Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:45
Talk tomorrow....going home!
Don't change the subjectboxingchat wrote:Talk tomorrow....going home!
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Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:46
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:47
I've never suggested Warren has ripped off Hatton, because he hasnt. Hatton has earned well.boxingchat wrote:It's only relevant to the costs, so until you know those the income is neither here nor there. This is my point, Only FW knows the figures and paying RH what he has is certainly not ripping him off as has been suggested elsewhere.KO Atrist wrote:Sorry, couldnt resist it.boxingchat wrote: No way Jose!
Look, I agree that, prima facie, Hatton does owe Warren a degree of loyalty, and that he has earned well. I also agree that whilst Warren hasnt taken any punches he has obviously worked his bollocks off to build Hatton up. Warren earned his money too. He is obviously very driven and has done great things.
But if Hatton fells he is a free agent, and has been offered more money whilst gaining full control of his career, that ok isnt it?
AThe dispute appears to be that one feels he has a contract and the other feels he doesnt.
So they are not even at a stage where they can talk numbers.
How much do you reckon the Hatton shows where grossing under SN.
It's the opinions of 'outysiders' with no knowledge that often drives wedges between Boxer, Manager and whoever. Then when the Boxer get's beat whose left to re-build?
But what has Warren earned out of it? Does Hatton feel what Warren earned is disproportionate to what Hatton has earned?
Lets start with what Warren/SN earned from the Hatton-Tszyu show. What, £300K?, £500k?, £1m?, £3m?, £5m?, £7m?, what exactly.
Can we start there?
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:47
Good to hear they work late at Sports Network during a fight week.boxingchat wrote:Talk tomorrow....going home!
Until tomorrow....
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:51
Do you reckon he is from SNnickd wrote:Good to hear they work late at Sports Network during a fight week.boxingchat wrote:Talk tomorrow....going home!
Until tomorrow....
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 13:59
Quite possibly. It has happened before.KO Atrist wrote:Do you reckon he is from SNnickd wrote:Good to hear they work late at Sports Network during a fight week.boxingchat wrote:Talk tomorrow....going home!
Until tomorrow....
Have a read back through his posts, very pro SN. I dont know of a boxing fan that is!
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:00
Hatton has indeed fought in the US beforenickd wrote: And you are talking shit, guys like Judah, Mayweather, Wright, Hopkins are earning more than £1.5m a fight. Hatton is on the same level as those guys after beating a guy who was in everyones top 3 P4P.
Granted Hatton hasn't fought in the US before, but most of the fighters mentioned above have zero fanbase. With HBO money Hatton could easily earn upwards of £2.5m a fight.
early on in his career.£1.5m ~ $2.75m as of just now. Winky made $1.6m from the Mosely fight which was his highest purse of the time. Not sure how much he made for Mosley II or Trinidad (probably more than $2.75m for the Trinidad fight) but thats only 3 fights in his whole career that's made him more than £1.5m
Hatton could earn more over in the US I agree on that.
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:05
You're right my mistake what I was meaning to say was Hatton hasn't headlined over there.Smit wrote:Hatton has indeed fought in the US beforenickd wrote: And you are talking shit, guys like Judah, Mayweather, Wright, Hopkins are earning more than £1.5m a fight. Hatton is on the same level as those guys after beating a guy who was in everyones top 3 P4P.
Granted Hatton hasn't fought in the US before, but most of the fighters mentioned above have zero fanbase. With HBO money Hatton could easily earn upwards of £2.5m a fight.
£1.5m ~ $2.75m as of just now. Winky made $1.6m from the Mosely fight which was his highest purse of the time. Not sure how much he made for Mosley II or Trinidad (probably more than $2.75m for the Trinidad fight) but thats only 3 fights in his whole career that's made him more than £1.5m
Hatton could earn more over in the US I agree on that.
I remember him fighting on a Thunderbox against some South American.
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:09
Hes almost certainly from SN or related in someway to them. He does make valid points (not to say hes correct).nickd wrote:Quite possibly. It has happened before.KO Atrist wrote:Do you reckon he is from SNnickd wrote: Good to hear they work late at Sports Network during a fight week.
Until tomorrow....
Have a read back through his posts, very pro SN. I dont know of a boxing fan that is!
But at the end of the day SN have made allot of money from Hatton so they're already been repaid. I wonder (or I don't) what Warren would do in Rickys shoes. Hes a free agent (well probably) and can do his business how he sees fit. SN are hardly loyal to their fighters
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:55
Why not?KO Atrist wrote:Not for public consumptionboxingchat wrote:Ah fact! Spill the Beans then.
