Dillian Whyte - Where does he go from here?

[SeanBrennan]

Happy to answer any questions on gear having used it, abused it, produced it, imported it, made it and sold it.

I do none of these things now.

[polecateddy]

Paul Bird's been dead half a year and they haven't transferred him to historical. Comically short list, too.

Interesting to see the drugs of choice and stacks across different sports though. Can't click on a weightlifter not expecting a counter's worth.

As I get older I find there's a paucity of research on potential anti-ageing benefits of microdosing. Most data's from athletes with an all-or-nothing approach, and for obvious reasons there isn't much of that either.

I would imagine a sizeable demographic of the middle aged testosterone using group, are the bodybuilders who did a lot of steroids and wrecked their body’s natural production levels. Pretty much all of them will die younger than they should have done. Micro dosing testosterone would involve injecting yourself daily with an insulin needle for pretty much the rest of your life for likely quite unclear benefits. Costly too! I also predict The Rocks organs will give out in the next ten years. He’s not making 60! Pretty much all the negative long term effects of PEDs are organ damage. Higher than normal testosterone in middle age would accelerate cancers present in your body too. Boosted testosterone in old age considered quite bad. It probably goes without saying the majority of people seeking out this stuff never actually genuinely suffer from low testosterone.

Microdosing can be done without the need for any injections ever. You can use gels, or oral anabolics.

And if you did microdose, you would almost never use a 1mil insulin pin, nor would you need to inject daily. You would, if you chose to inject, use a testosterone with a longer ester so you could inject once every 7-10 days. And you would use a normal sized needle, a 21g needle to withdraw the gear, and a 23g needle to inject it, both attached to a 2.5m barrel that would put the gear into, you can easily measure out 0.1m in it.

It is also not costly - if from a GP it's on a normal prescription.

If bought alternatively, a 10 mil bottle of test, or 10 x 1mil ampoules, will cost you between £35 and £55 depending on what you are buying.

You’d presumably struggle to get it on prescription in the UK unless you had genuinely very low testosterone. Don’t think the bodybuilders think much of the gels. Plus I suppose you’d have to factor in regular full medicals to make sure you’re not wrecking yourself. And deal with possible increased blood pressure and other fun side effects.

[SeanBrennan]

I would imagine a sizeable demographic of the middle aged testosterone using group, are the bodybuilders who did a lot of steroids and wrecked their body’s natural production levels. Pretty much all of them will die younger than they should have done. Micro dosing testosterone would involve injecting yourself daily with an insulin needle for pretty much the rest of your life for likely quite unclear benefits. Costly too! I also predict The Rocks organs will give out in the next ten years. He’s not making 60! Pretty much all the negative long term effects of PEDs are organ damage. Higher than normal testosterone in middle age would accelerate cancers present in your body too. Boosted testosterone in old age considered quite bad. It probably goes without saying the majority of people seeking out this stuff never actually genuinely suffer from low testosterone.

Microdosing can be done without the need for any injections ever. You can use gels, or oral anabolics.

And if you did microdose, you would almost never use a 1mil insulin pin, nor would you need to inject daily. You would, if you chose to inject, use a testosterone with a longer ester so you could inject once every 7-10 days. And you would use a normal sized needle, a 21g needle to withdraw the gear, and a 23g needle to inject it, both attached to a 2.5m barrel that would put the gear into, you can easily measure out 0.1m in it.

It is also not costly - if from a GP it's on a normal prescription.

If bought alternatively, a 10 mil bottle of test, or 10 x 1mil ampoules, will cost you between £35 and £55 depending on what you are buying.

You’d presumably struggle to get it on prescription in the UK unless you had genuinely very low testosterone. Don’t think the bodybuilders think much of the gels. Plus I suppose you’d have to factor in regular full medicals to make sure you’re not wrecking yourself. And deal with possible increased blood pressure and other fun side effects.

True. It is being prescribed more but nothing like in the US. My Irish mate is a nurse and knew he had low test so insisted on the tests and has been prescribed it. I know of no bb'ers who take the gels you're right on that one. And the medicals especially the blood work is something that you can definitely get free on the NHS. The reason most don't elect to do it on NHS is embarrassment. All my blood work has been done on the NHS. I have however paid for private endocrinology consultancy.

[Controversial]

Happy to answer any questions on gear having used it, abused it, produced it, imported it, made it and sold it.

I do none of these things now.

