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gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 20:17 Cards are looking very good. If huni, Moses and jalo are in real fights then they are looking incredible.

Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

So, Feb & March Saudi cards and the Heavyweight:
1 great bout, Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk (but we've known this since October)
1 very good bout, Zhilei Zhang VS Joseph Parker
1 10-round performance Anthony Joshua VS Francis Ngannou (very much hype, fuss, noise and all this)
some prospects (not as good as advertised) vs TBA

There were great expectations...

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22

gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 20:17 Cards are looking very good. If huni, Moses and jalo are in real fights then they are looking incredible.

Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

What makes you say they are fake prospects? Both are being moved very quick for young guys with no Olympic medals or amature world titles.

Itamu fought dob third fight, that’s super solid for an 18 year old.

Huni fought opelu in a 10 rounder on debut, one of the toughest deput choices I can remember for a non Olympian.

They have a lot of work to go, but they are some of good prospects for there age. Can’t really compare them to 30 year old olympian “prospects” I guess, but very solid on the limit info we have.

Just an observation: 3 Saudi cards (December, Feb & March) - 6 boxers from Australia+New Zealand.
Joseph Parker, Jai Opetaia, Junior Fa, Mark De Mori, David Nyika, Justis Huni.

never seen boxers so active before!

This great..

They're all puppets and his excellency is their master.

He made Frank and Eddie shake hands.

gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 05:47

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22

gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 20:17 Cards are looking very good. If huni, Moses and jalo are in real fights then they are looking incredible.

Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

What makes you say they are fake prospects? Both are being moved very quick for young guys with no Olympic medals or amature world titles.

Itamu fought dob third fight, that’s super solid for an 18 year old.

Huni fought opelu in a 10 rounder on debut, one of the toughest deput choices I can remember for a non Olympian.

They have a lot of work to go, but they are some of good prospects for there age. Can’t really compare them to 30 year old olympian “prospects” I guess, but very solid on the limit info we have.

For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho. Maybe at Bridger, I don't know.
BTW, both Huni (2016) and Itauma (2022) have amateur Youth World titles (U19). But I stand by my prediction.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 06:04 never seen boxers so active before!

Hmm... At HW, Joshua and Parker yes, they are active. But others ?..

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 07:16

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 06:04 never seen boxers so active before!

Hmm... At HW, Joshua and Parker yes, they are active. But others ?..

I mean fights are being discussed more than ever..

I said before, a lot of these undercard fights on these cards, any promoter would have them as their own headliners..

Parker-Zhang would defintely be its own headline.

Vargas-Ball 100% its own headline.

Every single one of them fights on the Day Or Reckoning card maybe bar Hrg-Mori would have been their own headliner.

Hmm... Rey Vargas is a very inactive boxer. Zhang's activity is no more than "normal" with 2 fights a year.

How about bringing boxing back to the masses here in the UK or the US instead of going where the blood money is...

IRONFIST wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 11:42 How about bringing boxing back to the masses here in the UK or the US instead of going where the blood money is...

People can't afford/don't want to pay such crazy amounts of money that a tiny handful of boxers (already very rich) want to put in their pockets.

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22

gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 20:17 Cards are looking very good. If huni, Moses and jalo are in real fights then they are looking incredible.

Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

Huni won an AIBA bronze at age 20 at Super, and you think he's a fake prospect?

I guess only Gold winners like Tony Yoka are real prospects these days.

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22

gregregegg wrote: ↑15 Jan 2024, 20:17 Cards are looking very good. If huni, Moses and jalo are in real fights then they are looking incredible.

Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

Huni won an AIBA bronze at age 20 at Super, and you think he's a fake prospect?

I guess only Gold winners like Tony Yoka are real prospects these days.

As you said, Tony Yoka was a more outstanding amateur than Justis Huni, he had more achievements. But Yoka is not a real prospect at HW in pro boxing and never was.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:44

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22
Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

Huni won an AIBA bronze at age 20 at Super, and you think he's a fake prospect?

