the Cuban himself.

I’m guessing you personally believe that feelings are far more important than facts?

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:09

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

LOL! Keep trying. EO is undefeated!

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:52

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48
Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

LOL! Keep trying. EO is undefeated!

I just find humor in the double standards.
I've stated it before and will state it again.

I just rolled could admit their own hypocrisy

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 14:09

Bandog wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 12:52

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 10:57
Tony Yoka isn't ducking Filip Hrgovic.

The Frenchman actually accepted the challenge, but the IBF deemed him as being ineligible due to a contractual dispute with Martin Bakole.

Anyway, it seems you've finally come to terms with the fact that Luis Ortiz ducked Filip Hrgovic.

Is Ortiz the only one that turned it down?

Remember EO's supposed facts.... It is only a fact that Ortiz should take a 20% share or it is a duck.
If any other fighter refuses to take 20% it is because it is not fair and definitely not a duck.

Remember Ortiz is bad

EO got his ass kicked on this one, exposing his hypocrisy. Even the other troll, Thatcher tried to come to his defense.

If you are wrong, admit it ffs. It is hilarious to what length some folks go to to avoid that. Hint: admitting you are wrong helps your credibility. Narcissism is a tough thing to kick.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:09

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

You do realise all I’m doing is using Ortiz’s own words against him?

I even quoted what he said.

I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that.

Why are you defending a man like Ortiz that does the complete opposite of his boasts?

At least Joseph Parker’s team were honest from the get-go.

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:09

It is called Prize fighting..... Not pride fighting
no contender with name recognition is going to take peanuts

Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

the ironic thing is coming to the defense of luis ortiz for this, a guy whose fans absolutely rail on pretty much everyone for supposedly ducking him, accusing fighters left and right for ducking, but are then so f@cking sensitive when luis gets the same criticism lol. some like banny even pm mods they are so butt hurt

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 18:57

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48
Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

the ironic thing is coming to the defense of luis ortiz for this, a guy whose fans absolutely rail on pretty much everyone for supposedly ducking him, accusing fighters left and right for ducking, but are then so f@cking sensitive when luis gets the same criticism lol. some like banny even pm mods they are so butt hurt

It's not even coming to the defense of Ortiz. It is coming to the pointing out of blatant hypocrisy.
Hell when Ortiz faced Martin I was the only one who was backing Martin in the fight picks thread. I don't care about the guy.
Just funny to see the bias in these posts

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 18:54

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48
Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

You do realise all I’m doing is using Ortiz’s own words against him?

I even quoted what he said.

I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that.

Why are you defending a man like Ortiz that does the complete opposite of his boasts?

At least Joseph Parker’s team were honest from the get-go.

How many times over the years have we seen fighters claim they would face so and so for free? How many times have those fights been held up because of money?
Ortiz has a big mouth and and shallow pockets. He talks out his butt. Kind of like certain forum members

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 19:27 How many times over the years have we seen fighters claim they would face so and so for free? How many times have those fights been held up because of money?
Ortiz has a big mouth and and shallow pockets. He talks out his butt.

The stop defending the man!

For sure, Luis Ortiz is a “PRIZE fighter”, but if he lies and pretends to be something else (i.e. a “PRIDE fighter” that’s willing to face anyone any time for any price), then he deserves to be mocked for lying.

I understand what Ortiz is trying to do… garner attention the media, but if he intentionally talks pure utter bûllshît to dishonesty sell himself, then he deserves to be called out on it.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 19:55

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 19:27 How many times over the years have we seen fighters claim they would face so and so for free? How many times have those fights been held up because of money?
Ortiz has a big mouth and and shallow pockets. He talks out his butt.

The stop defending the man!

For sure, Luis Ortiz is a “PRIZE fighter”, but if he lies and pretends to be something else (i.e. a “PRIDE fighter” that’s willing to face anyone any time for any price), then he deserves to be mocked for lying.

I understand what Ortiz is trying to do… garner attention the media, but if he intentionally talks pure utter bûllshît to dishonesty sell himself, then he deserves to be called out on it.

Let me play your game.
Answer my question. How many times has a fighter said they would fight for free?

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 21:26

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 19:55

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 19:27 How many times over the years have we seen fighters claim they would face so and so for free? How many times have those fights been held up because of money?
Ortiz has a big mouth and and shallow pockets. He talks out his butt.

Then stop defending the man!

For sure, Luis Ortiz is a “PRIZE fighter”, but if he lies and pretends to be something else (i.e. a “PRIDE fighter” that’s willing to face anyone any time for any price), then he deserves to be mocked for lying.

