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peter barlow wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 05:11 Hughie Fury is available

anyone but pooey hughie

peter barlow wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 05:11 Hughie Fury is available

So is Tommy

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 17:37

peter barlow wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 05:11 Hughie Fury is available

So is Tommy

Hughies fight with Hunter is confirmed for October.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 17:43

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 17:37

peter barlow wrote: ↑23 Aug 2022, 05:11 Hughie Fury is available

So is Tommy

Hughies fight with Hunter is confirmed for October.

Cool, keeps it open for Tommy then.

Chisora would be the best comeback fight for AJ or that big chinese guy.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑27 Aug 2022, 07:00

Absolute piffle from Matchroom. Embarassing.

I’m not certain Joshua will end up fighting again. It’s probably the first time that he has to accept that he isn’t, and won’t ever now be, seen as the dominant heavyweight of his era. That’s going to be really tough for someone like Joshua who has been surrounded by hype for over a decade.

If he does his come back fight has Whyte written all over it. Whyte will talk it up well which will help it sell and there’s a grain of a story from their first fight there. He’s also on the slide as well so is very beatable, sparked in two of his last three. Should easily sell out the O2 with the right hype.

PPV price will be interesting. I’m not well versed on what is good value as I haven’t paid for a PPV for a decade or more now but it’s hard to see many wanting to part with more than £15 a skull for this version of Joshua

Why is Hearn talking about Wilder constantly? Its desperate.

Wilder clearly going to be fighting Ruiz if they both get through the next fight.

fizzjambo wrote: ↑27 Aug 2022, 16:28 I’m not certain Joshua will end up fighting again. It’s probably the first time that he has to accept that he isn’t, and won’t ever now be, seen as the dominant heavyweight of his era. That’s going to be really tough for someone like Joshua who has been surrounded by hype for over a decade.

If he does his come back fight has Whyte written all over it. Whyte will talk it up well which will help it sell and there’s a grain of a story from their first fight there. He’s also on the slide as well so is very beatable, sparked in two of his last three. Should easily sell out the O2 with the right hype.

PPV price will be interesting. I’m not well versed on what is good value as I haven’t paid for a PPV for a decade or more now but it’s hard to see many wanting to part with more than £15 a skull for this version of Joshua

Read an interesting opinion piece on boxing news by Elliot Worsell talking about "yes" men in no-man's land for a fighter. Talked about AJ and what many of us here have been saying and how it has caught up to him to have so many cheerleaders around him. Mentioned also that these "yes men" couldn't get up the nerve to protect AJ after the fight from doing something outrageous or 'cringey' like he did. Shows how important it was for Wilder to have had someone like Mark Breland around to save him. AJ could've used someone like that long ago.

Robert Garcia Wants Anthony Joshua To Hold Next Camp in California

Veteran coach Robert Garcia wants Anthony Joshua to hold his next training camp in the state of California.

Garcia still wants to work with Joshua, but he thinks that the best way to keep working together is for AJ to prepare at his gym in California.

The two had their first fight together two weeks ago in Saudi Arabia, with Joshua losing a twelve round decision in his rematch with IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO heavyweight champion Oleksandr Usyk.

Joshua is already looking for a quick turnaround, with a comeback fight in the month of December.

Garcia feels that his other fighters can push Joshua to work harder.

“I told Anthony and all his team that, for me, the best way to keep working together is if Anthony comes to train in my gym in California eight weeks before a fight," García told Izquierdazo. “From six to eight weeks, that’s all I need for a good camp."

“I told Anthony, ‘I need you to be around more fighters, more champions. I want you to have more fighters for competition, even if they are from the same gym, but you have to compete. You have to want to be better than them, and they will want to be better than you. It will work for all of you.'"

Garcia emphasizes that internal competition is something that is missing from Joshua’s camps.

“That is what is missing in his gym, the fighters competing against each other, where they don’t want the other fighter to do more than you”, Garcia said.

“He needs a place with other world champions around. Anthony has always been alone in his camps, he didn’t have other fighters to train with. He needs to be in a cheerful environment, to interact with other fighters, other sparring partners. I think that that would help him a lot. I am a boxing man, and I told them that I know that he needs to be in a challenging gym. The other fighters will push him to do more and more. That helps a lot”.

Garcia says that when he proposed his idea, Joshua’s team was receptive and willing to train in California. The only one who needs to be persuaded is Anthony himself.

