Buster Douglas vs Muhammad Ali

[Ambling Alp II]

Fury is not better than now than he was before the layoff. No reason to pretend that he is. He is very beatable.
Neither was Klitschko, who always seems to be brought up, regardless of what is being discussed. Think he has been talked to death.
Brought up Jordan because you can just take a look at his stats, which you can't really do in boxing.
There are dozens of other guys in boxing. (I mentioned Dempsey earlier) who were off for a long time and came back.
Ray Leonard was not as good against Halger as he was during his prime. Have never heard anyone say he was.

Leonard did come back and fought better than many expected. Ali was still a great fighter until the mid-70s. They just weren't as good as they once were. All I am saying.

Think this point has been beaten to death. I will let you have the last word. I'm sure it will be full of wisdom. Always a pleasure chatting with a pleasant person like you.

Will leave you one question in which I'm sure I will get a straight answer:
When watching video of Ali, does his hand speed, movement, and stamina seem better from 1964-1967 or in the 1970s?

[DrDuke]

Fury is not better than now than he was before the layoff. No reason to pretend that he is. He is very beatable.
Neither was Klitschko, who always seems to be brought up, regardless of what is being discussed. Think he has been talked to death.
Brought up Jordan because you can just take a look at his stats, which you can't really do in boxing.
There are dozens of other guys in boxing. (I mentioned Dempsey earlier) who were off for a long time and came back.
Ray Leonard was not as good against Halger as he was during his prime. Have never heard anyone say he was.

Leonard did come back and fought better than many expected. Ali was still a great fighter until the mid-70s. They just weren't as good as they once were. All I am saying.

Think this point has been beaten to death. I will let you have the last word. I'm sure it will be full of wisdom. Always a pleasure chatting with a pleasant person like you.

Will leave you one question in which I'm sure I will get a straight answer:
When watching video of Ali, does his hand speed, movement, and stamina seem better from 1964-1967 or in the 1970s?

Apart from another downshifting to ad hominem arguments, you mispresented my words, cause the point about Ali wasn't that he got better after the layoff. Instead I mean, that he remained in prime by the Frazier bout and it was the Frazier bout, which took the first portion of Ali's resourses, because it's hard fights and preparations to them what takes life from you. The same about Leonard, he was still there by the Hagler bout. Not improved, yet not declined. So, you either dull enough to read it properly or you intentionally mispresented my words, which makes it even worse of ya.

While Fury exactly improved after thr layoff, since he developed the aggressive style and became even more versatile fighter. If you can't see that, you are better to stop watching boxing and focus on basketball or talkshows for grandmas.

And your 'I'll give ya the last word' move is pathetic, because you always get back to these subjects, if not in one threads, but in the others.

[HomicideHenry]

One can make an argument that Tyson Fury has improved over time but from my view it depends on what you prefer. The man has essentially underwent four different styles in his career.

The first incarnation of Tyson Fury was this man who threw a lot of body shots and uppercuts. The second incarnation of Tyson Fury was a converted southpaw mover. The third incarnation of Tyson Fury was a switch hitter with great movement. The fourth incarnation of Tyson Fury has been a herky jerky defensive heavyweight who comes forward with hard jabs and right crosses.

The greatest strength that Tyson Fury has as a boxer is his willingness to be an adaptive fighter. It took a certain style in order to defeat Deontay Wilder. And Fury has relied on that style since, but I think part of it is the mind game aspect of the Gypsy King because if people are fully expecting him to stay in that Kronk style for Usyk they may just get the surprise of their life if he comes in under a fifth style change where it is a mix of the switch hitting mover and the bulldozing aggressor.

I have said in the past that Tyson Fury is the kind of man where he does like challenges and if people say he can't outbox the Ukrainian he may just try to prove people wrong. Basically all he's got to do is take half a step back and perpetually keep a jab in the chest of Usyk, which would force the Ukrainian to be more aggressive and potentially walk into an uppercut.