Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 17 Jul 2023, 23:13
by Evander
Can only think with Fury taking this fight the money must have been big.
Regardless, I don't really know who Ngannou is because he's not a boxer.
It's a bit risky considering the Joshua mega fight is so close.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 18 Jul 2023, 00:10
by Evander
Here is little of gossip and you can ask him yourself.
Tyson Fury walks into a restaurant in Sorrento Italy within the last 12 months and strikes up a conversation with a bunch of Spanish women, they're Spanish heritage but they're Londoners from my manor in London England.
I've know some of these ladies all my life.
Long and short of it was, Tyson struck up a conversation with them for over an hour and ended up having a bunch of laughs and he picked up the entire bill.
That's the Tyson Fury you might not hear about.
They thought he was a blast and one of the most entertaining and engaging people they had ever met.
And no there wasn't any scandal or anything like that and even if there was I wouldn't say.
He just walked on in and treated everyone like gold apparently.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 08:41
by pound per pound
Fury is soiling the heavyweight champion of the world by fighting a man with no boxing experience, who is old and has a bad knee. This is bad trifecta for an opponent of the heavyweight champion of the world.
Boxing history won't remember Fury fondly. He has pissed way his career by fighting past the prime men, most of whom were not good to begin with.
I hold nothing against Ngannou for getting paid. However he doesn't deserve this fight. By chance is Ngaannou wins, nah forget I said that. There is no chance of that happening. Well, there is a chance. Fury is boxer who has had points deducted from him in many fights before and cheated with PED's. He could take a dive, or get DQ'd and if that happens the wise guys will clean up. Think about it.
See what a mess this is? Fury has hit his fans in the bollocks. They might as well just send him the money to avoid this scam. Yes-- I am calling a rare fixed fight. How is happens I just do not know. Who is paying the fighters? Don't answer that question.
- P4P
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 09:17
by gp.
pound per pound wrote: ↑19 Jul 2023, 08:41
Fury is soiling the heavyweight champion of the world by fighting a man with no boxing experience, who is old and has a bad knee. This is bad trifecta for an opponent of the heavyweight champion of the world.
Boxing history won't remember Fury fondly. He has pissed way his career by fighting past the prime men, most of whom were not good to begin with.
I hold nothing against Ngannou for getting paid. However he doesn't deserve this fight. By chance is Ngaannou wins, nah forget I said that. There is no chance of that happening. Well, there is a chance. Fury is boxer who has had points deducted from him in many fights before and cheated with PED's. He could take a dive, or get DQ'd and if that happens the wise guys will clean up. Think about it.
See what a mess this is? Fury has hit his fans in the bollocks. They might as well just send him the money to avoid this scam. Yes-- I am calling a rare fixed fight. How is happens I just do not know. Who is paying the fighters? Don't answer that question.
- P4P
There are many reasons this is a bad fight, but "it could possibly be fixed, although I have no valid scenario to suggest how or why" isn't one of them.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 09:21
by gp.
Evander wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 01:47
This isn't going to work.
Who is he ?
Ngannou? He's a seriously high-level, top quality, very famous sportsman.
Mind you, so is Novak Djokovic, and Fury would have no business fighting him either.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Evander wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 01:47
This isn't going to work.
Who is he ?
Ngannou? He's a seriously high-level, top quality, very famous sportsman.
Mind you, so is Novak Djokovic, and Fury would have no business fighting him either.
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 13:56
by big lennox
Fury has completely ducked the Uysk challenge, and has found lots of inventive ways of avoiding him, including taking on an injured old man with no boxing fights under his belt, in his next bout.
A proper shameful exercise.
Here's Dan Rafael's view - from the 5 minute mark.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Evander wrote: ↑16 Jul 2023, 01:47
This isn't going to work.
Who is he ?
Ngannou? He's a seriously high-level, top quality, very famous sportsman.
Mind you, so is Novak Djokovic, and Fury would have no business fighting him either.
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Ngannou? He's a seriously high-level, top quality, very famous sportsman.
Mind you, so is Novak Djokovic, and Fury would have no business fighting him either.
