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Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 22:28
by THEBUTCH
I'm not sure about your stats, gregregegg
Lee McGregor got turned over IMO in recent weeks.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 22:30
by margaret thatcher
lee's obviously an exception......happened in charlo-harrison 1 in the usa too for example. i also remember years ago teddy atlas doing one of his big rants when a canadian fighter lost a very questionable decision to a colombian in canada.
not literally 100 percent of poor decisions go to the a-side over the b-side, but it's very very heavily weighted toward them, far too much for it all just to be chance of simply incompetence. that's pretty much a global thing tbf
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 28 Feb 2022, 22:42
by THEBUTCH
Maybe, maybe not (and perhaps I'm more inclined to your argument) but I still think the UK does offer as fair a place as anywhere.
It's going back a few years but Brodie-Jorrin
Surely Brodie won that that fair & square in most people's eyes ?
The UK isn't the corrupt boxing board that's being put out there. It's a subjective sport.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 01:22
by gregregegg
THEBUTCH wrote: ↑28 Feb 2022, 22:28
I'm not sure about your stats, gregregegg
Lee McGregor got turned over IMO in recent weeks.
in this instance i was using 99% as a figure of speech. I clearly havent been out and crunched the numbers. But, there is a strong bias. as a rule these arnt each way variations.
Didnt see Lees, but ill take your word on it, they do go the other way, just much much rarer. Lee mcgregors was a ref decision. dont get me started on them. Its outragouse that televised bouts in england will have the ref doing the scoring. I understand on the smallest of hall shows, the money just isnt there. but fornicate me i hate that on decent shows ... (that card had 1 fight with judges and it didnt even go to the cards).
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 03:53
by high tower 1
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/60559433
So the board are going to talk to themselves ???
How does it work with rob smith. Who elected him and why is he in a role that doesn’t have to be re-elected ???
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 09:56
by magnus
I don't think the board is corrupt per se, and I don't actually think many are suggesting that either.
A bit like Carl Frampton said on Saturday night (he's invited to Taylor's wedding, but didn't sit on the fence with his verdict), I don't believe brown envelopes are being slipped into anyone's pockets.
I believe comes down to either sheer incompetence or being easily influenced by crowd/surroundings. IJL has shown himself to be unfit for purpose as both a judge and a referee on many occasions over the years, yet is still allowed to officiate at the highest level. This is a man who came up with a mathematically impossible score in a three round Prizefighter contest.
Even if we are on a level with other countries (and I think the level of officiating/scoring in the UK has been getting gradually worse over the last 20-30 years), why can't we aspire to be better?
Going "oh well, these things happen" is not good enough.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 11:33
by TheLeprechaun
magnus wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 09:56
I don't think the board is corrupt per se, and I don't actually think many are suggesting that either.
A bit like Carl Frampton said on Saturday night (he's invited to Taylor's wedding, but didn't sit on the fence with his verdict), I don't believe brown envelopes are being slipped into anyone's pockets.
I believe comes down to either sheer incompetence or being easily influenced by crowd/surroundings. IJL has shown himself to be unfit for purpose as both a judge and a referee on many occasions over the years, yet is still allowed to officiate at the highest level. This is a man who came up with a mathematically impossible score in a three round Prizefighter contest.
Even if we are on a level with other countries (and I think the level of officiating/scoring in the UK has been getting gradually worse over the last 20-30 years), why can't we aspire to be better?
Going "oh well, these things happen" is not good enough.
We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Some results are just too incompetent to be corrupt. In my opinion, nobody can say with a straight face that the Mimoune McKenna decision was not corrupt for example. In that case a fight between Ohara Davies and McKenna was more financially viable and the decision went that way.
Official Judging
Marcus McDonnell 96 - 94
Kieran McCann 96 - 94
Chas Coakley 97 - 93
These cards were all for McKenna. This was the worst decision in boxing history.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 01 Mar 2022, 12:35
by Twinkle Toes
Remember when Smith was interviewed after the Ritson robbery, he had a bad attitude. Not sure if he was nursing a hangover or something else.
Said he didn't care what people who had a beer had to say or anyone on social media i.e the fans.
Ironically his own judges have judged fights like drunks.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 03:24
by margaret thatcher
TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 11:33
magnus wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 09:56
I don't think the board is corrupt per se, and I don't actually think many are suggesting that either.
A bit like Carl Frampton said on Saturday night (he's invited to Taylor's wedding, but didn't sit on the fence with his verdict), I don't believe brown envelopes are being slipped into anyone's pockets.
I believe comes down to either sheer incompetence or being easily influenced by crowd/surroundings. IJL has shown himself to be unfit for purpose as both a judge and a referee on many occasions over the years, yet is still allowed to officiate at the highest level. This is a man who came up with a mathematically impossible score in a three round Prizefighter contest.
Even if we are on a level with other countries (and I think the level of officiating/scoring in the UK has been getting gradually worse over the last 20-30 years), why can't we aspire to be better?
