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keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 10:07

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 09:56

banjo wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 09:31 No other sport would allow this shit, if some youtube prick turned up to MotoGP, they'd be told piss off you're a retard and you'll die.

Yep, the past few years have turned boxing into a complete joke. Especially since saps, even saps on here, are actually buying into it and believing these fights are legit.

All started with Floyd Mayweather carrying Conor McGregor.

It's been happening since the Jack Johnson days and before, but back then and all the way through to recently they were classed as exhibitions. I have no problem with Ali-Inoki, Jack Johnson-Frank Gotch, Dempsey-George Godfrey etc, because they were exhibitions. Mayweather-McGregor and Paul-Joshua being sanctioned is unforgivable.

Can we add ngannous two fights to the list. Ngannou vs fury was every bit as bad mcgregor vs Mayweather. At least mcgregor had size.

Now seen the fight. Didn’t carry Paul as such, was a combination of him knowing Paul would gas and him also being a bit shite.,He seemed fearful of taking shot!

stujones wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:09

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 10:07

tigermoth87 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 09:56

Yep, the past few years have turned boxing into a complete joke. Especially since saps, even saps on here, are actually buying into it and believing these fights are legit.

All started with Floyd Mayweather carrying Conor McGregor.

It's been happening since the Jack Johnson days and before, but back then and all the way through to recently they were classed as exhibitions. I have no problem with Ali-Inoki, Jack Johnson-Frank Gotch, Dempsey-George Godfrey etc, because they were exhibitions. Mayweather-McGregor and Paul-Joshua being sanctioned is unforgivable.

Can we add ngannous two fights to the list. Ngannou vs fury was every bit as bad mcgregor vs Mayweather. At least mcgregor had size.

Ngannou did better against Fury than anyone ever did in any of these weird novelty bouts. Ngannou vs Fury was a straight up competitive bout. The only one of the bouts of this type that I can think of being so.

Not really, he wasn't focused, knew Paul could do nothing to him so just bided his time in that massive ring, let Paul wear himself out and then just laid on him. Predictable but for Paul - the boxing equivalent of some rich twat paying millions to go up in a spaceship to the cosmos - he went six rounds with a former undisputed world heavyweight champion and it is now recorded in history as such - Ernst Hemmingway would be turning in his grave in envy.

JackSprocket wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 11:22 I don't think AJ carried Paul. Why would a multi millionaire make himself look like an idiot for a few more millions? He did look like a fool, but that's just because how the fight went. Boxing is a funny sport sometimes and sometimes an olympic gold medalist can't knock out a youtuber in 30 seconds in boxing.

In all fairness to AJ, Paul practically turned his back to run away the first few rounds. Obviously that was his plan to stay away early and hope to catch him with a bit overhand right but then he started falling like a bitch. The ref did a horrible job especially when he gave him all the time to recover from one of his many falls acting like it was a low blow when no punch landed low at all.

2201111 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:34 Not really, he wasn't focused, knew Paul could do nothing to him so just bided his time in that massive ring, let Paul wear himself out and then just laid on him. Predictable but for Paul - the boxing equivalent of some rich twat paying millions to go up in a spaceship to the cosmos - he went six rounds with a former undisputed world heavyweight champion and it is now recorded in history as such - Ernst Hemmingway would be turning in his grave in envy.

That's just speculation. Just because it was competitive, doesn't mean he wasn't focused. Fury himself said he'd had a great camp. He told AJ that the mistake he made was trying to knock Ngannou out.

I don't do Twitter X but somebody sent me a picture of Paul's xray and his jaw was broke in 2 places. I also saw a pic of Paul in the ring after the fight and he opened his mouth to show somebody and it looked bad. Has anybody seen any pics of his mouth wired shut? He FA and FO.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:45

2201111 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:34 Not really, he wasn't focused, knew Paul could do nothing to him so just bided his time in that massive ring, let Paul wear himself out and then just laid on him. Predictable but for Paul - the boxing equivalent of some rich twat paying millions to go up in a spaceship to the cosmos - he went six rounds with a former undisputed world heavyweight champion and it is now recorded in history as such - Ernst Hemmingway would be turning in his grave in envy.