Would you consider any type of PEDs safe if taken correctly? I’m guessing not but can’t say I know much about it all, find it all very interesting though.

[SeanBrennan]

Happy to answer any questions on gear having used it, abused it, produced it, imported it, made it and sold it.

I do none of these things now.

Would you consider any type of PEDs safe if taken correctly? I’m guessing not but can’t say I know much about it all, find it all very interesting though.

I find it really interesting. Have read lots on it as it genuinely interests me and I've always been a bookworm. I think it depends on the PED, the circumstances, their baseline health and the person's own unique capacity to use PEDs. There is so little real research into their use on the people who use lots of them so I never really know. Most subject cohorts who are bb'ers and strongmen etc have admitted exceeding use of the proscribed dosage for the few studies undertaken.

There are so many PEDs including a few I took:

SARMS- selective androgen receptor modulators - I always found these beneficial to me - I often took them as a cheaper and alternative to HGH. I took CJC1295 and GHRP2 or GHRP6 as they seemed to work well together. And I felt no harm from them - but how do I know really? They could have been cooking my organs unbeknownst to me.

Fatburners - Clen and TH5/4 - bad - very bad. Never ever healthy. Messed my thyroid too.

HGH - works wonders, but so expensive for real stuff I ended up working out how to make it. Once bought some extracted from a cadaver. God bless China. Sides are bad - I have elongated elbows and feet grew again.

Anabolics - all varying degrees of negative harm. If you are using any, use something mild like tbol (not dbol) or anavar. Possibly winstrol. But they will all damage you.

In short, no mate. Eat healthy, train, and live long. I have caused every single one of my multiple health issues, all due to PED abuse - although I massively abused them so am an extreme(ly stupid) reference point.

Hope this helps.

[Controversial]

Happy to answer any questions on gear having used it, abused it, produced it, imported it, made it and sold it.

I do none of these things now.

Would you consider any type of PEDs safe if taken correctly? I’m guessing not but can’t say I know much about it all, find it all very interesting though.

I find it really interesting. Have read lots on it as it genuinely interests me and I've always been a bookworm. I think it depends on the PED, the circumstances, their baseline health and the person's own unique capacity to use PEDs. There is so little real research into their use on the people who use lots of them so I never really know. Most subject cohorts who are bb'ers and strongmen etc have admitted exceeding use of the proscribed dosage for the few studies undertaken.

There are so many PEDs including a few I took:

SARMS- selective androgen receptor modulators - I always found these beneficial to me - I often took them as a cheaper and alternative to HGH. I took CJC1295 and GHRP2 or GHRP6 as they seemed to work well together. And I felt no harm from them - but how do I know really? They could have been cooking my organs unbeknownst to me.

Fatburners - Clen and TH5/4 - bad - very bad. Never ever healthy. Messed my thyroid too.

HGH - works wonders, but so expensive for real stuff I ended up working out how to make it. Once bought some extracted from a cadaver. God bless China. Sides are bad - I have elongated elbows and feet grew again.

Anabolics - all varying degrees of negative harm. If you are using any, use something mild like tbol (not dbol) or anavar. Possibly winstrol. But they will all damage you.

In short, no mate. Eat healthy, train, and live long. I have caused every single one of my multiple health issues, all due to PED abuse - although I massively abused them so am an extreme(ly stupid) reference point.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for the long reply. You clearly know your stuff, I’m too chicken to take anything, I don’t even like taking over the counter medicine unless I really have to lol. So when you read stories of failed tests and the excuses people come out with (thinking Benn here) do you just laugh or can you see situations that someone could genuinely fail a test?

[SeanBrennan]

Would you consider any type of PEDs safe if taken correctly? I’m guessing not but can’t say I know much about it all, find it all very interesting though.

I find it really interesting. Have read lots on it as it genuinely interests me and I've always been a bookworm. I think it depends on the PED, the circumstances, their baseline health and the person's own unique capacity to use PEDs. There is so little real research into their use on the people who use lots of them so I never really know. Most subject cohorts who are bb'ers and strongmen etc have admitted exceeding use of the proscribed dosage for the few studies undertaken.

There are so many PEDs including a few I took:

SARMS- selective androgen receptor modulators - I always found these beneficial to me - I often took them as a cheaper and alternative to HGH. I took CJC1295 and GHRP2 or GHRP6 as they seemed to work well together. And I felt no harm from them - but how do I know really? They could have been cooking my organs unbeknownst to me.

