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gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 13:46 Obviously when you're coming off 2 losses you need a guaranteed win next time out.

Chisora always seems available for that sorta thing.

Unfortunately Delboy is AJs close friend.

Dillian Whyte would fight anyone, but we don't want to see him become a journeyman, do we? Whyte needs to tighten up his defences before anything else.

However I think Anthony Joshua easily beats anyone outside Usyk right now.

Is it really that difficult to see just how much Anthony Joshua has improved?

Wasn't the pace of the return fight with Usyk over the whole 12 rounds impressive enough?

With the extra conditioning even his one precious slight weakness (punch resistance) wasn't too much of an issue

I'd like to see him fight Daniel d. I suspect he fights someone who he's guaranteed to win against. - arreola

Read somewhere he verbally accepted Fury's offer to fight in December. May be BS if the lying sack Fury is involved.

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 08:56 Read somewhere he verbally accepted Fury's offer to fight in December. May be BS if the lying sack Fury is involved.

Hearn confirmed that team Fury has reached out to him.
So I think there is a slim chance of it happening. But I think Fury will over price himself giving Joshua peanuts and the fight is scrubbed before it even gets any momentum

tiny_acres wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 09:32

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 08:56 Read somewhere he verbally accepted Fury's offer to fight in December. May be BS if the lying sack Fury is involved.

Hearn confirmed that team Fury has reached out to him.
So I think there is a slim chance of it happening. But I think Fury will over price himself giving Joshua peanuts and the fight is scrubbed before it even gets any momentum

Well, they could fight in December, but knowing Fury, it could be December 2023, or 2024 etc.

Anyway, nothing changes, Anthony Joshua remains the biggest draw in boxing.

Everyone knows that, including Tyson Fury.

Fury said hes offering 60/40.

Hope Joshua takes it, and Fury's belt.

fury's called out like 4 dudes in the last month, if he actually had a contract he sent to aj to sign and aj said all good, then wake me up

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 17:50 fury's called out like 4 dudes in the last month, if he actually had a contract he sent to aj to sign and aj said all good, then wake me up

To be fair, business doesn't work that way, does it?

When you buy a car or a house, you don't spend countless hours drawing up the contractual paperwork and then signing it before you've even looked at the goods you're considering purchasing or negotiated the transaction price.

The weird thing about fight fans is that they wrongly assume the lack of a contract being sent automatically means the offer is insincere.

All that needs to happen is representatives from both sides sitting by the negotiating table and hammering out a mutually-satisfactory deal... BEFORE the paperwork is drawn up and signed by both parties.

All this "show me the paperwork" nonsense is simply meaningless media talk.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 17:50 fury's called out like 4 dudes in the last month, if he actually had a contract he sent to aj to sign and aj said all good, then wake me up

To be fair, business doesn't work that way, does it?

When you buy a car or a house, you don't spend countless hours drawing up the paperwork and then signing it before you've even looked at the goods you're considering purchasing or negotiating the transaction price.

The weird thing about fight fans is that they wrongly assume the lack of a contract being sent automatically means the offer is insincere.

All that needs to happen is representatives from both sides sitting by the negotiating table and hammering out a mutually-satisfactory deal... BEFORE the paperwork is drawn up and signed by both parties.

All this "show me the paperwork" nonsense is simply meaningless media talk.

bruh, aren't you the guy who always asks people to show evidence that a formal offer has been made

fury's called out dude after dude, aj just saying he'd take a fight with him iisnt anything exciting

it's kinda like

"The problem with Hearn, is that he talks about potential big-names for Andrade, but talk is cheap, since he doesn't actually submit offers"

Fury, Wilder, maybe Whyte, the Joe-Joe winner. Anyone else would just be a waste of time. Although, if he couldn't get any of those fights and was forced to fight someone else, then maybe Hunter, Makhmudov, or Bakole.

How about Luis Ortiz ?

goose 5 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 19:26 How about Luis Ortiz ?

Personally I like the fight, but a possible Fury fight will be too hard to turndown. Boxers at the elite level don't need tune ups - Spence mentality.
I think a Fury fight is very winnable for Joshua.

joshua would do nasty thing to pops, dude getting his arse dropped by charles martin jabs

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:18

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 17:50 fury's called out like 4 dudes in the last month, if he actually had a contract he sent to aj to sign and aj said all good, then wake me up

To be fair, business doesn't work that way, does it?

