JOE FRAZIER VS ROCKY MARCIANO....

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[Victor*KC]

I'll Take Smokin' Joe on this one the fight is going to be fought at close quarters I feel Joe has the better defense with his bob and weave style Also has better handspeed and is more accurate with his punches He was also the better body puncher well in the end Frazier Mid-To late KO

[bill.lockhart]

If the Frazier of March 8/71 showed up, as much as I admire Rocky I would take Smokin Joe. That night he was a great, great fighter. I think it would take that Frazier to do the job though. My God what a fight it would be.

[HomicideHenry]

Joe was more aggressive, Rocky was a bit more defensive. Frazier had the left, Rocky had two fisted power. Both came in great condition, but not even Frazier had the conditioning of Marciano. Both men never took a step back, rarely clinched and threw punches in bunches.

All of Frazier's punches was a diversion to set up the left hook. Marciano threw every shot like he was going for the KO. Surely someone was bound to get knocked out in this fight---if Marciano wouldn't get cut, I'd lean toward him to win, just because I think he had maybe a little more extra in the tank and because Joe was so aggressive, it left him open for shots.

Even the Joe Frazier who beat Ali in 1971 took alot of punishment in that fight and Ali wasn't a puncher, it wasn't his forte and you rarely seen him ever hurt someone with a single shot---I'd go with Rocky coming back after taking a good battering himself to catch Frazier in the middle to late rounds.

['Rocket'Rigby]

First of all this would be one hell of a contest. I don't think there really could be a better match-up in heavyweight history.

Both had immense power, heart, dedication and ability.

Joe had great stamina and the skill to worry Marciano especially with the strong left (if he could land it) whilst Marciano had exceptional stamina and indurance and equally if not a bit more for Joe to worry about if Marciano landed the big right.

My general idea is that niether man would hold anything back, they would take every opportunity to exploit an opening and take it for their advantage. There is no doubt in my mind it would be a war, but conditioning, power in both hands and work rate all lead me to think that Marciano could continue the pressure and succeed with a late KO or Unanimous decision on points.

Can you imagine a trilogy of this??? Wow...

[Ambling Alp]

In some ways these guys were similar fighters. They were both short, stocky, aggressive, pressure style fighters. Frazier had the better left hook, while Marciano had the better right hand. However Frazier's right is underrated; he could do damage with it.

Frazier was even more aggressive than Marciano. One thing that could work in Marciano's favor is that often Frazier started slowly. Assuming that Frazier gets through the early rounds he would have a very good chance.
The biggest difference would be defense. Frazier was harder to hit than Marciano. Frazier would be landing more clean, hard punches and that would probably be the difference. Frazier would probably win by Decision or late TKO in a very tough fight.

[JC]

In some ways theese guys were similar fighters. they were both short, stcoky aggressvie pressure style fighters. Frazier had the better left hook, which Marciano had the better right hand. However Frazier's right is underrated, he could do damage with it.

Absolutely right, Frazier is unfairly percieved to have relied only on the left. However he was able to use the right uppercut very effectively against Bugner to name one example.

As for the match-up with Marciano, it's one of the great pick'ems in the HW division. If I was betting I'd probably edge slightly toward putting my money on Frazier. It would be interesting to see how Marciano handled Frazier, he would be a lot harder to bull around the ring than most of the guys Rocky fought. Doing a reterospective comentary years later on the Cockell fight Rocky said Cockell was the physically strongest guy he faced, so it would be interesting to see how he coped with Joe in that department.

[pundit]

In some ways theese guys were similar fighters. they were both short, stcoky aggressvie pressure style fighters. Frazier had the better left hook, which Marciano had the better right hand. However Frazier's right is underrated, he could do damage with it.

Frazier was even more aggressive than Marciano. One thing that could work in Marciano's favor is that often Frazier started slowly. Assuming that Frazier gets through the early rounds he would have a very good chance.
The biggest difference would be defense. Frazier was harder to hit than Marciano. Frazier would be landing more clean, hard punches and that would probably be the difference. Frazier would probably win by Decision or late TKO in a very tough fight.

That's a sound analysis. I also go for Frazier by decision.

