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margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 11:52 aj absolutely smashed. he should sit it out until a big cashout fury fight, and then retire

big dubs with 3 very good wins since usyk stopped him, nice work. talks softly (and awkwardly as hell) but carries some heavy arse hands

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 13:46 beaten again unless usyk has slid, maybe he has by the time that would even happen

dubs was destructive vs aj, but usyk's movement and overall skill means that dubs isnt getting to land his power nearly as much

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 18:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

si7dog7 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:51

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:43

Yeah, I'm not sure about that, let's not forget, Jumbo Cummings had Bruno all over the gaff in the first scare of his career.

Bruno had very poor survivial instincts, even the ghost of McCall almost had him out of there.

Lewis was not in his prime when he faced Frank, and that was arguably the best performance ever by Bruno, he has a lot of wounded pride going into the fight

Got to disagree James.
Frank was too brave for his own good.
I’m not saying he was so great. I’m saying he is so derided. So much so that folks on websites mock him.
No. Frank was very good. In an era of proper fighters.
How would AJ fare against Tim, Lennox, Tyson? Against Bonecrusher Smith.
Tbh I think The Late Gary Mason takes his head off.
Respect James. But I disagree mate

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 05:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

si7dog7 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:51
Got to disagree James.
Frank was too brave for his own good.
I’m not saying he was so great. I’m saying he is so derided. So much so that folks on websites mock him.
No. Frank was very good. In an era of proper fighters.
How would AJ fare against Tim, Lennox, Tyson? Against Bonecrusher Smith.
Tbh I think The Late Gary Mason takes his head off.
Respect James. But I disagree mate

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

The ‘Frank bruno was a great fighter retrospective’ is embarrassing. He was awful. A huge muscled puncher with a big right hand and a slow but powerful jab. He was very robotic and preyed on out of shape, old and small fighters…: and was an extremely dirty fighter.

Never beat any decent fighter near their primes.
McCall was a very tough fighter but had many losses. He also had a bad crack cocaine problem including using previous to that fight.
Coetzee hadn’t trained. Bruno is known for the fights he lost - and he lost them clearly and without question.

I urge anyone to looks at YoutUbe vids of Bruno to see how bad he was. Joshua is far superior. Frank was very dirty and allowed to get away with it too. It makes me laugh when people say he’d definitely KO Joshua, Klitschko, Fury etc

dookus wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 13:44

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 Sep 2024, 11:52 aj absolutely smashed. he should sit it out until a big cashout fury fight, and then retire

big dubs with 3 very good wins since usyk stopped him, nice work. talks softly (and awkwardly as hell) but carries some heavy arse hands

How do you think DD would do in a rematch with Usyk?

mickey1975 wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 06:03

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 05:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

The ‘Frank bruno was a great fighter retrospective’ is embarrassing. He was awful. A huge muscled puncher with a big right hand and a slow but powerful jab. He was very robotic and preyed on out of shape, old and small fighters…: and was an extremely dirty fighter.

Never beat any decent fighter near their primes.
McCall was a very tough fighter but had many losses. He also had a bad crack cocaine problem including using previous to that fight.
Coetzee hadn’t trained. Bruno is known for the fights he lost - and he lost them clearly and without question.

I urge anyone to looks at YoutUbe vids of Bruno to see how bad he was. Joshua is far superior. Frank was very dirty and allowed to get away with it too. It makes me laugh when people say he’d definitely KO Joshua, Klitschko, Fury etc

Better than AJ doesn't mean he's a great.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 05:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

si7dog7 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:51
Got to disagree James.
Frank was too brave for his own good.
I’m not saying he was so great. I’m saying he is so derided. So much so that folks on websites mock him.
No. Frank was very good. In an era of proper fighters.
How would AJ fare against Tim, Lennox, Tyson? Against Bonecrusher Smith.
Tbh I think The Late Gary Mason takes his head off.
Respect James. But I disagree mate

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

The ‘Frank bruno was a great fighter retrospective’ is embarrassing. He was awful. A huge muscled puncher with a big right hand and a slow but powerful jab. He was very robotic and preyed on out of shape, old and small fighters…: and was an extremely dirty fighter.

Never beat any decent fighter near their primes.
McCall was a very tough fighter but had many losses. He also had a bad crack cocaine problem including using previous to that fight.
Coetzee hadn’t trained. Bruno is known for the fights he lost - and he lost them clearly and without question.

I urge anyone to looks at YoutUbe vids of Bruno to see how bad he was. Joshua is far superior. Frank was very dirty and allowed to get away with it too. It makes me laugh when people say he’d definitely KO Joshua, Klitschko, Fury etc

mickey1975 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 12:05

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

si7dog7 wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 10:51
Got to disagree James.
Frank was too brave for his own good.
I’m not saying he was so great. I’m saying he is so derided. So much so that folks on websites mock him.
No. Frank was very good. In an era of proper fighters.
How would AJ fare against Tim, Lennox, Tyson? Against Bonecrusher Smith.
Tbh I think The Late Gary Mason takes his head off.
Respect James. But I disagree mate

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

Top 20 is extremely generous. He's 28-4 in a weak era where he has had all the advantages known to man and bever boxed his main rivals! Forget the fact I'm a Fury fan, I've been constantly saying this since BEFORE the Olympics.

forcefraser wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 13:48

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑24 Sep 2024, 05:10

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑22 Sep 2024, 11:45

That's fine mate, noting wrong with disagreeing.

