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Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 06:09
by Ruthless-RKO
stujones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 05:46
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 04:11
The big names in this sport were once nobodies trying to fight their way to the top. It takes years to get to the top. More years to get there than you get to stay there for most.
Yes, usually - but in the case of the current crop of Heavyweights.
Deontay Wilder - Turned pro 2008 - at the top 2015 (could argue he was right up there in 2013) - so that is 7 years - has been making millions for 11 years.
Tyson Fury - Exactly the same - and again you could argue was going to make a fortune in 2013 vs Haye.
Derrick Chisora - Turned pro in 2007, was actually scheduled to fight for the world title in 2010 I believe (vs Wlad), arguable had his best win of his career in 2010 and fought for his first world title in 2012.
Anthony Joshua - was never a nobody - but turned pro in 2013, world title in 2016 and has been at the top for 10 years.
Unfortunately, guys like Kaybel are still looking for that big pay day and it must be close to 10 years since he beat Chisora.
This sport can be cruel at times.
You forgot Dilian Whyte.. another, who had some good backing and decisions. Matchroom/Sky was a force and even pushed him to PPV status, without him even holding a world title.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 06:57
by jamesmcdonnell
Frostieballs wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 05:18
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 04:26
coneye wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 03:49
Seen two old guys in a pub have a fight once , they were actually best mates , both around 80 plus , both could hardly walk , both struggled to get on there bar stool , , They had an argument don't know what over , could of been one knobbing the barmaid behind the others back , but anyway they squared up , and had a go , that was highly entertaining and like comedy hr has well , until like a prick i spoiled everyones fun , stopped it , made them shake hands , and say they were sorry , end of the night they ended up there usual selves , head on each others shoulders, singing some songs in a language only they understood ,, Only difference is , they were in the front bar , Wilder and Chisors were on PPV with mugs paying hard earned dollars for it , whilst good honest up and coming talent can't even get a pay day unless they sell there own tickets.
Still if you are inklined to feather the nest of multi millionaire guys , with generational wealth in the bank already , be my guest ,, Next one will be Wilder --- AJ THEY WILL NEED YOUR MONEY HAS WELL
No way i was handing over coin for this tripe.
I’m with you both. It’s rare I don’t shell out for a PPV but this was DAZN taking the absolute piss.
Yeah a 42 year old journeyman/fringe contender, against a 40 year old former world champ coming off several heavy stoppage defeats.
I watched clips, they both looked utter gash, Wilder's power has pretty much gone, but I am sure he could probably have stopped Chisora if he wanted to.
Chisora fought the vast majority of the fight, looking like he was wearing a victorian diving suit.
People lauding this as some amazing competition are full of shite.
I am sure it had entertainment value for some, but let's not build it into anything more than it was, two past it old campaigners swinging for the rafters.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 07:30
by jamesmcdonnell
stujones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 05:46
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 04:11
The big names in this sport were once nobodies trying to fight their way to the top. It takes years to get to the top. More years to get there than you get to stay there for most.
Yes, usually - but in the case of the current crop of Heavyweights.
Deontay Wilder - Turned pro 2008 - at the top 2015 (could argue he was right up there in 2013) - so that is 7 years - has been making millions for 11 years.
Tyson Fury - Exactly the same - and again you could argue was going to make a fortune in 2013 vs Haye.
Derrick Chisora - Turned pro in 2007, was actually scheduled to fight for the world title in 2010 I believe (vs Wlad), arguable had his best win of his career in 2010 and fought for his first world title in 2012.
Anthony Joshua - was never a nobody - but turned pro in 2013, world title in 2016 and has been at the top for 10 years.
Unfortunately, guys like Kaybel are still looking for that big pay day and it must be close to 10 years since he beat Chisora.
This sport can be cruel at times.
There are far too many old stagers in the mix who have been feeding at the trough.
How many big opportunities has Chisora had - sure, he comes to fight, but fck me, has there every been a fighter who got more paydays for their talent level?
Peak Chisora was a contender level fighter, and durable as hell, but he was never in anybody's mind even approaching genuine world class. He's made a killing.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 07:39
by stujones
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 07:30
stujones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 05:46
gilgamesh wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 04:11
The big names in this sport were once nobodies trying to fight their way to the top. It takes years to get to the top. More years to get there than you get to stay there for most.
Yes, usually - but in the case of the current crop of Heavyweights.
Deontay Wilder - Turned pro 2008 - at the top 2015 (could argue he was right up there in 2013) - so that is 7 years - has been making millions for 11 years.
Tyson Fury - Exactly the same - and again you could argue was going to make a fortune in 2013 vs Haye.
Derrick Chisora - Turned pro in 2007, was actually scheduled to fight for the world title in 2010 I believe (vs Wlad), arguable had his best win of his career in 2010 and fought for his first world title in 2012.
Anthony Joshua - was never a nobody - but turned pro in 2013, world title in 2016 and has been at the top for 10 years.