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Remembering Bonavena-Frazier I and Foreman-Frazier I, principally, and Marciano-Walcott I and II, Marciano-Charles II, and others, it's easy: Marciano would knocked out Frazier in 1 or 2 rds

[JC]

Remembering Bonavena-Frazier I and Foreman-Frazier I, principally, and Marciano-Walcott I and II, Marciano-Charles II, and others, it's easy: Marciano would knocked out Frazier in 1 or 2 rds

No offense martin but that's some strange logic you've got there. Also while your remembering things, it might be worth remembering Ali-Frazier I too

[Martin Sosa Cameron]

Remembering Bonavena-Frazier I and Foreman-Frazier I, principally, and Marciano-Walcott I and II, Marciano-Charles II, and others, it's easy: Marciano would knocked out Frazier in 1 or 2 rds

No offense martin but that's some strange logic you've got there. Also while your remembering things, it might be worth remembering Ali-Frazier I too

Hi, J-C!

Thanks you, I'm happy with your answer; of course I remember too Frazier-Ali I, a great-great fight, and others of Rocky and Joe, and with a growing admiration for Rocky, I still thinking he would ko'ed easily Joe, in one or two... When I see the record of Marciano and the record of Frazier --both very good--, I thinks only in this result; thanks again!

[sugarramos]

this would be a real bloody violent slug fest rocky wanted men to come at him and slug it out that way he could wear theme down and eventually knock theme out joe will give rock the fight of his life rock I think would wear down Frazier. I take rocky by a late knockout

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Frazier climb's off the canvas twice in round 2 by round 8 Joe is slowly starting to wear Rocky down with his pressure in round 10 Rocky is bleeding and busted when Frazier gets him on the rope's and pounds Marciano until his corner throws in the towel in fight of the year

[Kalan]

Remembering Bonavena-Frazier I and Foreman-Frazier I, principally, and Marciano-Walcott I and II, Marciano-Charles II, and others, it's easy: Marciano would knocked out Frazier in 1 or 2 rds

Bonavena weighed 207... Foreman was 6'3" X 217... Walcott was 39, super hittable, 196, and knocked out many times... Charles was beaten by Light Heavyweight Harold Johnson and super slow Nino Valdes the previous year (1953) -- so Charles was completely washed up.

Frazier would run over Marciano like he did Jerry Quarry and Dave Zyglewitcz.. who were faster and a little bigger than Rocky...who never fought anyone

[elmersalsa]

The performance of Smokin' Joe at FOTC was the best ever. I can't see no heavyweight beating him that night.

After that fight with The Greatest, Frazier was never the same. He never reached that high again. And it showed. He took a lot of punishment in TFOC. That fight was BRUTAL!

The great Rocky Marciano was a great fighter for his time. He ain't beating that FOTC Frazier.

[Kalan]

The performance of Smokin' Joe at FOTC was the best ever. I can't see no heavyweight beating him that night.

After that fight with The Greatest, Frazier was never the same. He never reached that high again. And it showed. He took a lot of punishment in TFOC. That fight was BRUTAL!

The great Rocky Marciano was a great fighter for his time. He ain't beating that FOTC Frazier.

Gee Whiz... That was no greatest ever performance man.. Frazier got hit with everything, but the guy doing the hitting wasn't a big puncher. If that were Foreman hitting Joe he was screwed -- because Frazier weighed only 205 and was a 5'11" shorty with a stubby reach.. That's why Foreman crushed Frazier like a Roach in that other FOTC.. There's a FOTC every year if it takes 2 swingers who get hit as much as Ali and Frazier did.. How many really good boxers get hit with that many loaded punches??? Not too many.

[BoxBuzz]

The performance of Smokin' Joe at FOTC was the best ever. I can't see no heavyweight beating him that night.

After that fight with The Greatest, Frazier was never the same. He never reached that high again. And it showed. He took a lot of punishment in TFOC. That fight was BRUTAL!

The great Rocky Marciano was a great fighter for his time. He ain't beating that FOTC Frazier.

Gee Whiz... That was no greatest ever performance man.. Frazier got hit with everything, but the guy doing the hitting wasn't a big puncher. If that were Foreman hitting Joe he was screwed -- because Frazier weighed only 205 and was a 5'11" shorty with a stubby reach.. That's why Foreman crushed Frazier like a Roach in that other FOTC.. There's a FOTC every year if it takes 2 swingers who get hit as much as Ali and Frazier did.. How many really good boxers get hit with that many loaded punches??? Not too many.

So....that fight wasn't much more than a pub brawl? Think of how many of us those novices have fooled.

Good thing you are here focusing your flashlight of truth on the all things pugilistic.

Boys.....file this fight as a "second rate effort by a couple of easy targets". I guess.

Who knew?

[Kalan]

The performance of Smokin' Joe at FOTC was the best ever. I can't see no heavyweight beating him that night.

After that fight with The Greatest, Frazier was never the same. He never reached that high again. And it showed. He took a lot of punishment in TFOC. That fight was BRUTAL!