Smith, I think Smith was just a big lump really, big puncher, similar to Dubois, but bigger and stronger if anything.

Tim Witherspoon blew hot and cold, good fighter, cagey, but also not in the best of shape often.

Lennox is cut above everybody around right now.

Mason, interesting call, Mason had a hell of a chin, and serious firepower, easy to see him flattening AJ down the stretch.

Frank was very brave, but when he got hurt, he turned into a statue, would just stand there shipping punishment.

A peak AJ, maybe just a slight favourite over Frank in his prime, not a lot in it for me,

As I said earlier, Joshua would be lucky to crack top 20 of all time, and probably lower, as he only has a handful of good wins in a pretty weak era.

The ‘Frank bruno was a great fighter retrospective’ is embarrassing. He was awful. A huge muscled puncher with a big right hand and a slow but powerful jab. He was very robotic and preyed on out of shape, old and small fighters…: and was an extremely dirty fighter.

Never beat any decent fighter near their primes.
McCall was a very tough fighter but had many losses. He also had a bad crack cocaine problem including using previous to that fight.
Coetzee hadn’t trained. Bruno is known for the fights he lost - and he lost them clearly and without question.

I urge anyone to looks at YoutUbe vids of Bruno to see how bad he was. Joshua is far superior. Frank was very dirty and allowed to get away with it too. It makes me laugh when people say he’d definitely KO Joshua, Klitschko, Fury etc

That's a bit harsh mate. Chuck Gardner was a real handful, even at the tail end of his career when he fought Frank. I'm still convinced to this day that Chuck took a bung to go down like that. It's just not the Chuck I know

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 13:55 Personally I don’t know how anyone could sit and watch Bruno v Witherspoon, and still hold the opinion that Bruno couldn’t box or fight at one time.

People can go on about Joshua not deploying the right tactics etc at the weekend, but really he just got his arse handed to him by the kind of opponent he doesn’t usually have to compete against.

Bruno takes Joshua to the cleaners in my view.

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 13:55 Personally I don’t know how anyone could sit and watch Bruno v Witherspoon, and still hold the opinion that Bruno couldn’t box or fight at one time.

People can go on about Joshua not deploying the right tactics etc at the weekend, but really he just got his arse handed to him by the kind of opponent he doesn’t usually have to compete against.

Bruno takes Joshua to the cleaners in my view.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 16:18

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 13:55 Personally I don’t know how anyone could sit and watch Bruno v Witherspoon, and still hold the opinion that Bruno couldn’t box or fight at one time.

People can go on about Joshua not deploying the right tactics etc at the weekend, but really he just got his arse handed to him by the kind of opponent he doesn’t usually have to compete against.

Bruno takes Joshua to the cleaners in my view.

He was losing clearly on points against a fat, out of shape (if very good) fighter. Bruno is awful. A hype job. Watch his fights on YouTube. He’s a bit, dirty bully who bashes up past it and smaller fighters. I have no idea how anyone who knows boxing can rate Bruno. He’s known for his losses, not his wins. That says it all.

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:07

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 16:18

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 13:55 Personally I don’t know how anyone could sit and watch Bruno v Witherspoon, and still hold the opinion that Bruno couldn’t box or fight at one time.

People can go on about Joshua not deploying the right tactics etc at the weekend, but really he just got his arse handed to him by the kind of opponent he doesn’t usually have to compete against.

Bruno takes Joshua to the cleaners in my view.

He was losing clearly on points against a fat, out of shape (if very good) fighter. Bruno is awful. A hype job. Watch his fights on YouTube. He’s a bit, dirty bully who bashes up past it and smaller fighters. I have no idea how anyone who knows boxing can rate Bruno. He’s known for his losses, not his wins. That says it all.

I never said I rated Bruno as one of the best to ever do it, he clearly wasn’t.

Of course he’s known for his losses, but he also had qualities that are too often dismissed. Some folk on here would probably argue that the Romford Bull would have got the better of him.

jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:42 Imagine the Romford bull at the old Wembley stadium beating Oliver McCall. Atomic bull v Romford bull. The dressing room afterwards the Romford bull going in and saying 'shall we share a king po prawn?' and McCall going 'sure if you wanna also share a few lines of coke!'

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:47

Kilburn wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 17:07

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑25 Sep 2024, 16:18

He was losing clearly on points against a fat, out of shape (if very good) fighter. Bruno is awful. A hype job. Watch his fights on YouTube. He’s a bit, dirty bully who bashes up past it and smaller fighters. I have no idea how anyone who knows boxing can rate Bruno. He’s known for his losses, not his wins. That says it all.

I never said I rated Bruno as one of the best to ever do it, he clearly wasn’t.

Of course he’s known for his losses, but he also had qualities that are too often dismissed. Some folk on here would probably argue that the Romford Bull would have got the better of him.

No one ever said you claimed Bruno was one of the best But you do say he’d say he’d take Joshua to the cleaners…. It’s not impossible Bruno could bang Joshua on the chin but to suggest he’s way worse than Bruno and Frank would destroy him doesn’t hold water. Joshua’s best wins are superior to Bruno’s and AJ fought many of them in their prime.

Joshua is a level above Bruno. I’d give Bruno a chance definitely but would make AJ the favourite.

As for the Romford Bull, it’s a bit early to say…..but he has some potential