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Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 09:48 Jules is seen walking backwards with his assailant walking forwards in an aggressive manner surely that counts for something?

Being an ex boxer and now a security guard, his self control will be brought into question.

The guy might have tretttened his life with a weapon, that would probably justify it.

I genuinely hope Julius gets to fight one of these YouTube bums and makes a good few quid off the back of this.

I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

you're talking to someone who knows the law and how it is applied in practise pretty well, I'd say.

but let's not let that get in the way of a bit of 'this country nowadays', if in doubt let's just assume the worst so we can have a nice old grannie's lament

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

It's a myth that you can't protect yourself and others in this country anymore, you can. In this circumstance Julius was self-controlled and he did act reasonably. I've seen these go to court but never somebody getting done for it in these exact circumstances. The video will help his defence.

Thank you

Francis is a viral star atm, every other social post seems to be about him

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:15

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

It's a myth that you can't protect yourself and others in this country anymore, you can. In this circumstance Julius was self-controlled and he did act reasonably. I've seen these go to court but never somebody getting done for it in these exact circumstances. The video will help his defence.

I hope so, he's a good bloke, and that guy was a proper weapon.

Internet would happily cover his expenses.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:23 Francis is a viral star atm, every other social post seems to be about him

Now he is 'insta' famous i wonder which promoter will be the first to slide into his dm's?

The guy who got smashed was all mouth, he didn't even throw any punches, just a few slight pushes from the footage that was posted. Real life keyboard warrior. Chances are he probably would had just walked away from the venue with his mates



I posted this other day, shows how it could have gone wrong.

(craig) wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 11:06

Glass Joe wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:23 Francis is a viral star atm, every other social post seems to be about him

Now he is 'insta' famous i wonder which promoter will be the first to slide into his dm's?

crazy, must be getting a million views an hour atm.

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:15

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

It's a myth that you can't protect yourself and others in this country anymore, you can. In this circumstance Julius was self-controlled and he did act reasonably. I've seen these go to court but never somebody getting done for it in these exact circumstances. The video will help his defence.

Still a grey area really, what if the guy cracked his skull off the pavement and died or was left with brain damage ? That’s more common than you think. He’d be doing time for that.

Controversial wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 11:28

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:15

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

It's a myth that you can't protect yourself and others in this country anymore, you can. In this circumstance Julius was self-controlled and he did act reasonably. I've seen these go to court but never somebody getting done for it in these exact circumstances. The video will help his defence.

Still a grey area really, what if the guy cracked his skull off the pavement and died or was left with brain damage ? That’s more common than you think. He’d be doing time for that.

Francis does have criminal convictions for criminal damage and common assault from 2009. With the police looking at this now apparently I’d say he would be lucky not to be charged with ABH and having his security licence potentially pulled. So the viral glory might be a bit costly in the long run.

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:06 I'm surprised anybody thinks he might get done for that. It's as clear a case of reasonable force self defence as you are likely to see. Julius doesn't know the lad from Adam, all he knows is he's going nuts and approaching him hands raised, in that moment you react accordingly. If a fit, young, aggressive male is marching towards you, you have to treat him as a legitimate threat, even if you are former boxer.

You need to tell that to a jury who will look at this very differently.

I praise Francis and I hope he will get away Scott free

There wasn't any need to punch him, he left the arena past the security crowd control barriers so was on public land, the thug never even knew a punch or had a weapon. He was just a real life troll.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 11:54 There wasn't any need to punch him, he left the arena past the security crowd control barriers so was on public land, the thug never even knew a punch or had a weapon. He was just a real life troll.

He was walking towards Francis and then raised his hand to his face. Given his previous behaviour, JF could've been reasonably frightened for his own personal safety and acted with one punch in self defence.

All the people saying 'He could've hit his head on the pavement and died' etc etc is irrelevant because he didn't.

He was wearing a body cam, so they should release the whole thing.

#releasethesnydercut

jtourettes wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 12:13

All the people saying 'He could've hit his head on the pavement and died' etc etc is irrelevant because he didn't.

It's a grey area because people are saying it's self defence so he will be ok. Would he still be ok if the bloke died?

Such a fine line with the self defence. It will probably come down to what the powers to be are thinking.

You get prosecuted for that then the system is fucked. They guy was super aggressive, and his mates, threw punches and approached someone in a threatening way.
If the guy dies then it’s on him, not a Julius. I wouldn’t lose any sleep.

Best thing for him, hold that

Other man had a lot to say for himself with the smallest guard in the place but he never had the same energy when his pal copped it did he

Little mob of pick n choosers

Controversial wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 11:28

jimmystone wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:15

Spud wrote: ↑14 Jun 2022, 10:07

You are applying logic to this … something that doesn’t apply to law in this country

It's a myth that you can't protect yourself and others in this country anymore, you can. In this circumstance Julius was self-controlled and he did act reasonably. I've seen these go to court but never somebody getting done for it in these exact circumstances. The video will help his defence.

Still a grey area really, what if the guy cracked his skull off the pavement and died or was left with brain damage ? That’s more common than you think. He’d be doing time for that.

no he wouldn't. not if he can prove it was his "honest held belief" that he was under threat of an immediate violent assault. And this video leaves no doubt whatsoever. The guy was aggressive, lashing out, and refused any attempt at pacification. The man entered his personal space aggressively with his hands up, verbally shouting and displaying extremely heightened behaviour. Any consideration of "restraining" the guy is null and void at that point.

In regards to what actually transpired he can argue that he acted to prevent a "greater harm" occurring, and given the guys behaviour its an easy case to make.