“Everyone else in the team is willing to train in California”, Garcia said. “I had a very nice conversation with them before leaving, and everyone agrees that this is what he needs. They said that they will talk to Anthony, and that they will need to convince him this is the best for him. In the end, he can decide differently, but his team accepted that the best option is to leave the UK and come to California for his training camp”.

Joshua still has some years left in boxing, in Garcia's view, and a different environment can help him.

“He is young”, Garcia explains. “He hasn’t been knocked out hardly, he has not been severely hurt. It will help him a lot to compete with other fighters in my gym. And mentally, he will not tell himself that he did enough work, that he is done. No, the other fighters will tell him that he still needs to do more”.

For Garcia, training Joshua in England was hard, and he accepts that it would not be easy to do it again.

“Those four months that I was in England with him were hard for me”, García recognizes. “Fortunately, I didn’t have a big fight with my other fighters. Jesse Rodriguez fought in June. And I travelled from there to England. I find it difficult for that to happen again. If they ask me to go back to England, it would have to be a special situation.

"If Anthony’s next fight is in early December, I would be available, because I don’t have big fights. But if Jesse Rodriguez or Jose Ramirez have an important fight, I would rather stay with them, and not leave. That is why I asked Anthony’s team to come to California, and they liked the idea. Now, they need to talk to Anthony and convince him."

Let's have fun, give him Babic.

Good idea. Nobody has a clue who he is so he can wear whatever headphones and tracksuit he likes when he goes to the shop and buys any soft drink he fancies.

Eddie has confirmed it won't be Whyte, but will be a "Top 15" guy which narrows it down to about 40 fighters.

The new Hearn interview with IFL is amazing to watch btw. The guy has absolutely had the stuffing knocked out of him and is purely a money man now. Just desperately trying to get the AJ show back on the road. On the ropes.

garethhop wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 10:40 Eddie has confirmed it won't be Whyte, but will be a "Top 15" guy which narrows it down to about 40 fighters.

The new Hearn interview with IFL is amazing to watch btw. The guy has absolutely had the stuffing knocked out of him and is purely a money man now. Just desperately trying to get the AJ show back on the road. On the ropes.

I think he’s always been in it for the money but obviously had a period where it was easier, due to the amount of stars they had, than it is now, particularly in the U.K.

I don’t necessarily think it’s a bad thing to be driven by the money. The best promoters usually are - seems to give them the drive to very best. Eddie’s had things go his way for for a while so the next 2 years will show how good he actually is.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 05:29 “I told Anthony, ‘I need you to be around more fighters, more champions. I want you to have more fighters for competition, even if they are from the same gym, but you have to compete. You have to want to be better than them, and they will want to be better than you. It will work for all of you.'"[/i]

Garcia emphasizes that internal competition is something that is missing from Joshua’s camps.

“That is what is missing in his gym, the fighters competing against each other, where they don’t want the other fighter to do more than you”, Garcia said.

“He needs a place with other world champions around. Anthony has always been alone in his camps, he didn’t have other fighters to train with. He needs to be in a cheerful environment, to interact with other fighters, other sparring partners. I think that that would help him a lot. I am a boxing man, and I told them that I know that he needs to be in a challenging gym. The other fighters will push him to do more and more. That helps a lot”.

this makes perfect sense to me. Joshua being the lone fish in the goldfish bowl surrounded by yes men sounds like a godawful camp setup that would tend to pointless introspection and navel-gazing. almost like an environment that is both hyper-sanitised but toxic at the same time. I know that doesn't make sense, but never mind.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 11:17

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 05:29 “I told Anthony, ‘I need you to be around more fighters, more champions. I want you to have more fighters for competition, even if they are from the same gym, but you have to compete. You have to want to be better than them, and they will want to be better than you. It will work for all of you.'"[/i]

Garcia emphasizes that internal competition is something that is missing from Joshua’s camps.

“That is what is missing in his gym, the fighters competing against each other, where they don’t want the other fighter to do more than you”, Garcia said.

“He needs a place with other world champions around. Anthony has always been alone in his camps, he didn’t have other fighters to train with. He needs to be in a cheerful environment, to interact with other fighters, other sparring partners. I think that that would help him a lot. I am a boxing man, and I told them that I know that he needs to be in a challenging gym. The other fighters will push him to do more and more. That helps a lot”.

this makes perfect sense to me. Joshua being the lone fish in the goldfish bowl surrounded by yes men sounds like a godawful camp setup that would tend to pointless introspection and navel-gazing. almost like an environment that is both hyper-sanitised but toxic at the same time. I know that doesn't make sense, but never mind.

