BoxRec

Compared to their other 2 fights, Ali-Frazier 11 was a stinker.

BUT

It is FAR FAR FAR from one of the worst HW title fights in history (even if it was a title fight) Witherspoon-Page, any Ruiz fight . . .those are in a different league of stink.

Jaclem wrote:....and, as was keeping with his attitude in those days, ali accused the referee of racism. was the ref cortez? don't recall.

The referee was Tony Perez. I thought Ali accused Perez of having money on Joe? I can't recall any racist acusations.

Apparently Ali appologised to Perez a few years later.

...yeah...ali did, at least once, accuse perez of racism. when it was pointed out that frazier was also an african american, ali did his usual "white man's
n*****" slur.

if he thought cortez was against him for any reason, it's puzzling how he could explain his getting away with all that holding frazier by the back of the neck.

Jaclem wrote:...yeah...ali did, at least once, accuse perez of racism. when it was pointed out that frazier was also an african american, ali did his usual "white man's
n*****" slur.

if he thought cortez was against him for any reason, it's puzzling how he could explain his getting away with all that holding frazier by the back of the neck.

...not that it means anthing, but I've always wondered if Perez let him get away with more because he cost him a chance at an early KO...everybody knew Frazier was vulernable early...and in every Ali-Frazier fight, Ali tried to get to Joe early...in this fight, he actually had a chance..until Perez did his inexplicable 'break 'em up' thing in the 2nd round...just a fleeting thought...

...sweeto.....i've often thought that same thing....but if that was perez's way of making up for the goof....he sure overdid it, didn't he?

The 1987 match between Tyson and Bonecrusher Smith was one of the most disappointing I've ever seen. I really believed Smith with his seize and strength had a chance at the upset if he would have taken the fight to Tyson from the opening bell. Instead he played octopus until about the last 15 seconds of the fight when he nailed Iron Mike with a right hand to the jaw that buckled his legs momentarily, making those who endured this 12 round sleeper wonder what the outcome might have been like if Smith had given it his all from the opening round.

Seamus wrote:The 1987 match between Tyson and Bonecrusher Smith was one of the most disappointing I've ever seen. I really believed Smith with his seize and strength had a chance at the upset if he would have taken the fight to Tyson from the opening bell. Instead he played octopus until about the last 15 seconds of the fight when he nailed Iron Mike with a right hand to the jaw that buckled his legs momentarily, making those who endured this 12 round sleeper wonder what the outcome might have been like if Smith had given it his all from the opening round.

Tyson vs. Bonecrusher was mentioned earlier in the thread, but this is still a good call. I remember looking especially forward to this fight because of the potential I thought Smith had to land something big early on and perhaps test Tyson's resolve (which we know a lot more about now). Not a chance. The referee got more of a workout than either of the fighters.

..this is on its way to becoming the most boring discussion of all time.

hang it up.

i have spoken.

...and the winds shall cease...the oceans shall part...sticks will turn into snakes...and it will rain for 40 days and 40 nights...

...once again, the sweet one comes through with revealed knowledge.

Jaclem wrote:..this is on its way to becoming the most boring discussion of all time.

hang it up.

i have spoken.

so why even read this, less reply with something. and get yer nose outta "SS"'s butt while yer at it.

..wlvrne....i am constanly amazed as the width and breadth of the internet....available to people even in the wilds of the northwest..or wherever it is that your state is located.

thank you for doing your part to stay connected.

The state legislature out there tried to ban inmates from using the internet...but the Supreme Court disagreed...

Tyson/Seldon was boring, just because it was sooooo predictable. Even if it only lasted a few seconds, the bored feeling lasted for hours before and after......

Surely the WORST heavyweight "title fight" of all time?

MightyWarrior wrote:Tyson/Seldon was boring, just because it was sooooo predictable. Even if it only lasted a few seconds, the bored feeling lasted for hours before and after......

Surely the WORST heavyweight "title fight" of all time?

Bruce Seldon should hang his head in shame, everytime that is shown!

He is a joke!