When you buy a car or a house, you don't spend countless hours drawing up the paperwork and then signing it before you've even looked at the goods you're considering purchasing or negotiating the transaction price.

The weird thing about fight fans is that they wrongly assume the lack of a contract being sent automatically means the offer is insincere.

All that needs to happen is representatives from both sides sitting by the negotiating table and hammering out a mutually-satisfactory deal... BEFORE the paperwork is drawn up and signed by both parties.

All this "show me the paperwork" nonsense is simply meaningless media talk.

bruh, aren't you the guy who always asks people to show evidence that a formal offer has been made

fury's called out dude after dude, aj just saying he'd take a fight with him iisnt anything exciting

it's kinda like

"The problem with Hearn, is that he talks about potential big-names for Andrade, but talk is cheap, since he doesn't actually submit offers"

Let eo tell you about how business is done....hes an expert

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:18

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 18:17

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 17:50 fury's called out like 4 dudes in the last month, if he actually had a contract he sent to aj to sign and aj said all good, then wake me up

To be fair, business doesn't work that way, does it?

When you buy a car or a house, you don't spend countless hours drawing up the paperwork and then signing it before you've even looked at the goods you're considering purchasing or negotiating the transaction price.

The weird thing about fight fans is that they wrongly assume the lack of a contract being sent automatically means the offer is insincere.

All that needs to happen is representatives from both sides sitting by the negotiating table and hammering out a mutually-satisfactory deal... BEFORE the paperwork is drawn up and signed by both parties.

All this "show me the paperwork" nonsense is simply meaningless media talk.

bruh, aren't you the guy who always asks people to show evidence that a formal offer has been made

fury's called out dude after dude, aj just saying he'd take a fight with him iisnt anything exciting

it's kinda like

"The problem with Hearn, is that he talks about potential big-names for Andrade, but talk is cheap, since he doesn't actually submit offers"

The handlers of most of the fighters that Eddie Hearn claimed he’d tried to match against Andrade denied being contacted or any sort of written offers (i.e. emails, texts etc.).

This isn’t opinion.

I remember many GGG fans claiming his rivals all ducked him, but even Tom Loeffler refused to confirm whether he’d made offers.

To make it simple: if both parties don’t talk to each other, regardless as to what one of them may be misinforming the media, then contract negotiations clearly aren’t happening.

Contracts are the result of negotiations, not vice versa.

talk is too easy, hence fury doing it non stop and calling out everyone under the roof, saying he'll fight 2 on 1 night, etc

lets just say then that im not excited when that's all we have right now, let's step it up bois. sit down at da table! submit them offers!

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 20:55 talk is too easy, hence fury doing it non stop and calling out everyone under the roof, saying he'll fight 2 on 1 night, etc

lets just say then that im not excited when that's all we have right now, let's step it up bois. sit down at da table! submit them offers!

I agree with what you’re saying.

This might be another publicity stunt.

The handlers of Fury and AJ need to talk.

If the offer is sincere though, which I think it might be, then another loss for AJ will essentially mark the end of his tenure being considered a marquee name in the sport of boxing.

And it might be better for Matchroom and DAZN to try to rebuild the Joshua brand over the course of four or five easy(ish) wins than accept a fourth defeat in six fights.

Matchroom and DAZN have a lot of money invested in AJ and the ink has only just dried on their newly-signed contract, which means it’s probably far too early for both parties to cash in their most prized asset.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 21:06

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 20:55 talk is too easy, hence fury doing it non stop and calling out everyone under the roof, saying he'll fight 2 on 1 night, etc

lets just say then that im not excited when that's all we have right now, let's step it up bois. sit down at da table! submit them offers!

I agree with what you’re saying.

This might be another publicity stunt.

The handlers of Fury and AJ need to talk.

If the offer is sincere though, which I think it might be, then another loss for AJ will essentially mark the end of his tenure being considered a marquee name in the sport of boxing.

And it might be better for Matchroom and DAZN to try to rebuild the Joshua brand over the course of four or five easy(ish) wins than accept a fourth defeat in six fights.