Unfortunately, guys like Kaybel are still looking for that big pay day and it must be close to 10 years since he beat Chisora.
This sport can be cruel at times.
There are far too many old stagers in the mix who have been feeding at the trough.
How many big opportunities has Chisora had - sure, he comes to fight, but fck me, has there every been a fighter who got more paydays for their talent level?
Peak Chisora was a contender level fighter, and durable as hell, but he was never in anybody's mind even approaching genuine world class. He's made a killing.
Yeah agree - he was possibly close to world class - given how he gave a decent account of himself vs an aging Vitali. But really Haye exposed him, Fury out classed him and by the second Parker fight - that should have been his last big payday. Yes definitely a tad unlucky on some occasions (e.g. one can argue both Whyte fights - yes fight 2 was conclusive ending, but Chisora was in a handy lead and he won the first fight for me). Also though had some close decisions go his way - Joyce (who lets also say - PLEASE retire!), Pulev 2 both could have gone either way.
But there have been some drab / outclassed displays also which it is amazing how he has had the chance to reinvent himself - any of the fury fights, Kaybel, Pulev 1, Parker 2, Haye - all should have been level ending fights.
How some people have turned his fight with Usyk into some kind of robbery is beyond me. I gave him one round!
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 08:00
by jamesmcdonnell
stujones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 07:39
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 07:30
stujones wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 05:46
Yes, usually - but in the case of the current crop of Heavyweights.
Deontay Wilder - Turned pro 2008 - at the top 2015 (could argue he was right up there in 2013) - so that is 7 years - has been making millions for 11 years.
Tyson Fury - Exactly the same - and again you could argue was going to make a fortune in 2013 vs Haye.
Derrick Chisora - Turned pro in 2007, was actually scheduled to fight for the world title in 2010 I believe (vs Wlad), arguable had his best win of his career in 2010 and fought for his first world title in 2012.
Anthony Joshua - was never a nobody - but turned pro in 2013, world title in 2016 and has been at the top for 10 years.
Unfortunately, guys like Kaybel are still looking for that big pay day and it must be close to 10 years since he beat Chisora.
This sport can be cruel at times.
There are far too many old stagers in the mix who have been feeding at the trough.
How many big opportunities has Chisora had - sure, he comes to fight, but fck me, has there every been a fighter who got more paydays for their talent level?
Peak Chisora was a contender level fighter, and durable as hell, but he was never in anybody's mind even approaching genuine world class. He's made a killing.
Yeah agree -
he was possibly close to world class - given how he gave a decent account of himself vs an aging Vitali. But really Haye exposed him, Fury out classed him and by the second Parker fight - that should have been his last big payday. Yes definitely a tad unlucky on some occasions (e.g. one can argue both Whyte fights - yes fight 2 was conclusive ending, but Chisora was in a handy lead and he won the first fight for me). Also though had some close decisions go his way - Joyce (who lets also say - PLEASE retire!), Pulev 2 both could have gone either way.
But there have been some drab / outclassed displays also which it is amazing how he has had the chance to reinvent himself - any of the fury fights, Kaybel, Pulev 1, Parker 2, Haye - all should have been level ending fights.
How some people have turned his fight with Usyk into some kind of robbery is beyond me. I gave him one round!
This was actually exactly what was going through my mind, in some way's del's best performance, depsite it being a losing one.
I know both Klitschkos get a lot of stick, but Vitali was a mean hombre, admittedly, past his prime, and carrying quite a few injuries by the time Delboy got a shot, but credit where it';s due,
I really do hope Del has the sense fo call it a day, he's taken a lot of shots over the years, and I've already noticed that his speech is sounding a little bit slurred in a few interviews.
I strongly suspect like most fighters who go on a long time, there's probably already some neurological damage - I remember reading about Hearns, whose speech was really slurred and apparently in his case, it was nerve damage to the face, that made it hard for him to speak.
I did see a recent thing about Hearns though, which suggested he was involved in some sort of conservatorship battle between family members fighting over power of attorney, which suggests his health isn't too great.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 13:30
by gilgamesh
No doubt about that. It's probably the cruelest of all sports by its very nature.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 14:54
by KiwiRider
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 06:57
Chisora fought the vast majority of the fight, looking like he was wearing a victorian diving suit.
Oh James!
Loving your work
And yes, that was the worst shape I've seen Chisora in.
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 07 Apr 2026, 16:19
by jamesmcdonnell
KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 14:54
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 06:57
Chisora fought the vast majority of the fight, looking like he was wearing a victorian diving suit.
Oh James!
Loving your work
And yes, that was the worst shape I've seen Chisora in.
Don't call it a comeback.
The simile king rides again!
Re: That was GREAT... Chisora & Wilder
Posted: 08 Apr 2026, 06:29
by JamesPhilips
KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 14:54
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Apr 2026, 06:57
Chisora fought the vast majority of the fight, looking like he was wearing a victorian diving suit.
Oh James!
Loving your work
And yes, that was the worst shape I've seen Chisora in.
That’s pretty funny TBF