golden_balls wrote: ↑31 May 2022, 11:11
Ireland has a tiny population. less big guys and less need perhaps to become a boxer. big guys can play rugby or just be big.
Double the population of NZ and we have two top 30 HW's.
You might have seen our #2 get Tazered in the ring last night?
yea but lucas i would of thought is scotish decent thogh the name browne , and the Māori people are big also so i think that is why your more likey to have heavier weight fighter than the smaller weights better compertion at the heavier weight
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 09:23
by Crease
Just off the top of my head, we had Martin Rogan, Kevin McBride (who beat Mike Tyson), Darren Corbett I suppose - he kept ballooning up in weight. And then there's Steve Collins' son and then I'm struggling to be honest... But no one is really coming to mind.
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 10:58
by handsofstone
Not as poor as the Scottish
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 11:11
by JamesPhilips
Thomas Carty?
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 11:25
by SeanBrennan
Crease wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 09:23
Just off the top of my head, we had Martin Rogan, Kevin McBride (who beat Mike Tyson), Darren Corbett I suppose - he kept ballooning up in weight. And then there's Steve Collins' son and then I'm struggling to be honest... But no one is really coming to mind.
Steve's son has dropped back into the amateurs, he yoyoed in the pros, fought for supper middleweight Irish title, as well as at cruiser, light heavy and HW. Has won a title of sorts as an am again.
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 31 Jan 2024, 11:25
by SeanBrennan
JamesPhilips wrote: ↑31 Jan 2024, 11:11
Thomas Carty?
Thomas 'Party' Carty to use his full title.
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 05:57
by Coco
Isn't Fury Irish?
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 08:23
by SeanBrennan
there are only 2 active HWs listed on Boxrec as Irish, Carty and Sean Turner. Turner fought once in 5 years, and has lost 3 on the bounce. He recently pulled out of a BKB fight vs Sokolowski, and seems to work as a Kinahan heavy rather than an active pro. So we can definitely say Carty's the best.
born in England, father born in Ireland but doesn't have a birth cert iirc as he was born in Galway and likely not registered at the time. Fury fought for England and Ireland as an am, and boxed for an am gym in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. As a pro he won the BUI Irish HW title vs Rogan.
His dad moved to England aged 4. For anyone who cares, they lived in Tuam which is a lovely little town.
born in England, father born in Ireland but doesn't have a birth cert iirc as he was born in Galway and likely not registered at the time. Fury fought for England and Ireland as an am, and boxed for an am gym in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. As a pro he won the BUI Irish HW title vs Rogan.
His dad moved to England aged 4. For anyone who cares, they lived in Tuam which is a lovely little town.
Think Fury would of claimed to be Nigerian if it suited him
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 09:05
by Alba
HomicideHenry wrote: ↑31 May 2022, 08:22
There was a lot of native-born Irish or first generation Irish-American's who were pretty successful heavyweights. Tom Sharkey, Mike McCoole, Peter Maher, Jim Corbett, John Morrisey, John L. Sullivan, etc.
However, it seems as if the Irish only produced good or great heavyweights if they fought elsewhere--- rather than remain in their homeland. Why that is I'm not so sure but I think the "fighting Irish" stereotype is more of an American creation than it is the reality of natural born Irish people.
Most Irish people I know are just hard-working people who seem to be more interested in soccer or rugby than anything else. Boxing is kind of a secondary thing rather than a primary thing over there. At least in my opinion.
After all who knew that handball is considered the national sport of Ireland? Lol
As much as you Americans like to insist your Irish/German,/Dutch/scottish cause your relative was born their, the reality is your not
born in England, father born in Ireland but doesn't have a birth cert iirc as he was born in Galway and likely not registered at the time. Fury fought for England and Ireland as an am, and boxed for an am gym in both Northern Ireland and the Republic. As a pro he won the BUI Irish HW title vs Rogan.
His dad moved to England aged 4. For anyone who cares, they lived in Tuam which is a lovely little town.
Think Fury would of claimed to be Nigerian if it suited him
Haha true!
Femi Fury
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 12:22
by jameswilson
Jusrt wish Carty was more active. 2 fights a year is a pisstake as I've said about a lot of the British prospects.
Unfortunately I know well why he's so inactive and I think someone else has alluded that they are pretty confident something fiishy is going on.
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 12:35
by SeanBrennan
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 12:22
Jusrt wish Carty was more active. 2 fights a year is a pisstake as I've said about a lot of the British prospects.
Unfortunately I know well why he's so inactive and I think someone else has alluded that they are pretty confident something fiishy is going on.
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 12:22
Jusrt wish Carty was more active. 2 fights a year is a pisstake as I've said about a lot of the British prospects.
Unfortunately I know well why he's so inactive and I think someone else has alluded that they are pretty confident something fiishy is going on.
silent ban?
Nah. Taking time out between fights to get a cycle in.
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 12:22
Jusrt wish Carty was more active. 2 fights a year is a pisstake as I've said about a lot of the British prospects.
Unfortunately I know well why he's so inactive and I think someone else has alluded that they are pretty confident something fiishy is going on.
silent ban?
Nah. Taking time out between fights to get a cycle in.
ah gotcha, may as well stay on and cruise between cycles, if he's going to PED then use a compound that is easily maskable for cruising phase
maybe in the same way the likes of wilder and joshua count as nigerian heavyweights, or the americans with an irish side of the family count as irish
2 irish heavies on boxrec is crazy to me. ya the irish population is small but that doesnt stop them from having many good fighters at other weights. very good ams too.
uk has 59 active hws, about 30x that of ireland despite having only 13x the population
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 16:00
by jameswilson
Just seen Johnny Fisher's latest IFL interview where he mentions a fight with Carty being mentioned for down the line.
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 01 Feb 2024, 16:58
by SeanBrennan
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 16:00
Just seen Johnny Fisher's latest IFL interview where he mentions a fight with Carty being mentioned for down the line.
Saw it too, sounds like Carty will be coming to England for it
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 16:00
Just seen Johnny Fisher's latest IFL interview where he mentions a fight with Carty being mentioned for down the line.
Saw it too, sounds like Carty will be coming to England for it
I don't think there's any chance of that happening before the Taylor v Cameron 3 fight in Croke park. Carty will have another fight there and likely against a similar guy to Garber and McFarlane.
jameswilson wrote: ↑01 Feb 2024, 16:00
Just seen Johnny Fisher's latest IFL interview where he mentions a fight with Carty being mentioned for down the line.
Saw it too, sounds like Carty will be coming to England for it
I don't think there's any chance of that happening before the Taylor v Cameron 3 fight in Croke park. Carty will have another fight there and likely against a similar guy to Garber and McFarlane.
maybe in the same way the likes of wilder and joshua count as nigerian heavyweights, or the americans with an irish side of the family count as irish
2 irish heavies on boxrec is crazy to me. ya the irish population is small but that doesnt stop them from having many good fighters at other weights. very good ams too.
uk has 59 active hws, about 30x that of ireland despite having only 13x the population
Yes but realisticly , how many of that 59 would be of African , Jamaicn descent , bigger guys geneticly how many are white from UK background opposed to irish background ,, i would'nt really know but would guess , take away black heavyweights in the UK from african , carribean backgrounds , and i doubt we would be too far in front of irish heavyweights
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 02 Feb 2024, 01:01
by margaret thatcher
true we got lots of black studs in the uk
Re: why are irish heavies so poor?
Posted: 02 Feb 2024, 07:07
by SeanBrennan
Ireland and England are both 82% white. Ireland is not short of black dudes. Tommy McCarthy, Darren Sutherland, Agyarko,