That's just speculation. Just because it was competitive, doesn't mean he wasn't focused. Fury himself said he'd had a great camp. He told AJ that the mistake he made was trying to knock Ngannou out.

If Fury ever tried to knock Ngannou out I must've missed it

The rounds he won are the rounds when he boxed and avoided contact with Ngannou to the best of his ability.

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:45

2201111 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:34 Not really, he wasn't focused, knew Paul could do nothing to him so just bided his time in that massive ring, let Paul wear himself out and then just laid on him. Predictable but for Paul - the boxing equivalent of some rich twat paying millions to go up in a spaceship to the cosmos - he went six rounds with a former undisputed world heavyweight champion and it is now recorded in history as such - Ernst Hemmingway would be turning in his grave in envy.

That's just speculation. Just because it was competitive, doesn't mean he wasn't focused. Fury himself said he'd had a great camp. He told AJ that the mistake he made was trying to knock Ngannou out.

Well, I don't know for certain but he didn't look like he was too bothered about what was about to come at him. Maybe he was though. the only surprise of the night for me is that it lasted as long as it did but when I woke up to the result I knew it was down to Paul running away and grabbing on and that seemed to be the case.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:47

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:45

2201111 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:34 Not really, he wasn't focused, knew Paul could do nothing to him so just bided his time in that massive ring, let Paul wear himself out and then just laid on him. Predictable but for Paul - the boxing equivalent of some rich twat paying millions to go up in a spaceship to the cosmos - he went six rounds with a former undisputed world heavyweight champion and it is now recorded in history as such - Ernst Hemmingway would be turning in his grave in envy.

That's just speculation. Just because it was competitive, doesn't mean he wasn't focused. Fury himself said he'd had a great camp. He told AJ that the mistake he made was trying to knock Ngannou out.

If Fury ever tried to knock Ngannou out I must've missed it

The rounds he won are the rounds when he boxed and avoided contact with Ngannou to the best of his ability.

To be truthful, I've never watched the whole fight. I was so disgusted with the matchup that I refused to watch it, although I did catch parts of it on the radio while waiting for my drunken son to stumble out of his mate's place.

Fury couldn't have knocked out a wank that night. State of him.

joshj909 wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 08:22 Joshua fought his fight. Paul ran away and shot for takedowns. Joshua did not change his approach to what he would've done any other opponent who was taking any other approach. He respected Paul like he was a legitimate heavyweight, he wasn't reckless and he just did what he does against others. It was Paul that made it look a farce. Joshua looked like he was treating it was a warm up or practice.

I can see that point

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:52

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:47

keithmoonhangover wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 12:45

That's just speculation. Just because it was competitive, doesn't mean he wasn't focused. Fury himself said he'd had a great camp. He told AJ that the mistake he made was trying to knock Ngannou out.

If Fury ever tried to knock Ngannou out I must've missed it

The rounds he won are the rounds when he boxed and avoided contact with Ngannou to the best of his ability.

To be truthful, I've never watched the whole fight. I was so disgusted with the matchup that I refused to watch it, although I did catch parts of it on the radio while waiting for my drunken son to stumble out of his mate's place.

It's really not a bad fight. Kinda slow paced, but certainly competitive. I only had Fury winning it by 1 point, so he had plenty of difficulties in the fight.

Ngannou was certainly the puncher in that match. Fury to be a 280 or 290 pound guy punches more like a 190 pound guy, thankfully for his sake, he can box pretty well to make up for his relative lack of pop.

Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Yeah because Dubois was really back pedalling JP style wasn't he

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Yeah. 9 of his first 10 bouts ended inside 2 rounds, and the other ended in the 3rd. It wasn't until his 15th bout that he went beyond 3 rounds.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

I thought he tried to break-down Povetkin with the fast shot to the body. The other way to look at it is, Povetkin put a beating on him in the early rounds.