I understand what Ortiz is trying to do… garner attention the media, but if he intentionally talks pure utter bûllshît to dishonesty sell himself, then he deserves to be called out on it.

Let me play your game.
Answer my question. How many times has a fighter said they would fight for free?

I’m guessing quite a few times.

But if a fighter says that, but suddenly rejects a bout because they feel they’ve been lowballed, then he has to accept the likelihood his own words will be used against him.

We’re not really talking about boxing here, because any human being that says one thing, but then does the polar opposite, will inevitably be criticised.

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:52

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48
Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

LOL! Keep trying. EO is undefeated!

Yes but 53 draws needs further investigation

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 22:23

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:52

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

LOL! Keep trying. EO is undefeated!

Yes but 53 draws needs further investigation

Those pesky newspaper decisions

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 22:25

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 22:23

oogiebe wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:52
LOL! Keep trying. EO is undefeated!

Yes but 53 draws needs further investigation

Those pesky newspaper decisions

I'm against this fight happening next. Tony Yoka had a scheduled match up with Martin Bakole and he should have to honor that contract.

I believe that the IBF officially ruled yesterday in Martin Bakole's favor, that's according to L'Equipe.

https://www.archysport.com/2022/01/the- ... -canceled/

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 18:54

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 15:48
Agreed, but when a fighter regularly lies about being ducked by everyone and also pretending to be willing to fight for peanuts, then don’t be surprised to see people mocking the same individual for ducking other fighters whilst also claiming to being lowballed.

The terribly “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz is clearly one of those fighters.

Don’t you agree?

That silenced you, didn’t it?

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

You do realise all I’m doing is using Ortiz’s own words against him?

I even quoted what he said.

I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that.

Why are you defending a man like Ortiz that does the complete opposite of his boasts?

At least Joseph Parker’s team were honest from the get-go.

Not sure why I bother pointing this out, but you seem to have totally disregarded the fact that the reason Ortiz passed was because he injured his hand during the Martin fight. That fact makes your quotes totally irrelevant, and further exposes your hypocrisy.

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 10:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 18:54

tiny_acres wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 17:47

Nothing silences me
I am definitely not a Ortiz defender on his inability to land big fights.
I just find it funny that do many people. You included consider this a duck when there is obviously no money involved in this fight for the opponent

Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

You do realise all I’m doing is using Ortiz’s own words against him?

I even quoted what he said.

I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that.

Why are you defending a man like Ortiz that does the complete opposite of his boasts?

At least Joseph Parker’s team were honest from the get-go.

Not sure why I bother pointing this out, but you seem to have totally disregarded the fact that the reason Ortiz passed was because he injured his hand during the Martin fight. That fact makes your quotes totally irrelevant, and further exposes your hypocrisy.

The injury wasn’t announced until after Ortiz ducked Hrgovic.

Did you see all the post fight videos of Ortiz?

It's been a while. So EO your a knob

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 17:14

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 10:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑21 Jan 2022, 18:54
Did you even bother to read what I wrote?

You do realise all I’m doing is using Ortiz’s own words against him?

I even quoted what he said.

I thought you were intelligent enough to comprehend that.

Why are you defending a man like Ortiz that does the complete opposite of his boasts?

At least Joseph Parker’s team were honest from the get-go.

Not sure why I bother pointing this out, but you seem to have totally disregarded the fact that the reason Ortiz passed was because he injured his hand during the Martin fight. That fact makes your quotes totally irrelevant, and further exposes your hypocrisy.

The injury wasn’t announced until after Ortiz ducked Hrgovic.

Did you see all the post fight videos of Ortiz?

Do some research troll. Go hide now.

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 19:53

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 17:14

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Jan 2022, 10:58

Not sure why I bother pointing this out, but you seem to have totally disregarded the fact that the reason Ortiz passed was because he injured his hand during the Martin fight. That fact makes your quotes totally irrelevant, and further exposes your hypocrisy.

The injury wasn’t announced until after Ortiz ducked Hrgovic.

Did you see all the post fight videos of Ortiz?

Do some research troll. Go hide now.

Did you see all the post fight videos of Ortiz?

He was punching his chest with both fists, celebrating his win.

Shaking hands and also throwing his arms around lots of people backstage.

There either wasn’t an injury or it was so trivial he never felt it.

That’s why I asked you the question.

And the reason you didn’t answer it, was because you either didn’t even know these things or you didn’t want to admit anything that undermines your own claims.