Fatburners - Clen and TH5/4 - bad - very bad. Never ever healthy. Messed my thyroid too.

HGH - works wonders, but so expensive for real stuff I ended up working out how to make it. Once bought some extracted from a cadaver. God bless China. Sides are bad - I have elongated elbows and feet grew again.

Anabolics - all varying degrees of negative harm. If you are using any, use something mild like tbol (not dbol) or anavar. Possibly winstrol. But they will all damage you.

In short, no mate. Eat healthy, train, and live long. I have caused every single one of my multiple health issues, all due to PED abuse - although I massively abused them so am an extreme(ly stupid) reference point.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for the long reply. You clearly know your stuff, I’m too chicken to take anything, I don’t even like taking over the counter medicine unless I really have to lol. So when you read stories of failed tests and the excuses people come out with (thinking Benn here) do you just laugh or can you see situations that someone could genuinely fail a test?

You are very welcome and you are not chicken at all to not use PEDS - you're making a wise choice mate. I regret ever taking a thing, trust me. Regarding failed tests, I am not judging them but I just chuckle. The best person to listen to on PEDS in boxing is Larry Olubamiwo. They are bang at it. When I used to produce compounds, boxers were amongst the people who came - and this was not elite level. I am not judging any of them though, only their comedy lies.

And re me knowing my stuff, it is a very crap thing to be knowledgeable about. I wish I'd taught myself finance or something clever!

[Controversial]

I find it really interesting. Have read lots on it as it genuinely interests me and I've always been a bookworm. I think it depends on the PED, the circumstances, their baseline health and the person's own unique capacity to use PEDs. There is so little real research into their use on the people who use lots of them so I never really know. Most subject cohorts who are bb'ers and strongmen etc have admitted exceeding use of the proscribed dosage for the few studies undertaken.

There are so many PEDs including a few I took:

SARMS- selective androgen receptor modulators - I always found these beneficial to me - I often took them as a cheaper and alternative to HGH. I took CJC1295 and GHRP2 or GHRP6 as they seemed to work well together. And I felt no harm from them - but how do I know really? They could have been cooking my organs unbeknownst to me.

Fatburners - Clen and TH5/4 - bad - very bad. Never ever healthy. Messed my thyroid too.

HGH - works wonders, but so expensive for real stuff I ended up working out how to make it. Once bought some extracted from a cadaver. God bless China. Sides are bad - I have elongated elbows and feet grew again.

Anabolics - all varying degrees of negative harm. If you are using any, use something mild like tbol (not dbol) or anavar. Possibly winstrol. But they will all damage you.

In short, no mate. Eat healthy, train, and live long. I have caused every single one of my multiple health issues, all due to PED abuse - although I massively abused them so am an extreme(ly stupid) reference point.

Hope this helps.

Thank you for the long reply. You clearly know your stuff, I’m too chicken to take anything, I don’t even like taking over the counter medicine unless I really have to lol. So when you read stories of failed tests and the excuses people come out with (thinking Benn here) do you just laugh or can you see situations that someone could genuinely fail a test?

You are very welcome and you are not chicken at all to not use PEDS - you're making a wise choice mate. I regret ever taking a thing, trust me. Regarding failed tests, I am not judging them but I just chuckle. The best person to listen to on PEDS in boxing is Larry Olubamiwo. They are bang at it. When I used to produce compounds, boxers were amongst the people who came - and this was not elite level. I am not judging any of them though, only their comedy lies.

And re me knowing my stuff, it is a very crap thing to be knowledgeable about. I wish I'd taught myself finance or something clever!

I listened to Larry talking about PEDS on a podcast, an interesting episode. It does kind of make you think all top level fighters are taking something!

You live and learn mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

[SeanBrennan]

Thank you for the long reply. You clearly know your stuff, I’m too chicken to take anything, I don’t even like taking over the counter medicine unless I really have to lol. So when you read stories of failed tests and the excuses people come out with (thinking Benn here) do you just laugh or can you see situations that someone could genuinely fail a test?

You are very welcome and you are not chicken at all to not use PEDS - you're making a wise choice mate. I regret ever taking a thing, trust me. Regarding failed tests, I am not judging them but I just chuckle. The best person to listen to on PEDS in boxing is Larry Olubamiwo. They are bang at it. When I used to produce compounds, boxers were amongst the people who came - and this was not elite level. I am not judging any of them though, only their comedy lies.

And re me knowing my stuff, it is a very crap thing to be knowledgeable about. I wish I'd taught myself finance or something clever!