Going "oh well, these things happen" is not good enough.
We don't know what is going on behind the scenes. Some results are just too incompetent to be corrupt. In my opinion, nobody can say with a straight face that the Mimoune McKenna decision was not corrupt for example. In that case a fight between Ohara Davies and McKenna was more financially viable and the decision went that way.
Official Judging
Marcus McDonnell 96 - 94
Kieran McCann 96 - 94
Chas Coakley 97 - 93
These cards were all for McKenna. This was the worst decision in boxing history.
yep, it was so bad the ref had to double check with the mc that the result had been announced right
the commentators were already talking about how the mimoune-davies final would go.....even they expected the result was a foregone conclusion. i guess it was, just not the right way....
when everyone else in the world can see that mimoune won like 8 rounds out of 10, its not just some random incompetence that all 3 judges go the otheer way. those judges are going in there looking to score it mkenna
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 03:34
by margaret thatcher
Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 12:35
Remember when Smith was interviewed after the Ritson robbery, he had a bad attitude. Not sure if he was nursing a hangover or something else.
Said he didn't care what people who had a beer had to say or anyone on social media i.e the fans.
Ironically his own judges have judged fights like drunks.
yep, smith is the typical 'stupid fans, never boxed, dont know a thing' type
the only time ive seen him remotely stirred to do anything about a judge is when that old american guy had burnett and haskins mixed up. that judge had only judged 1 other uk fight (aj-martin) in the previous decade, retired shortly after the mix up, and would probably have never judged in the uk again anyway, so going after him hardly meant a thing
but when it comes to judges who turn in crap repeatedly here, he holds no one to account, it's clearly an old bois club made of guys who have no shame
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 08:08
by Frostieballs
He’s just been on talkSPORT. Said he thought the fight was close but confirmed the Board will investigate.
Like I said on another thread, I’ll save us the wait. Here’s a sneak preview of the Press Release:
‘We have conducted an extensive investigation into the scoring of the Josh Taylor - Jack Catterall contest for the undisputed light welterweight world championship.
‘After calling the judges in to explain their scorecards, we have found no irregularities and stand by their decisions.
‘Our judges are highly trained and experienced and interpreted the fight within the scope of the rules.
‘We remind everyone that boxing is extremely subjective and can be seen very differently according to a number of factors.’
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 08:30
by bigjack
Frostieballs wrote: ↑02 Mar 2022, 08:08
He’s just been on talkSPORT. Said he thought the fight was close but confirmed the Board will investigate.
Like I said on another thread, I’ll save us the wait. Here’s a sneak preview of the Press Release:
‘We have conducted an extensive investigation into the scoring of the Josh Taylor - Jack Catterall contest for the undisputed light welterweight world championship.
‘After calling the judges in to explain their scorecards, we have found no irregularities and stand by their decisions.
‘Our judges are highly trained and experienced and interpreted the fight within the scope of the rules.
‘We remind everyone that boxing is extremely subjective and can be seen very differently according to a number of factors.’
Surprise Surprise
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 08:53
by olij999
magnus wrote: ↑01 Mar 2022, 09:56
I don't think the board is corrupt per se, and I don't actually think many are suggesting that either.
A bit like Carl Frampton said on Saturday night (he's invited to Taylor's wedding, but didn't sit on the fence with his verdict), I don't believe brown envelopes are being slipped into anyone's pockets.
I believe comes down to either sheer incompetence or being easily influenced by crowd/surroundings. IJL has shown himself to be unfit for purpose as both a judge and a referee on many occasions over the years, yet is still allowed to officiate at the highest level. This is a man who came up with a mathematically impossible score in a three round Prizefighter contest.
Even if we are on a level with other countries (and I think the level of officiating/scoring in the UK has been getting gradually worse over the last 20-30 years), why can't we aspire to be better?
Going "oh well, these things happen" is not good enough.
I agree with you on lack of corruption and on the point about aspiring to be better. If I were a ref, I'd want to be the very best ref I could be. And like any skilled profession, I'd want regular training and regular feedback to help me achieve that.
One small thing re your the Prizefighter point - if you are referring to the 30-28 scorecard in favour of a boxer who was knocked down in one round, that's entirely OK. If the boxer wins the round in which he was knocked down, that would have been 10-9 but for the KD, a one point adjustment for the KD makes it 10-10. It's in the (unpublished) Referees Guide. We've had some threads on it before - see
viewtopic.php?p=5015483 and
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=245924&start=50 . So if that is how IJL saw that round, he scored it correctly.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 14:30
by magnus
It would help if I could remember what fight it was. In my memory it was an impossible score, but I could be wrong. It was certainly the wrong score, in what I think was IJL's prime for fornicate ups.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 14:37
by jameswilson
Not being funny but after what happened with Burnett and that scorecard where the judge mixed up the fighters I thought to myself that can’t be the first and only time that’s happened. How surprised would people be if they found out the 114_111 card was actually meant for Caterall but the judge was too embarrassed to admit it and came up with some cock and ball story in front of Robert Smith.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 02 Mar 2022, 14:41
by Callowland
Does anyone buy the 'good man doing a difficult job' description.