I guess only Gold winners like Tony Yoka are real prospects these days.

As you said, Tony Yoka was a more outstanding amateur than Justis Huni, he had more achievements. But Yoka is not a real prospect at HW in pro boxing and never was.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

One of those will probably pick a belt one day - be surprised if one of them (probably Itauma) turns out to be better than King Charles, Big Daddy, White Tyson, The White Wolf, etc...

skanksta wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 14:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:44 For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

One of those will probably pick a belt one day - be surprised if one of them (probably Itauma) turns out to be better than King Charles, Big Daddy, White Tyson, The White Wolf, etc...

Siarhei Liakhovich had the WBO belt when there was no "Big Four", only "Big Three", WBO was minor org. then.
Lucas Browne wasn't a champion, he never had a real WBA belt.
Ruslan Chagaev was way better in his best days than these so called prospects.
Who is King Charles? Charles Martin? You promoted him from "Prince Charles".

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:44

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22
Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

Huni won an AIBA bronze at age 20 at Super, and you think he's a fake prospect?

I guess only Gold winners like Tony Yoka are real prospects these days.

As you said, Tony Yoka was a more outstanding amateur than Justis Huni, he had more achievements. But Yoka is not a real prospect at HW in pro boxing and never was.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

So who are heavyweight prospects then?

The idea of being a prospect is you might become so thing one day, not you will defiantly be world champ….

I’m guessing jah, ok clear stand out, very close to just being a contender now but I’ll still have him a prospect…

Jalo? Sure he is great but 30…

You gotta have some young prospects who are less proven? Who are they?

Purse bids cancelled. They will be in seperate bouts..

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 14:56

skanksta wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 14:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:44 For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

One of those will probably pick a belt one day - be surprised if one of them (probably Itauma) turns out to be better than King Charles, Big Daddy, White Tyson, The White Wolf, etc...

Siarhei Liakhovich had the WBO belt when there was no "Big Four", only "Big Three", WBO was minor org. then.
Lucas Browne wasn't a champion, he never had a real WBA belt.
Ruslan Chagaev was way better in his best days than these so called prospects.
Who is King Charles? Charles Martin? You promoted him from "Prince Charles".

He became King Charles when he won the belt !

gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 15:48
So who are heavyweight prospects then?

It's a very good question...
Personally, I can’t name anyone except Jared Anderson.
And "old prospect" (but not so old as Joyce before Zhang) Bakhodir Jalolov. Probably two-time Olympic Gold Medalist by this August.
There are rumours that Kevin Lerena is considered as an opponent for Justis Huni. It's really big step-up. I'd say again, if we talk about up-to-date Bridgerweight then Huni maybe a real prospect there, I agree. But not at HW.

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:44

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 13:20

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 04:22
Moses Itauma and Justis Huni will be badly exposed in real fights. They are fake prospects, I don't believe the hype. So they are going to fight bums for 3-4 years.
Jalolov is going to 2024 Olympics, he will not take serious risky fights before it.

Huni won an AIBA bronze at age 20 at Super, and you think he's a fake prospect?

I guess only Gold winners like Tony Yoka are real prospects these days.

As you said, Tony Yoka was a more outstanding amateur than Justis Huni, he had more achievements. But Yoka is not a real prospect at HW in pro boxing and never was.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. Moses Itauma and Justis Huni have no chances at HW, imho.
In addition, Richard Torrez Jr, for example, is not a real HW prospect too.

Ok, so the only real HW prospects ever have been Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Wlad Klitchko, and Anthony Joshua. And Klitschko was probably DQed after 3 losses. Everyone else has been a pretender for being too old or not winning gold.

omalley wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 18:39

gregregegg wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 15:48
So who are heavyweight prospects then?

It's a very good question...
Personally, I can’t name anyone except Jared Anderson.
And "old prospect" (but not so old as Joyce before Zhang) Bakhodir Jalolov. Probably two-time Olympic Gold Medalist by this August.
There are rumours that Kevin Lerena is considered as an opponent for Justis Huni. It's really big step-up. I'd say again, if we talk about up-to-date Bridgerweight then Huni maybe a real prospect there, I agree. But not at HW.