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
Joshua didn't pursue Ngannou. Quite the opposite. Hearn spoke to Ngannou and Joshua said he had no interest in fighting Ngannou and asked him to stop talks.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 19 Jul 2023, 14:39
by pound per pound
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Jul 2023, 13:56
Fury has completely ducked the Uysk challenge, and has found lots of inventive ways of avoiding him, including taking on an injured old man with no boxing fights under his belt, in his next bout.
A proper shameful exercise.
Here's Dan Rafael's view - from the 5 minute mark.
I say this is a gimmick fight and prone to being fixed. In fact my hunch is, yes it is a pre arranged event. a.k.a a fix.
Bravo to Box Rec for not listing this Fury " fight "
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Jul 2023, 13:56
Fury has completely ducked the Uysk challenge, and has found lots of inventive ways of avoiding him, including taking on an injured old man with no boxing fights under his belt, in his next bout.
A proper shameful exercise.
Here's Dan Rafael's view - from the 5 minute mark.
I say this is a gimmick fight and prone to being fixed. In fact my hunch is, yes it is a pre arranged event. a.k.a a fix.
Bravo to Box Rec for not listing this Fury " fight "
Yes, sadly this will probably be much like the megafight with Mayweather and McShithead - whose face incidentally seems to looking more and more like a pancreas as time goes on - is he on massive does of HGH, because his head seems to be growing at a truly astonishing rate - Fury will shuck and jive, and do his best impression of a feather duster man, before breaking into a shades of Ali shuffle, ship a few shots from Ngannou, before he starts to land his own shots. I'd not even be surprised to see him carry him the distance. Given it's a 10 round fight, it seems possible.
It's an execrable avalache of ordure, a stain on the already beskidded arsecrack of boxing, I'd rather drink a gallon of boars piss, straight from the tap than pay a penny for this cack.
Other than that, I'm all in favour of it.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Jul 2023, 13:56
Fury has completely ducked the Uysk challenge, and has found lots of inventive ways of avoiding him, including taking on an injured old man with no boxing fights under his belt, in his next bout.
A proper shameful exercise.
Here's Dan Rafael's view - from the 5 minute mark.
I say this is a gimmick fight and prone to being fixed. In fact my hunch is, yes it is a pre arranged event. a.k.a a fix.
Bravo to Box Rec for not listing this Fury " fight "
Great interview that, agree with pretty much every single word of that. Restores my faith a little that the world isn't just full of arse licking shills.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
Joshua didn't pursue Ngannou. Quite the opposite. Hearn spoke to Ngannou and Joshua said he had no interest in fighting Ngannou and asked him to stop talks.
Nonsense.
They are only saying that now because the public is upset because Fury-Usyk hasn't happened. I can't believe people still believe anything Hearn or Joshua has to say considering Eddie will do anything for a buck, and Joshua's true colors show themselves everytime he loses or college students poke fun at him.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
"Ok, my guy is the only guy who has ever done these things, but everyone else would have done them themselves if they could, even though they all could have and didn't".
I think you have all the qualities Trump likes in a lawyer.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
False dichotomy. Novak is a tennis player. Ngannou is at least a champion in combat sports.
Not a dichotomy at all, in fact. Quite the opposite, as I am representing those two alternatives as being similar, not different.
And it's only a matter of degree. Both are absurdities. Unless you think the MMA heavyweight champion ought to be boxing the world heavyweight champion.
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
MMA boxing is very different to proper boxing. Glove size and type, defence, ability to throw and receive combinations with other limbs, risks of takedown and takedowns as a weapon. Half of them don't even raise their arms using a boxing guard because of the takedown risk. Even when the commentators credit an MMA for showing great boxing, they do not use boxing fundamentals in the exchange.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
From my vantage point it would be more of a gimmick if Fury went into a cage, because Fury would have to learn multiple disciplines, etc to remotely stand a chance.
At least with the mma guys boxing is in the fundamentals they need in order to succeed, so really they're just dropping everything else to focus on one primary discipline.