I listened to Larry talking about PEDS on a podcast, an interesting episode. It does kind of make you think all top level fighters are taking something!

You live and learn mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

thanks buddy it sure is. I wasn't moaning, I am a very happy content man. I still train every day and advise others on PEDs and competing so enjoy that.

[Controversial]

You are very welcome and you are not chicken at all to not use PEDS - you're making a wise choice mate. I regret ever taking a thing, trust me. Regarding failed tests, I am not judging them but I just chuckle. The best person to listen to on PEDS in boxing is Larry Olubamiwo. They are bang at it. When I used to produce compounds, boxers were amongst the people who came - and this was not elite level. I am not judging any of them though, only their comedy lies.

And re me knowing my stuff, it is a very crap thing to be knowledgeable about. I wish I'd taught myself finance or something clever!

I listened to Larry talking about PEDS on a podcast, an interesting episode. It does kind of make you think all top level fighters are taking something!

You live and learn mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

thanks buddy it sure is. I wasn't moaning, I am a very happy content man. I still train every day and advise others on PEDs and competing so enjoy that.

Fair play mate. Are you much weaker since stopping the PEDS, do they make a huge difference?

[Grilling Machine]

You’d presumably struggle to get it on prescription in the UK unless you had genuinely very low testosterone.

Yeah, it seems much harder to get drugs in the UK than the US. Upsides and down to that I think.

When my T was low on my last bloods I went to see an endo to ask about TRT, and was advised quite strongly against it. Too many introduced risks for a minimal benefit I was told. I was thinking much more along the lines of a patch, because I remember the mess Toney was in after abusing it.

I believe the UK threshold for intervention's lower than in the US? I felt a bit palmed off with the old diet and exercise talk, but didn't push it as I agree I'm basically healthy. I'm just at an age where I'd love to continue offroad biking and it's starting to get harder, so a little boost from somewhere'd be great.

Posters of McDonnell's vintage might recall...

https://player.bfi.org.uk/free/film/wat ... 951-online

[SeanBrennan]

I listened to Larry talking about PEDS on a podcast, an interesting episode. It does kind of make you think all top level fighters are taking something!

You live and learn mate, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

thanks buddy it sure is. I wasn't moaning, I am a very happy content man. I still train every day and advise others on PEDs and competing so enjoy that.

Fair play mate. Are you much weaker since stopping the PEDS, do they make a huge difference?

They make a massive difference, light and day. What I do as someone no longer using, it I eat a high protein diet, lots of calories, and my weight is still around 19 stone - it was 23 stone as a strongman and I was A LOT leaner then which shows you the difference. Reason my bodyweight is as high as it is is I've signed up to a charity strongman comp for my mate In terms of comparison of strength. On PEDS, I could deadlift 310kg. Off, I wobble up 220kg at the mo. In bench, I could press 200kg. Off, I can bounce 140kg and it's a very shit bounce.

Once you have used PEDS then gone off, it is never the same.

[Controversial]

thanks buddy it sure is. I wasn't moaning, I am a very happy content man. I still train every day and advise others on PEDs and competing so enjoy that.

Fair play mate. Are you much weaker since stopping the PEDS, do they make a huge difference?

They make a massive difference, light and day. What I do as someone no longer using, it I eat a high protein diet, lots of calories, and my weight is still around 19 stone - it was 23 stone as a strongman and I was A LOT leaner then which shows you the difference. Reason my bodyweight is as high as it is is I've signed up to a charity strongman comp for my mate In terms of comparison of strength. On PEDS, I could deadlift 310kg. Off, I wobble up 220kg at the mo. In bench, I could press 200kg. Off, I can bounce 140kg and it's a very shit bounce.

Once you have used PEDS then gone off, it is never the same.

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

[SeanBrennan]

Fair play mate. Are you much weaker since stopping the PEDS, do they make a huge difference?

They make a massive difference, light and day. What I do as someone no longer using, it I eat a high protein diet, lots of calories, and my weight is still around 19 stone - it was 23 stone as a strongman and I was A LOT leaner then which shows you the difference. Reason my bodyweight is as high as it is is I've signed up to a charity strongman comp for my mate In terms of comparison of strength. On PEDS, I could deadlift 310kg. Off, I wobble up 220kg at the mo. In bench, I could press 200kg. Off, I can bounce 140kg and it's a very shit bounce.

Once you have used PEDS then gone off, it is never the same.