Anyway is Hatton training for this rumoured November fight? Can;tRicky tell usany info on the dispute hmself instead of having his dad tell everything?
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:57
His dad is his manager, doing a managers job.Max Molyneux wrote:Why not?KO Atrist wrote:Not for public consumptionboxingchat wrote:Ah fact! Spill the Beans then.
Anyway is Hatton training for this rumoured November fight? Can;tRicky tell usany info on the dispute hmself instead of having his dad tell everything?
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:58
True he hasn't been in those type of wars. His weight problem shouldn't affect him yet either.Ray Hatton said in an interview he ain't going tobe boxing long because he gives it his all.steve689 wrote:I read Warren's article in the News Of The World yesterday and i am somewhat surprised at this "Ricky only has three fights left in him" business, i don't know who has been saying that or if it is true (i presume it is his dad Ray). He is only 27 years old or whatever and despite his 39 fight record he has hardly been involved in Erik Morales style wars every fight has he? I agree with Warren on that score, he hasn't even hit his peak yet or is just coming into it. Maybe if his next three fights were going to be Tsyzu II, Cotto and Mayweather then it would be more understandable but Carlos Maussa and then whoever next
Strange he has a good few years left at the most.
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 16:59
True but Ricky could still give a statement out on it too since it's his problem mostly.nickd wrote:His dad is his manager, doing a managers job.Max Molyneux wrote:Why not?KO Atrist wrote: Not for public consumption
Anyway is Hatton training for this rumoured November fight? Can;tRicky tell usany info on the dispute hmself instead of having his dad tell everything?
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 17:00
I think that will happen once the dust settles and everyone knows where they stand. The Hatton's have been quite quiet considering what is going on, I expect they don't want to put their foot in it!Max Molyneux wrote:True but Ricky could still give a statement out on it too since it's his problem mostly.nickd wrote:His dad is his manager, doing a managers job.Max Molyneux wrote: Why not?
Anyway is Hatton training for this rumoured November fight? Can;tRicky tell usany info on the dispute hmself instead of having his dad tell everything?
Posted: 06 Sep 2005, 17:03
Warren said the same thing in News Of The World...quoting the bossboxingchat wrote:Incidentally, if Hatton, who has admitted that he has approached King and Arum and others, can earn so much more. Why is he fighting at Sheffield Arena and co-promoting the fight with Dennis Hobson? Perhaps his value of himself, like yours, is slightly over inflated. Just a thought!
Someone is after that employee of the month award 
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 04:23
Course he's from Sports Network, who else would talk up Warren like he's next in line for the Nobel peace prize.
At least they acknowledge what real boxing fans have known for years: Hatton's phony WBU "title fights" were a load of crap, aimed at a gullible public and an even more gullible Sky Sports head office.
We can thank Hatton for at least pushing the reluctant Warren into finaly giving him a real world title shot, otherwise he'd have been quite happy fobbing the Uk public off with endless Stephen Smith type WBU defences for the next 5 years.
At least they acknowledge what real boxing fans have known for years: Hatton's phony WBU "title fights" were a load of crap, aimed at a gullible public and an even more gullible Sky Sports head office.
We can thank Hatton for at least pushing the reluctant Warren into finaly giving him a real world title shot, otherwise he'd have been quite happy fobbing the Uk public off with endless Stephen Smith type WBU defences for the next 5 years.
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:06
i bet fw's bank manager was loving ricky fill 20k seats every fight cos it sure has hell wasn't the undercards put together by allegedly,he milked the cash cow to many times and it's turned round and bite him on the arse.boxingchat wrote:KO Atrist wrote:I'm not keen on Mancs myself.boxingchat wrote:Ah so you admit that you do it for fun? So how do you suggest we find out thewn ask Mr Warren to divulge all his accounts on here. Highly unlikely don't you think? However, if I was a betting ma I bet you would all be surprised and that RH earns more when he fights than SN do. Nearly £7m (so I hear) for the pony fights he's been having, and ordinary people have sympathy for him. Not me, greedy little Bastard! like Ferdinand and the like - Manchester water perhaps!
As SN are a public Co, I should have a set of their last accounts here somewhere.
But they dont show a breakdown of what each show takes.
Why should they, do you broadcast your private business. Hatton must have agreed those purses surely so what SN/FW or whoever get is irrelevent surely. If you have their accounts surely these show what the crack is?
Personnaly, I don't give a flying F##k either way. I'm big into loyalty and the scruffy little Manc has done bloody well. The last time anyone took so much money under false pretences was the Sex Pistols 'Great Rock and Roll Swindle' Hatton should be kissing FW's arse not kicking it.