He won't be retiring any time soon.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 05 Mar 2022, 13:36
by jonny
Billy Tully wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 15:18
I remember Rob Smith being aloof and indifferent to complaints about his operation in the 1990s!
How does a man keep a job like this for so long?
Who made him the boss of British boxing?
Who do you remonstrate with if you have a problem with Rob Smith? Rob Smith?
Rob Smith wasn't in charge during the 90s and isn't in charge now. The Boards stewards make the decisions along side their chairman currently being Charlie Giles. Smith is basically their Voice
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 05:55
by Riddick Bowie
jonny wrote: ↑05 Mar 2022, 13:36
Billy Tully wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 15:18
I remember Rob Smith being aloof and indifferent to complaints about his operation in the 1990s!
How does a man keep a job like this for so long?
Who made him the boss of British boxing?
Who do you remonstrate with if you have a problem with Rob Smith? Rob Smith?
Rob Smith wasn't in charge during the 90s and isn't in charge now. The Boards stewards make the decisions along side their chairman currently being Charlie Giles. Smith is basically their Voice
Semantics. The magazines I read spoke of him as if he were in charge and the discussion to this day always seems to be about 'What is Rob Smith going to do about such-and-such?' so excuse me if I interpreted this as Rob Smith being in charge.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 09:06
by Frostieballs
Billy Tully wrote: ↑07 Mar 2022, 05:55
jonny wrote: ↑05 Mar 2022, 13:36
Billy Tully wrote: ↑27 Feb 2022, 15:18
I remember Rob Smith being aloof and indifferent to complaints about his operation in the 1990s!
How does a man keep a job like this for so long?
Who made him the boss of British boxing?
Who do you remonstrate with if you have a problem with Rob Smith? Rob Smith?
Rob Smith wasn't in charge during the 90s and isn't in charge now. The Boards stewards make the decisions along side their chairman currently being Charlie Giles. Smith is basically their Voice
Semantics. The magazines I read spoke of him as if he were in charg and the discussion to this day always seems to be about 'What is Rob Smith going to do about such-and-such?' so excuse me if I interpreted this as Rob Smith being in charge.
Whatever you look at it, he wasn’t in charge in the 90’s. Simon Block was.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 11:17
by Riddick Bowie
Frostieballs wrote: ↑07 Mar 2022, 09:06
Billy Tully wrote: ↑07 Mar 2022, 05:55
jonny wrote: ↑05 Mar 2022, 13:36
Rob Smith wasn't in charge during the 90s and isn't in charge now. The Boards stewards make the decisions along side their chairman currently being Charlie Giles. Smith is basically their Voice
Semantics. The magazines I read spoke of him as if he were in charg and the discussion to this day always seems to be about 'What is Rob Smith going to do about such-and-such?' so excuse me if I interpreted this as Rob Smith being in charge.
Whatever you look at it, he wasn’t in charge in the 90’s. Simon Block was.
Ohhhh f**K, that's right -- it was Simon Block. Dohhh!
Smith has been the man so long it seems like forever.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 11:20
by gobbles
Frostieballs wrote: ↑07 Mar 2022, 09:06
Billy Tully wrote: ↑07 Mar 2022, 05:55
jonny wrote: ↑05 Mar 2022, 13:36
Rob Smith wasn't in charge during the 90s and isn't in charge now. The Boards stewards make the decisions along side their chairman currently being Charlie Giles. Smith is basically their Voice
Semantics. The magazines I read spoke of him as if he were in charg and the discussion to this day always seems to be about 'What is Rob Smith going to do about such-and-such?' so excuse me if I interpreted this as Rob Smith being in charge.
Whatever you look at it, he wasn’t in charge in the 90’s. Simon Block was.
John Morris was in charge in the 1990s. Simon Block was general secretary from 2000-2008.
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 11:31
by Frostieballs
Yes, I stand corrected! Defo not Rob Smith though!
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 07 Mar 2022, 16:22
by Coco
Smith was Southern área secratary in that time
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 09 Sep 2022, 17:25
by handsofstone
Another reason why Robert Smith has to go, another clanger, cricket, rugby league, golf, horse racing etc all on this weekend but the BBBC panic and make the wrong decision yet again, a lot of people out of pocket because of their incompetence
Re: Does Rob Smith need to resign from BBBC?
Posted: 09 Sep 2022, 18:13
by Deserter
handsofstone wrote: ↑09 Sep 2022, 17:25
Another reason why Robert Smith has to go, another clanger, cricket, rugby league, golf, horse racing etc all on this weekend but the BBBC panic and make the wrong decision yet again, a lot of people out of pocket because of their incompetence
Yep, agreed. Farcical decision.