And again, Joshua and Wilder both pursued fights with Ngannou. Nobody bitched. So it's pure hypocrisy from so called "fans" who are just throwing a tantrum because Fury-Usyk did not happen on their timetable.
Besides since when has this sport ever delivered what the fans wanted exactly in the timeframe we wanted? It seldom ever happens. People need to calm down. It's ridiculous watching grown men cry like babies over the situation.
Joshua didn't pursue Ngannou. Quite the opposite. Hearn spoke to Ngannou and Joshua said he had no interest in fighting Ngannou and asked him to stop talks.
Nonsense.
They are only saying that now because the public is upset because Fury-Usyk hasn't happened. I can't believe people still believe anything Hearn or Joshua has to say considering Eddie will do anything for a buck, and Joshua's true colors show themselves everytime he loses or college students poke fun at him.
AJ has been in with Uysk twice, Andy Ruiz twice, and is set to face Wilder. Fury wont go anywhere near Uysk or Ruiz and is now boxing someone with no amateur experience.
AJ has more bottle than Fury will ever have. Different characters and, sadly, your man (Fury), has been measured, weighed, and found wanting by Uysk.
Are you looking forward to the mismatch? Excited to see what Fury can do with someone who won't be able to defend themselves?
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 20 Jul 2023, 18:42
by big lennox
I think this is a brilliant (and measured) summing up by Boxing News:
Joshua didn't pursue Ngannou. Quite the opposite. Hearn spoke to Ngannou and Joshua said he had no interest in fighting Ngannou and asked him to stop talks.
Nonsense.
They are only saying that now because the public is upset because Fury-Usyk hasn't happened. I can't believe people still believe anything Hearn or Joshua has to say considering Eddie will do anything for a buck, and Joshua's true colors show themselves everytime he loses or college students poke fun at him.
AJ has been in with Uysk twice, Andy Ruiz twice, and is set to face Wilder. Fury wont go anywhere near Uysk or Ruiz and is now boxing someone with no amateur experience.
AJ has more bottle than Fury will ever have. Different characters and, sadly, your man (Fury), has been measured, weighed, and found wanting by Uysk.
Are you looking forward to the mismatch? Excited to see what Fury can do with someone who won't be able to defend themselves?
My dad's bigger than your dad!!!
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
They are only saying that now because the public is upset because Fury-Usyk hasn't happened. I can't believe people still believe anything Hearn or Joshua has to say considering Eddie will do anything for a buck, and Joshua's true colors show themselves everytime he loses or college students poke fun at him.
AJ has been in with Uysk twice, Andy Ruiz twice, and is set to face Wilder. Fury wont go anywhere near Uysk or Ruiz and is now boxing someone with no amateur experience.
AJ has more bottle than Fury will ever have. Different characters and, sadly, your man (Fury), has been measured, weighed, and found wanting by Uysk.
Are you looking forward to the mismatch? Excited to see what Fury can do with someone who won't be able to defend themselves?
My dad's bigger than your dad!!!
Erm, this is the sport of boxing where people compete to see who the best boxer is...bless ya for not understanding that...
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
AJ has been in with Uysk twice, Andy Ruiz twice, and is set to face Wilder. Fury wont go anywhere near Uysk or Ruiz and is now boxing someone with no amateur experience.
AJ has more bottle than Fury will ever have. Different characters and, sadly, your man (Fury), has been measured, weighed, and found wanting by Uysk.
Are you looking forward to the mismatch? Excited to see what Fury can do with someone who won't be able to defend themselves?
My dad's bigger than your dad!!!
Erm, this is the sport of boxing where people compete to see who the best boxer is...bless ya for not understanding that...
"Erm" yerself. You two sound like 8 year olds arguing over your favorite super heros.
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 21 Jul 2023, 09:53
by Ruthless-RKO
This will be 10 rounds. 10oz gloves.
Boxing rules
Re: Tyson Fury vs. Francis Ngannou - October 28, 2023
Posted: 21 Jul 2023, 11:03
by Nightmare Roy
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑21 Jul 2023, 09:53
This will be 10 rounds. 10oz gloves.
Boxing rules
Should be 4 oz gloves with elbows allowed.
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