I bet his bacnk manager is an FW fan. And to think my PPV money has helped swell his coffers to nearly £7M - No more my friend, no more.
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:19
The MEN Arena said on their website that only Hatton V Tszyu and Tyson have ever sold out the arena - again FACT not hearsay. And no, I don't work for Warren either, wish I did, but do believe in a fair case for both parties. On the flip side why are you lot so pro-Hatton? Did he ever turn down £700k to fight these bums for a crap title in order to satisfy his fans wishes. He avoided Witetr like the plague dispite all his fans wanting it, why is that then? Perhaps he's the one who has milked the cash cow for too long. Think about it that way around. I have seen HAtton fight many times but never has the arena been full apart from the last one.pasty_spud wrote:boxingchat wrote:i bet fw's bank manager was loving ricky fill 20k seats every fight cos it sure has hell wasn't the undercards put together by allegedly allegedly,he milked the cash cow to many times and it's turned round and bite him on the arse.KO Atrist wrote: I'm not keen on Mancs myself.
As SN are a public Co, I should have a set of their last accounts here somewhere.
But they dont show a breakdown of what each show takes.
Why should they, do you broadcast your private business. Hatton must have agreed those purses surely so what SN/FW or whoever get is irrelevent surely. If you have their accounts surely these show what the crack is?
Personnaly, I don't give a flying F##k either way. I'm big into loyalty and the scruffy little Manc has done bloody well. The last time anyone took so much money under false pretences was the Sex Pistols 'Great Rock and Roll Swindle' Hatton should be kissing FW's arse not kicking it.
I bet his bacnk manager is an FW fan. And to think my PPV money has helped swell his coffers to nearly £7M - No more my friend, no more.
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:30
Here's the full News Of The World "article"(press release)......Frankie obviously doing his best to keep things civil, and not burn too many bridges.
This bits pretty laughable - really Frank??
Without me, he can't appear at his home venue, the MEN Arena, as I've signed an exclusive two-year deal to promote fights there. Sadly, Ray reckons I've done that to spite Ricky but that's rubbish. I want to hold a series of world title contests there and put on Amir Khan.
Over the last couple of weeks much has been said about my dispute with Ricky Hatton - and almost of all of it has come from his camp.
I have not wanted to get into a slanging match but after comments made by Ray Hatton - Ricky's father and business manager - I can't stay silent any longer.
During a BBC radio interview, Hatton senior came out with a number of allegations that have to be addressed.
Ray, who has done a fantastic job looking after Ricky, claimed his son's agreement with me expired after he beat Kostya Tszyuto win the IBF Light Welterweight title in June. But in November of last year, before Ricky fought Ray Olivera in December, I sent Ray Hatton a recorded delivery letter.
That confirmed talks we'd had and said I would proceed with the Olivera bout only if Ricky extended his deal with me for a further 4 fights. During the course of these discussions, Ray said "We are not going anywhere".
When Ricky signed a bout agreement for Olivera, one of the clauseswas that he agreed with the terms of the November letter. In the radio interview, Ray Hatton claimed he tore up the letter and threw it in the bin when he received it - and did not even tell Ricky of its contents. I'd have thought a far more sensible, business-like thing to have done - had he thought it didn't reflect what we'd agreed - was to have picked up the phone and talked to me. Instead, Ray waited until July - a month after the Tzsyu fight - to tell me he had binned the letter.
Whatever happened to the letter, I am confident I have an agreement. I will fight tooth and nail in the courts to prove it.
With great sadness - and very reluctantly - I had to serve papers on Ricky, Ray and Punch Promotions on Friday to protect my position. Ray obviously doesn't with to remember what he said or that it wasn't me who launched the first legal salvo.
Team Hatton sent me a solicitors letter in February nearly 3 months after the Olivera fight and my letter, to say they were free agents. I immediately refuted it.
As sad as the contract battle makes me, I'm more dissapointed by claims I have exploited Ricky or abused his loyalty. Ray said that, as a result of his fights, Ricky hurt his hands and, more worringly, was urinating blood afterwards.
From the time Ricky turned pro in 1997 until 2004, I was his manager and promoter but this was the first I'd heard about any post-fight health problems. I should have been told and if I'd known I would have certainly toned down Ricky's famous after-fight parties. I would be devastated if any of my fighters suffered an injury. That's why I always look out for their best interests - Ricky did not lose a fight under me and he hardly lost a round in his 39 bouts.