Matchroom and DAZN have a lot of money invested in AJ and the ink has only just dried on their newly-signed contract, which means it’s probably far too early for both parties to cash in their most prized asset.

There is a very lucrative market for heavyweight boxers in the UK to make many millions without a recent winning record, or a belt, just ask Del Boy or Whyte

The LAST thing AJ needs is to do 4 or 5 fights to rebuild his brand, ffs.

Thst would take 2-3 years. His prime is now and his brand is solid. He'll draw more right now in the UK than anyone.

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 22:31 The LAST thing AJ needs is to do 4 or 5 fights to rebuild his brand, ffs.

Thst would take 2-3 years. His prime is now and his brand is solid. He'll draw more right now in the UK than anyone.

Agreed, he probably has only a few fights left in him anyway, why waste them?

KiwiRider wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 21:32

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 21:06

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2022, 20:55 talk is too easy, hence fury doing it non stop and calling out everyone under the roof, saying he'll fight 2 on 1 night, etc

lets just say then that im not excited when that's all we have right now, let's step it up bois. sit down at da table! submit them offers!

I agree with what you’re saying.

This might be another publicity stunt.

The handlers of Fury and AJ need to talk.

If the offer is sincere though, which I think it might be, then another loss for AJ will essentially mark the end of his tenure being considered a marquee name in the sport of boxing.

And it might be better for Matchroom and DAZN to try to rebuild the Joshua brand over the course of four or five easy(ish) wins than accept a fourth defeat in six fights.

Matchroom and DAZN have a lot of money invested in AJ and the ink has only just dried on their newly-signed contract, which means it’s probably far too early for both parties to cash in their most prized asset.

There is a very lucrative market for heavyweight boxers in the UK to make many millions without a recent winning record, or a belt, just ask Del Boy or Whyte

Yes, but Joshua’s purses are in the region of being ten to fifteen times the sums commanded by Whyte and Chisora.

I genuinely believe that Matchroom and DAZN might consider prioritising their own long-term financial needs above Joshua’s desire to face Fury.

If Joshua was nearing the end of his contract with Matchroom and DAZN, I have no doubt Eddie Hearn would be compelled to immediately agree terms with Fury.

But the thing is, Joshua has only just signed a contract renewal with Matchroom and AJ’s deal with DAZN has only just begun.

And the Saudi’s sold the television rights of Joshua-Usyk II to Sky, which means DAZN hasn’t even had the opportunity to cover one of his fights yet, let alone allow AJ to make the jump to ESPN/BT Sports for his next bout to face Tyson Fury.

Fury wants Nov 26 or Dec 3, take it or leave it. Joshua wants Dec 10 or 17.
AJ is the bigger draw in the UK, and should get 50/50. I think he beats Fury too.

Bandog wrote: ↑07 Sep 2022, 10:16 Fury wants Nov 26 or Dec 3, take it or leave it. Joshua wants Dec 10 or 17.
AJ is the bigger draw in the UK, and should get 50/50. I think he beats Fury too.

Fury will destroy AJ.

Joshua can fight anyone he wants.

In fact AJ will fight anyone Eddie Hearn puts before him.

Fury, on the other hand, despite all of his unceasing infantile self promotion only fights those opponents he wants, and then only after much umming and ahhing, cheap empty promises and wrangling over purse splits.

He ran from David Price, he ran from the Klitschko rematch and ran from title defences.

Fury is really in no position to dictate terms.

Or anything else.

Anthony Joshua sells out any fight he's in.

Everyone knows the score.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 15:01

gilgamesh wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 13:46 Obviously when you're coming off 2 losses you need a guaranteed win next time out.

Chisora always seems available for that sorta thing.

Unfortunately Delboy is AJs close friend.

Dillian Whyte would fight anyone, but we don't want to see him become a journeyman, do we? Whyte needs to tighten up his defences before anything else.

However I think Anthony Joshua easily beats anyone outside Usyk right now.

Is it really that difficult to see just how much Anthony Joshua has improved?

Wasn't the pace of the return fight with Usyk over the whole 12 rounds impressive enough?

With the extra conditioning even his one precious slight weakness (punch resistance) wasn't too much of an issue

Whyte became a Journeyman like 10 years ago. He's always been a journeyman.