The great Rocky Marciano was a great fighter for his time. He ain't beating that FOTC Frazier.

Gee Whiz... That was no greatest ever performance man.. Frazier got hit with everything, but the guy doing the hitting wasn't a big puncher. If that were Foreman hitting Joe he was screwed -- because Frazier weighed only 205 and was a 5'11" shorty with a stubby reach.. That's why Foreman crushed Frazier like a Roach in that other FOTC.. There's a FOTC every year if it takes 2 swingers who get hit as much as Ali and Frazier did.. How many really good boxers get hit with that many loaded punches??? Not too many.

So....that fight wasn't much more than a pub brawl? Think of how many of us those novices have fooled.

Good thing you are here focusing your flashlight of truth on the all things pugilistic.

Boys.....file this fight as a "second rate effort by a couple of easy targets". I guess.

Who knew?

BuzzBox, I can always count on you putting words in my mouth... turning off your brain and misinterpreting my analysis... and generally butchering any critique I make with the air of a cocky 9-year old making fun of Donald Trump.. Frazier and Ali were more experienced and better at their jobs than Trump is at his.. They had a lot of experience and knew what they were doing.. I wasn't looking for perfection from these 2 guys.

A pub brawl isn't worth watching... and far from a 2nd rate effort - this was the most determined effort of Frazier's career.. And it was a good effort by Ali too.. However as you are well aware -- neither boxer was a Lomachenko defensively.. Their chins were out there like a lantern in a storm.

[BoxBuzz]

Good to hear! Now go forth and sin no more.

And remember, every word has a meaning....choose them with discretion.

[elmersalsa]

The performance of Smokin' Joe at FOTC was the best ever. I can't see no heavyweight beating him that night.

After that fight with The Greatest, Frazier was never the same. He never reached that high again. And it showed. He took a lot of punishment in TFOC. That fight was BRUTAL!

The great Rocky Marciano was a great fighter for his time. He ain't beating that FOTC Frazier.

Gee Whiz... That was no greatest ever performance man.. Frazier got hit with everything, but the guy doing the hitting wasn't a big puncher. If that were Foreman hitting Joe he was screwed -- because Frazier weighed only 205 and was a 5'11" shorty with a stubby reach.. That's why Foreman crushed Frazier like a Roach in that other FOTC.. There's a FOTC every year if it takes 2 swingers who get hit as much as Ali and Frazier did.. How many really good boxers get hit with that many loaded punches??? Not too many.

Anthony Joshua vs Lomachenko will be TFOC, Kalan

[Kalan]

It seems Dick Tiger made a big mistake in fighting big Bob Foster... poor shorty got crushed

And it seems skinny Bob Foster made a huge mistake when he fought Joe Frazier... Skinny Bob weighed 188... OUCH!!!

And Little Joe Frazier made a big mistake stepping into a ring with Big 6'3" X 217 George Foreman -- Poor lil' guy got pummeled like a punching ball.

What do you suppose was the most decisive factor in those 3 contests??? ... Couldn't have anything to do with size and strength right???

[elmersalsa]

It seems Dick Tiger made a big mistake in fighting big Bob Foster... poor shorty got crushed

And it seems skinny Bob Foster made a huge mistake when he fought Joe Frazier... Skinny Bob weighed 188... OUCH!!!

And Little Joe Frazier made a big mistake stepping into a ring with Big 6'3" X 217 George Foreman -- Poor lil' guy got pummeled like a punching ball.

What do you suppose was the most decisive factor in those 3 contests??? ... Couldn't have anything to do with size and strength right???

The third example was that Smokin' Joe was THROUGH after FOTC with The Greatest and it showed......BIG TIME!

[Kalan]

He was through -- and his career was short -- because he took too many punches PERIOD!!! ... Foreman took a lot of punches too.. But he learned how to box eventually

[elmersalsa]

He was through -- and his career was short -- because he took too many punches PERIOD!!! ... Foreman took a lot of punches too.. But he learned how to box eventually

Smokin' Joe took too many punches in that brutal fight with Ali. Ali can hit. He got decent power. He might not had Big George or Iron Mike's punching power, but he could put you to sleep.

That was the end of Joe Frazier. He looked quite ordinary against two bums after that magnificent performance. Bums that in circa 1967-71 would not last two rounds each.

[Kalan]

The bums he fought included Terry Daniels, Dave Zyglewitcz, Manuel Ramos, Marion Connor, and other push overs... Then JF fought a real fighter who stood 6'3" X 217 and he took the beating of his life in 2 rounds...which is all JF could take. He looked like a midget trying to take a cigar away from his daddy.