I'll be the first to admit I've made money promoting him but, whether he had won or lost against Tzsyu, the many millions I paid for his services had secured him for life. I also guaranteed in writing that, in the event of a loss against Kostya, he would still get paid six-figure sums. During the radio interview, Ray also claimed that when Ricky fought Carlos Wilfredo Vilches on June 12, 2004, he was drafted in at 5 weeks notice when he was struggling with the weight as a "favour" because ticket sales were going slowly. Thats simply untrue.
Ray and I had already agreed that, subject to Ricky coming through his fight against Dennis Holbaek on April 3 ok, he would box on June 5. It was supposed to be a double header with Joe Calzaghe, and on April 7 we announced a Press Conference for April 13 in London. Joe and Ricky attended, eight weeks before the proposed fight. Ray Hatton was sent tickets for the show by recorded delivery on April 22, 2004, so where he has come up with the ideaRicky came in at five weeks notice, I simply don't know. And, apart from taking part as a favour I paid £705,000 for his services for his WBU defence.
After the Tzsyu fight, I made Ricky a very generous offer that would have made him one of the best paid boxers outside the heavyweight division. But sometimes people become money orientated and I believe that's what's happened. Ray says Ricky was courted by a number of US promoters who offered him more than me - if so, why hasn't he signed with one? Instead, they have been negoitiating with Sky TV.
What happened to Ricky wanting to fight at Madison Square Garden or Las Vegas? Instead, they are proposing his next fight will be at the 12,000-seater Sheffield Arena. Without me, he can't appear at his home venue, the MEN Arena, as I've signed an exclusive two-year deal to promote fights there. Sadly, Ray reckons I've done that to spite Ricky but that's rubbish. I want to hold a series of world title contests there and put on Amir Khan.
Ray says his son has just 3 more fights in him but I don't think he has even reached his peak. He needs careful handling to make sure his career doesn't end up in ruins. nothing would be worse than beating Tzsyu and failing to build on that victory. After Naseem Hamed and I parted, he and his family tried to promote him but found it wasn't easy.
I have never had a bad word with Ricky or Ray. I really didn't want to go down this road. We have had a fantastic eight years together and it is sad that it has come to this.
This bits pretty laughable - really Frank??
Without me, he can't appear at his home venue, the MEN Arena, as I've signed an exclusive two-year deal to promote fights there. Sadly, Ray reckons I've done that to spite Ricky but that's rubbish. I want to hold a series of world title contests there and put on Amir Khan.
Over the last couple of weeks much has been said about my dispute with Ricky Hatton - and almost of all of it has come from his camp.
I have not wanted to get into a slanging match but after comments made by Ray Hatton - Ricky's father and business manager - I can't stay silent any longer.
During a BBC radio interview, Hatton senior came out with a number of allegations that have to be addressed.
Ray, who has done a fantastic job looking after Ricky, claimed his son's agreement with me expired after he beat Kostya Tszyuto win the IBF Light Welterweight title in June. But in November of last year, before Ricky fought Ray Olivera in December, I sent Ray Hatton a recorded delivery letter.
That confirmed talks we'd had and said I would proceed with the Olivera bout only if Ricky extended his deal with me for a further 4 fights. During the course of these discussions, Ray said "We are not going anywhere".
When Ricky signed a bout agreement for Olivera, one of the clauseswas that he agreed with the terms of the November letter. In the radio interview, Ray Hatton claimed he tore up the letter and threw it in the bin when he received it - and did not even tell Ricky of its contents. I'd have thought a far more sensible, business-like thing to have done - had he thought it didn't reflect what we'd agreed - was to have picked up the phone and talked to me. Instead, Ray waited until July - a month after the Tzsyu fight - to tell me he had binned the letter.
Whatever happened to the letter, I am confident I have an agreement. I will fight tooth and nail in the courts to prove it.
With great sadness - and very reluctantly - I had to serve papers on Ricky, Ray and Punch Promotions on Friday to protect my position. Ray obviously doesn't with to remember what he said or that it wasn't me who launched the first legal salvo.
Team Hatton sent me a solicitors letter in February nearly 3 months after the Olivera fight and my letter, to say they were free agents. I immediately refuted it.
As sad as the contract battle makes me, I'm more dissapointed by claims I have exploited Ricky or abused his loyalty. Ray said that, as a result of his fights, Ricky hurt his hands and, more worringly, was urinating blood afterwards.
From the time Ricky turned pro in 1997 until 2004, I was his manager and promoter but this was the first I'd heard about any post-fight health problems. I should have been told and if I'd known I would have certainly toned down Ricky's famous after-fight parties. I would be devastated if any of my fighters suffered an injury. That's why I always look out for their best interests - Ricky did not lose a fight under me and he hardly lost a round in his 39 bouts.