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

Nearly 100% yes. I can only speak for the people I know and I know nearly every UK person who has competed at World's Strongest Man since 2012. The only ones I do not think took anything are:

- Ben Kelsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Kelsey_(strongman) he was a fireman and half the size of the rest, switched to weightlifting after his one appearance at WSM. Lovely, intelligent athlete.

- Paul Smith - known him since he was at uni, has made the incremental gains that are slow, has the body of a throw back, 5ft 11 but squat, trains so hard, never made big jumps in performance. Possibly the best genetics of anyone I know but quietly avowedly anti PEDS. Has competed once at WSM. And given his life to the sport but looks normal and I really do not think he uses.

Both of the above did not make the final at WSM.

Everyone else, are on truckloads of gear. I have "supported" a few of the UK competitors so happy to DM you their cycles but not seeking to cast dispersions on them publicly as they're good people in a sport that only injures themselves.

[cormack]

Happy to answer any questions on gear having used it, abused it, produced it, imported it, made it and sold it.

I do none of these things now.

what was your reason or motivation to use it in the first place ?

[Controversial]

They make a massive difference, light and day. What I do as someone no longer using, it I eat a high protein diet, lots of calories, and my weight is still around 19 stone - it was 23 stone as a strongman and I was A LOT leaner then which shows you the difference. Reason my bodyweight is as high as it is is I've signed up to a charity strongman comp for my mate In terms of comparison of strength. On PEDS, I could deadlift 310kg. Off, I wobble up 220kg at the mo. In bench, I could press 200kg. Off, I can bounce 140kg and it's a very shit bounce.

Once you have used PEDS then gone off, it is never the same.

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

Nearly 100% yes. I can only speak for the people I know and I know nearly every UK person who has competed at World's Strongest Man since 2012. The only ones I do not think took anything are:

- Ben Kelsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Kelsey_(strongman) he was a fireman and half the size of the rest, switched to weightlifting after his one appearance at WSM. Lovely, intelligent athlete.

- Paul Smith - known him since he was at uni, has made the incremental gains that are slow, has the body of a throw back, 5ft 11 but squat, trains so hard, never made big jumps in performance. Possibly the best genetics of anyone I know but quietly avowedly anti PEDS. Has competed once at WSM. And given his life to the sport but looks normal and I really do not think he uses.

Both of the above did not make the final at WSM.

Everyone else, are on truckloads of gear. I have "supported" a few of the UK competitors so happy to DM you their cycles but not seeking to cast dispersions on them publicly as they're good people in a sport that only injures themselves.

Interesting. So they don't test anyone then basically. I've watched the WSM competitions from a kid onwards, back to the Bill Kazmaier days. Every so often a new face appears in the finals, or someone is around for a few years and disappears. Is that to do with them hitting PEDs hard for a while, and then stopping, or is it more injury based?

[polecateddy]

The big bodybuilders seem to drop dead a lot more in middle age than the strongmen, or have I got that wrong? Could it be the bodybuilding extreme dieting aspect? Extra drug cocktails.

[quickeyg]

I know Dean Whyte's past history.

[si7dog7]

They make a massive difference, light and day. What I do as someone no longer using, it I eat a high protein diet, lots of calories, and my weight is still around 19 stone - it was 23 stone as a strongman and I was A LOT leaner then which shows you the difference. Reason my bodyweight is as high as it is is I've signed up to a charity strongman comp for my mate In terms of comparison of strength. On PEDS, I could deadlift 310kg. Off, I wobble up 220kg at the mo. In bench, I could press 200kg. Off, I can bounce 140kg and it's a very shit bounce.

Once you have used PEDS then gone off, it is never the same.

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

Nearly 100% yes. I can only speak for the people I know and I know nearly every UK person who has competed at World's Strongest Man since 2012. The only ones I do not think took anything are:

- Ben Kelsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Kelsey_(strongman) he was a fireman and half the size of the rest, switched to weightlifting after his one appearance at WSM. Lovely, intelligent athlete.

- Paul Smith - known him since he was at uni, has made the incremental gains that are slow, has the body of a throw back, 5ft 11 but squat, trains so hard, never made big jumps in performance. Possibly the best genetics of anyone I know but quietly avowedly anti PEDS. Has competed once at WSM. And given his life to the sport but looks normal and I really do not think he uses.

Both of the above did not make the final at WSM.