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Really from the moment that AJ decided to try to fight like a Boxer instead of like a Puncher he's been less successful ever since.

He probably needed that Boxer style to win the Ruiz rematch, but I think it's been a hinderance to him in every other bout besides that one.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:08

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Really from the moment that AJ decided to try to fight like a Boxer instead of like a Puncher he's been less successful ever since.

He probably needed that Boxer style to win the Ruiz rematch, but I think it's been a hinderance to him in every other bout besides that one.

I agree on that to an extent, but I also believe Joshua lacks confidence in his cardio. Perhaps with good reason.

Even last night he had sweat pouring out of him by the end of the first round, while under very little apparent pressure.

Kilburn wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:11

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:08

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:02 Not really sure where this idea that Joshua is some methodical, break-down the opponent, cautious kind of fighter? He came out against DDD with basically no defence whatsoever It was only really in a few fights immediately post-Ruiz 1 that he was boxing like that.

Really from the moment that AJ decided to try to fight like a Boxer instead of like a Puncher he's been less successful ever since.

He probably needed that Boxer style to win the Ruiz rematch, but I think it's been a hinderance to him in every other bout besides that one.

I agree on that to an extent, but I also believe Joshua lacks confidence in his cardio. Perhaps with good reason.

Even last night he had sweat pouring out of him by the end of the first round, while under very little apparent pressure.

He definitely has the build of a guy that would burn through stamina faster than others. That's always the drawback of being such a large man. Yes, you're more powerful, but it also costs your body a lot more energy to move that big body around.

Boxing can be counter intuitive like that sometimes. Like Tyson Fury with his often flabby physique with less muscular definition than AJ, he surely doesn't have the power of AJ, but he undoubtedly has better stamina, and he's quicker.

Really, a bodybuilder-like physique is not ideal for Boxing.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 11:58

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 11:54 Recent decades the best HWs were once CWs, Holyfield and Usyk. Of course it was a huge mismatch but how often do we see prospects flattening fighters that have almost zero chance of winning.

Throughout the 20th century. MOST Heavyweight Champions would be Cruiserweights. Particularly large Heavyweights at the Top of the division is a fairly recent trend.

Even Foreman who was a Big Man in the 1970's era, was only like 225 pounds in his prime.

Yeah I know, I was just making the point that in the era of giant HWs the ones that up being the best were former CWs

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 13:18

gilgamesh wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 11:58

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 11:54 Recent decades the best HWs were once CWs, Holyfield and Usyk. Of course it was a huge mismatch but how often do we see prospects flattening fighters that have almost zero chance of winning.

Throughout the 20th century. MOST Heavyweight Champions would be Cruiserweights. Particularly large Heavyweights at the Top of the division is a fairly recent trend.

Even Foreman who was a Big Man in the 1970's era, was only like 225 pounds in his prime.

Yeah I know, I was just making the point that in the era of giant HWs the ones that up being the best were former CWs

Holyfield wasn't the best of his era though. He was ONE of the best, but he wasn't THE best. Usyk however is the best of his era to this, and even if he suffers a loss or so, I don't think that opinion would change.

I don't think AJ carried him. Seemed a case of him not wanting to take any risks at all (from injuries, really), knowing that he'd flatten him at some point.

banjo wrote: ↑20 Dec 2025, 09:31 No other sport would allow this shit, if some youtube prick turned up to MotoGP, they'd be told piss off you're a retard and you'll die.

Similar things are happening in other sports as well, especially in racing where rich kids have bought seats at the highest level. This year some rich dude in his 50's played, and embarrassed himself, in a professional tennis tournament. In golf this happens also, where Youtube golfers now get invites.

Tough bastard though, Paul. That's a nasty broken jaw with his teeth displaced. Must have been insanely painful, and he still got up.