I'll be the first to admit I've made money promoting him but, whether he had won or lost against Tzsyu, the many millions I paid for his services had secured him for life. I also guaranteed in writing that, in the event of a loss against Kostya, he would still get paid six-figure sums. During the radio interview, Ray also claimed that when Ricky fought Carlos Wilfredo Vilches on June 12, 2004, he was drafted in at 5 weeks notice when he was struggling with the weight as a "favour" because ticket sales were going slowly. Thats simply untrue.
Ray and I had already agreed that, subject to Ricky coming through his fight against Dennis Holbaek on April 3 ok, he would box on June 5. It was supposed to be a double header with Joe Calzaghe, and on April 7 we announced a Press Conference for April 13 in London. Joe and Ricky attended, eight weeks before the proposed fight. Ray Hatton was sent tickets for the show by recorded delivery on April 22, 2004, so where he has come up with the ideaRicky came in at five weeks notice, I simply don't know. And, apart from taking part as a favour I paid £705,000 for his services for his WBU defence.
After the Tzsyu fight, I made Ricky a very generous offer that would have made him one of the best paid boxers outside the heavyweight division. But sometimes people become money orientated and I believe that's what's happened. Ray says Ricky was courted by a number of US promoters who offered him more than me - if so, why hasn't he signed with one? Instead, they have been negoitiating with Sky TV.
What happened to Ricky wanting to fight at Madison Square Garden or Las Vegas? Instead, they are proposing his next fight will be at the 12,000-seater Sheffield Arena. Without me, he can't appear at his home venue, the MEN Arena, as I've signed an exclusive two-year deal to promote fights there. Sadly, Ray reckons I've done that to spite Ricky but that's rubbish. I want to hold a series of world title contests there and put on Amir Khan.
Ray says his son has just 3 more fights in him but I don't think he has even reached his peak. He needs careful handling to make sure his career doesn't end up in ruins. nothing would be worse than beating Tzsyu and failing to build on that victory. After Naseem Hamed and I parted, he and his family tried to promote him but found it wasn't easy.
I have never had a bad word with Ricky or Ray. I really didn't want to go down this road. We have had a fantastic eight years together and it is sad that it has come to this.
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:33
Of course he signed that MEN deal to put a spanner in the Hatton's plans, he must think people are stupid the things he says sometimes. 
Khan will not be ready to top bills for a long time and who else are they going to put on there?
Khan will not be ready to top bills for a long time and who else are they going to put on there?
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:36
boxingchat wrote:I didn't quote a figure either higher or lower. I was just interested to know how these numbers are obtained that's all.Coconut wrote:Why not break down your justification for going for a lower number?
No, but you did say:
There's a clear implication that you think the 2.5m figure is higher than it should be. Why do you think this is the case?we keep hearing these inflated figures and so I am interested
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 05:57
I cant understand this
'He only has 3 fights in him' either? Is his heart no longer in the game?!
Everything Frank said is true, but I am sure he is hiding some facts! I think sadly this is the beggining of the end for the Hitman! Shame :(
3 fights! Does that mean 2 more after Maussa? Both in Sheffield!? Not exactly giving his fans hope for the future?!
'He only has 3 fights in him' either? Is his heart no longer in the game?!
Everything Frank said is true, but I am sure he is hiding some facts! I think sadly this is the beggining of the end for the Hitman! Shame :(
3 fights! Does that mean 2 more after Maussa? Both in Sheffield!? Not exactly giving his fans hope for the future?!
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 06:28
I don't think it's the fights that he has had that suggest he has only 3 fights in him. It's the blowing up in between fights and the copious amounts of alcohol he puts down his neck. Very, very, unprofessional and possibly dangerous. Only last week a freind of mine saw him crawling out of a bar completely arseholed at 3am in Tenerife....Another George Best perhaps.numpty wrote:I cant understand this
'He only has 3 fights in him' either? Is his heart no longer in the game?!
Everything Frank said is true, but I am sure he is hiding some facts! I think sadly this is the beggining of the end for the Hitman! Shame :(
3 fights! Does that mean 2 more after Maussa? Both in Sheffield!? Not exactly giving his fans hope for the future?!
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 06:34
Last time I saw him on TV he looked well blown up! I wonder what he will look like when he is on Sky Friday, he must be carefull as to what he says on there. I bet they do not mention anything about the FW saga! 
Posted: 07 Sep 2005, 06:39
At last, someone who talks sense.numpty wrote:Last time I saw him on TV he looked well blown up! I wonder what he will look like when he is on Sky Friday, he must be carefull as to what he says on there. I bet they do not mention anything about the FW saga!