Agree fully. I think it’d be great for him going over to the US for a camp with Garcia but I’d like him to bin off Angel too. He’d be in a gym with other world champs and young and hungry fighters. Whilst they won’t do any proper sparring with him I think they’d push him mentally to get the most out of himself.

It will help him like it helped Rocky in the Clubber Lang rematch.

tony1234 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 10:37

garethhop wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 09:22

ILikeBeer wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 08:37 Joshua is still going to be marketable to the casuals though. Who are the majority, let's be honest.

Nowhere near as much. He's a Dillian Whyte now.

Not sure how you market a boxer with 3 bad defeats on his record to the casuals ? Once you're on the downhill side of the slope nobody is interested

are you for real if joshua was to fight fury / joyce / whyte / dubois / hughie / wilder the interest would be massive .

ffs delboy chisora sells to the casuals and he's got 12 losses

people always get so melodramatic with aj

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 11:24

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 11:17

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 05:29 “I told Anthony, ‘I need you to be around more fighters, more champions. I want you to have more fighters for competition, even if they are from the same gym, but you have to compete. You have to want to be better than them, and they will want to be better than you. It will work for all of you.'"[/i]

Garcia emphasizes that internal competition is something that is missing from Joshua’s camps.

“That is what is missing in his gym, the fighters competing against each other, where they don’t want the other fighter to do more than you”, Garcia said.

“He needs a place with other world champions around. Anthony has always been alone in his camps, he didn’t have other fighters to train with. He needs to be in a cheerful environment, to interact with other fighters, other sparring partners. I think that that would help him a lot. I am a boxing man, and I told them that I know that he needs to be in a challenging gym. The other fighters will push him to do more and more. That helps a lot”.

this makes perfect sense to me. Joshua being the lone fish in the goldfish bowl surrounded by yes men sounds like a godawful camp setup that would tend to pointless introspection and navel-gazing. almost like an environment that is both hyper-sanitised but toxic at the same time. I know that doesn't make sense, but never mind.

Agree fully. I think it’d be great for him going over to the US for a camp with Garcia but I’d like him to bin off Angel too. He’d be in a gym with other world champs and young and hungry fighters. Whilst they won’t do any proper sparring with him I think they’d push him mentally to get the most out of himself.

It will help him like it helped Rocky in the Clubber Lang rematch.

i just think it would do him good to be away from that fking echo-chamber of sycophancy that he's been subjected to.

I don`t see how Chisora benefits AJ ... because AJ will be expected to win - and to win in style too.
Anything less that a show real KO will be seen as further proof of AJs demise. Thats a massive pressure on AJ and not something he looks capable of doing at this stage of his career either.

As good at what Chisora does, he is still just a tomato can for the elite guys to knock over.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 12:15

maverick23 wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 11:24

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 11:17

this makes perfect sense to me. Joshua being the lone fish in the goldfish bowl surrounded by yes men sounds like a godawful camp setup that would tend to pointless introspection and navel-gazing. almost like an environment that is both hyper-sanitised but toxic at the same time. I know that doesn't make sense, but never mind.

Agree fully. I think it’d be great for him going over to the US for a camp with Garcia but I’d like him to bin off Angel too. He’d be in a gym with other world champs and young and hungry fighters. Whilst they won’t do any proper sparring with him I think they’d push him mentally to get the most out of himself.

It will help him like it helped Rocky in the Clubber Lang rematch.

i just think it would do him good to be away from that fking echo-chamber of sycophancy that he's been subjected to.

Yep

stevec@france wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 12:00

tony1234 wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 10:37

garethhop wrote: ↑22 Aug 2022, 09:22

Nowhere near as much. He's a Dillian Whyte now.

Not sure how you market a boxer with 3 bad defeats on his record to the casuals ? Once you're on the downhill side of the slope nobody is interested

are you for real if joshua was to fight fury / joyce / whyte / dubois / hughie / wilder the interest would be massive .

Yup, how can you sell tickets and PPV buys when nobody will have any spare cash to fork out on fights such as those . There is a massive change coming in not just for boxing but for all entertainment with the price of utilities through the roof which will result in tickets being priced higher for people who are skint