Everyone else, are on truckloads of gear. I have "supported" a few of the UK competitors so happy to DM you their cycles but not seeking to cast dispersions on them publicly as they're good people in a sport that only injures themselves.

Sean
This is really interesting stuff my friend.

You should have your own Q&A thread.

Informative and sobering also.

Thanks for sharing so candidly

[SeanBrennan]

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

Nearly 100% yes. I can only speak for the people I know and I know nearly every UK person who has competed at World's Strongest Man since 2012. The only ones I do not think took anything are:

- Ben Kelsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Kelsey_(strongman) he was a fireman and half the size of the rest, switched to weightlifting after his one appearance at WSM. Lovely, intelligent athlete.

- Paul Smith - known him since he was at uni, has made the incremental gains that are slow, has the body of a throw back, 5ft 11 but squat, trains so hard, never made big jumps in performance. Possibly the best genetics of anyone I know but quietly avowedly anti PEDS. Has competed once at WSM. And given his life to the sport but looks normal and I really do not think he uses.

Both of the above did not make the final at WSM.

Everyone else, are on truckloads of gear. I have "supported" a few of the UK competitors so happy to DM you their cycles but not seeking to cast dispersions on them publicly as they're good people in a sport that only injures themselves.

Sean
This is really interesting stuff my friend.

You should have your own Q&A thread.

Informative and sobering also.

Thanks for sharing so candidly

thank you so much Si, much appreciated mate. Glad it is of use.

[SeanBrennan]

Blimey, so presumably all the blokes you see on the world’s strongest man competitions are all on something?

Nearly 100% yes. I can only speak for the people I know and I know nearly every UK person who has competed at World's Strongest Man since 2012. The only ones I do not think took anything are:

- Ben Kelsey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Kelsey_(strongman) he was a fireman and half the size of the rest, switched to weightlifting after his one appearance at WSM. Lovely, intelligent athlete.

- Paul Smith - known him since he was at uni, has made the incremental gains that are slow, has the body of a throw back, 5ft 11 but squat, trains so hard, never made big jumps in performance. Possibly the best genetics of anyone I know but quietly avowedly anti PEDS. Has competed once at WSM. And given his life to the sport but looks normal and I really do not think he uses.

Both of the above did not make the final at WSM.

Everyone else, are on truckloads of gear. I have "supported" a few of the UK competitors so happy to DM you their cycles but not seeking to cast dispersions on them publicly as they're good people in a sport that only injures themselves.

Interesting. So they don't test anyone then basically. I've watched the WSM competitions from a kid onwards, back to the Bill Kazmaier days. Every so often a new face appears in the finals, or someone is around for a few years and disappears. Is that to do with them hitting PEDs hard for a while, and then stopping, or is it more injury based?

Hi mate. The only testing in strongman is if they explicitly market it as natural or tested. There are very few comps like this.

In terms of reasoning behind people appearing then disappearing, a multitude of reasons from my experience. Some quit realising it is not worth the health sacrifice (case in point is Lloyd Renals from a decade ago, English fella, put 10 stone on in couple of years and got to WSM, realised the PEDS required for next level and was wise enough to say stuff that. Others go away due to other illegal activities such as former Britain's Strongest Man Jimmy Marku https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... maran.html. Others do similar like Jack Mcintosh. Others get bad health issues like Darren Sadler, he retired and now runs the main comps Giants Live. Others meet tragic ends http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nort ... 022524.stm.

It is a sport littered with tragedy and farce sadly.

[SeanBrennan]

I suspect Whyte is serving his ban in silence and has had lawyers make people in the know keep quiet. He will come back in another year or so and pretend he beat the case and act like it never happened.

I have written in general terms about this very thing
On the Conor Benn thread.

Sportsmen or women who can afford it can silence an organisation under the privacy
Laws.

I am told such amn injunction costs 6 figures

jesus Spud, did not know that. Does not surprise me though.

[SeanBrennan]

The big bodybuilders seem to drop dead a lot more in middle age than the strongmen, or have I got that wrong? Could it be the bodybuilding extreme dieting aspect? Extra drug cocktails.

I think you've hit the nail on the head there mate.

[SeanBrennan]

I know Dean Whyte's past history.

wasn't he sent down for a gang fight? His real surname is Urquhart isn't it, not Scott

[SeanBrennan]

I know Dean Whyte's past history.

wasn't he sent down for a gang fight? His real surname is Urquhart isn't it, not Scott

I know he was heavily involved in heroin and crack selling.