So you have 1 prospect under 29…

Moses is 19 and is arguably the best pro under 24…. That has to put him in prospect territory surely, literally no one near him for his age group….

As for huni being a Bridger weight, he is a 6”4 islander… he could make 225, but he is plenty big enough to have a good heavyweight carrer basically joe Parker sized (or jah Anderson sized).

Jah is the best prospect, but a lot can go wrong for him too. I think it’s absolutely possible for huni or Moses to have a world title at some point in their carrer.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 02:13
Moses is 19 and is arguably the best pro under 24…. That has to put him in prospect territory surely, literally no one near him for his age group….

1. People who are 19 now can become pro boxers in 3-4 years and turn out to be better than Itauma, real prospects.
2. If some young pro boxer N is the best in his age group (3-4 years range) at the moment, among those we know, it doesn't make him a real prospect by default.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 02:13 As for huni being a Bridger weight, he is a 6”4 islander… he could make 225, but he is plenty big enough to have a good heavyweight carrer basically joe Parker sized (or jah Anderson sized).

May be Huni is plenty big enough, but he is not good enough to become a heavyweight champion. That's my point.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 02:13 Jah is the best prospect, but a lot can go wrong for him too.

Of course.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 02:13 I think it’s absolutely possible for huni or Moses to have a world title at some point in their carrer.

That's your opinion, I have no problem with it. But I have my own.

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 23:10 Ok, so the only real HW prospects ever have been Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Wlad Klitchko, and Anthony Joshua. And Klitschko was probably DQed after 3 losses. Everyone else has been a pretender for being too old or not winning gold.

Sorry, I don't understand you.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. I've seen several pro bouts of Itauma, Huni, Torrez Jr and I believe they are not good enough, not real HW prospects.
I consider Jared Anderson as a real HW prospect.
Maybe I'm wrong, the future will tell.
I am not discussing the amateur careers of any boxers here, it is beyond the scope of my interests.

omalley wrote: ↑17 Jan 2024, 03:28

SportsRatings wrote: ↑16 Jan 2024, 23:10 Ok, so the only real HW prospects ever have been Ali, Frazier, Foreman, Lennox Lewis, Wlad Klitchko, and Anthony Joshua. And Klitschko was probably DQed after 3 losses. Everyone else has been a pretender for being too old or not winning gold.

Sorry, I don't understand you.
For me a good prospect is a boxer who can become a champion some day. I've seen several pro bouts of Itauma, Huni, Torrez Jr and I believe they are not good enough, not real HW prospects.
I consider Jared Anderson as a real HW prospect.
Maybe I'm wrong, the future will tell.
I am not discussing the amateur careers of any boxers here, it is beyond the scope of my interests.

It just seems your bar for "prospect" is a bit high, if JA is the only prospect out there. Most people just use that word differently I guess, it normally means someone to keep an eye on, which is a pretty low bar.

gregregegg wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 15:07

Evander wrote: ↑04 Jan 2024, 04:09

gregregegg wrote: ↑03 Jan 2024, 05:54

Good shout although id prefer to see him in england defending the brittish title vs fraze, chisora or joyce...... But Kabayal for the euro would be nice but i feel wardly ducks that (fair enough too).

Why do you think he ducks it ?

Just don’t think wardly would win, think his team would feel the same. Kabayal is a big fight, but probably not big enough for wardly to take it nthinking he will lose, unless there was crazy money.

Wardly can whack, but isn’t a great boxer. Kab was looking sharp last fight.

Kab probably has eyes on bigger and better things than wardly anyway. Just don’t see it happening really. But I’m wrong a lot.

I'd have to give it a closer look, but it's hardly a mismatch and one that Wardley might want to consider.
A 24-0 16 K0's scalp would look good on his record.