Prime Mike Tyson VS Prime Rocky Marciano

[wlvrne]

......school boys......

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

the one wrote

Common sense. holyfield would have destroyed anyone Marciano had beaten worse than the rock did.

hahahahaha holyfield would have destroyed jersey joe walcot and ezzard charles and archie moore???????


- walcott would have made holyfield look silly, and outboxed hoylfield, if micheal moorer can outbox holyfield, so can these guys. only guy i see holyfield beating is archie moore.


- its amazing the lack of recognition marciano gets. i mean at least u could say i think tyson would beat rocky, but instead u decide to try to belittle marciano.



- fact is holyfield showed everyone how to beat mike tyson. now imagine if holyfield had marcianos power, stamina, and aggresion, he would have knocked tyson out much much sooner.

- these guys think marciano will end up like marvis frazier. its funny how pinklon thomas can slug it out with him for 6 rounds, bonecrusher can last 12 rounds, and frank bruno can last 5 rounds but they say marciano wont last more than 1.


now i know im bias, but im realistic. i do think their are heavyweight champions that would beat rocky. but on further review, not mike tyson.
- marciano will be putting way to much pressure on tyson. tyson will get beat up in clinches, and the inside and once someone starts bullying tyson back like hoylfeild hell quit. not to mention rockys punches will be so much harder than holyfields.

[wlvrne]

tyson threw so fast and hard maricano would a have to roll his ass out the ring to keep from getting pummelled.

In this thread, you give Marciano no chance against Tyson. Why? In the Tyson/Foreman thread you have Tyson losing big-time. Can you explain the discrepency in your opinions of these 2 fights. Bearing in mind that Marciano is arguably the greatest heavy weight ever. Now, don't get emotional - just give us a fight plan.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

both guys have enough power to seriously hurt or KO the other guy. Both guys would hurt the other guy. That's a given.

Now, Marciano tended to become a better fighter when he was hurt.

Mike Tyson tended to become a lesser fighter when hurt

Tyson has a limited heart and when he starts the lose and the pressure gets to him, he'll start giving up and getting lazy, dropping his hands and not fighting with his normal intensity he is used to with scared opponents. This is when Rocky starts to land heavy shots and Tyson drops.


wlrvne wrote

And my fantasy would be seeing you sliding your vehicle under a gasoline truck

[theone]

In this thread, you give Marciano no chance against Tyson. Why? In the Tyson/Foreman thread you have Tyson losing big-time. Can you explain the discrepency in your opinions of these 2 fights. Bearing in mind that Marciano is arguably the greatest heavy weight ever. Now, don't get emotional - just give us a fight plan.

firstly I've never gotten emotional, and am the last person resort to name calling and snide remarks.

That aside- the reason i think Foreman would beat both Tyson and Marciano is a question of style and the physics of pugilism. tyson and Marciano would both have to get inside of foremans reach to do damege becasue of their size and reach, Marciano having the shortest of any heavyweight in history. foreman with his size strenght reach ramrod like jab and powerful right hand would make them pay too hard of a price to be successful. george was very good at pushing back rushing opponents, side stepping and delivering deadly uppercuts. their size and style are taylor made for a prime Foreman. Marciano, weighing only 189lbs. and prone to cuts would fair far worse.
The reason i pick tyson over Marciano is just as simple. both came straight in with bad intentions, but tysons size advantage added to his far superior hand speed would be too much for the rock to overcome. the force of tysons punches would rip his face to shreds.

[wlvrne]

Rocky came in low and up the middle. Tyson came in high, because that's what his opponents gave him. Rocky would give him nothing but the middle, and that's where Marciano's ground-work lay.

[theone]

Rocky came in low and up the middle

and thats where tyson's upper cut would lift himoff his feet.

[Professor X]

Actually Holyfield would destroy Walcottt or Charles. That's a natural fact. C'mon oldtimers, I wanna hear it (that excludes you, pissant, BrocktonBlockbuster). Lets get it on.

Foreman would crush Tyson within four.

[BrocktonBlockbuster49]

the fact is walcott was a much better boxer than holyfield, besides jack johnson, walcott was 2nd best defensive heavyweight IMO. walcott didnt learn stuff, he INVENTED things. he had so many tricks and when he was at his best he made people looky silly. not only that but walcott also hit very hard. he hit just as hard as holyfield if not better. how is holyfield gonna beat him?????

walcott also has a very underated jab. walcott would sucker in holyfield all night then land hard combos and back up hoylfield again. holyfield would be puzzled the whole fight. holyfield also has bad stamina and walcott had good stamina, by the late rounds walcott will be even more effective and holyfield will lose a unanimous deciison.

ezzard charles was a ten tiimes better box than holyfield, plus ezzard had lots of speed. he would just outbox holyfield like bowe did, except ezzard has better stamina than both. and holyifeld doesnt have the power to KO charles. charles by wide decision.

- only guy i seee hoylfield beating his archie moore but even the old mongoose would pose lots of problems for holyfield. we all saw how much trouble qawi gave holyfield. archie is a lot like qawi except is a better boxer. holyfield will have trouble eaking out a decision.

[theone]

only guy i seee hoylfield beating his archie moore but even the old mongoose would pose lots of problems for holyfield. we all saw how much trouble qawi gave holyfield. archie is a lot like qawi except is a better boxer. holyfield will have trouble eaking out a decision.

holyfield was a cruiserweight when he fought Quawi. and he destroyed him in the rematch.

[dalek]

which holyfield are we talking about guys?the one that lost to the legendary moorer?the one that struggled with ancient versions of holmes and foreman?the one that nearly got ko'd with jokin bert cooper?
although evander seemed a better fighter at cruiser i wouldn't bet on him destroying any of the fine heavyweights mentioned.if you take the bowe trilogy into account(and bowe was nowhere near as good as a lot of people would have you believe)then you are left with a very inconsistent,mediocre heavyweight.
oops i've just noticed he was consistent.CONSISTENTLY BAD!

[Ezzard]

A bit hard on Holyfield. He did have some undistinguished performances but for me he came out on top (just) in a decent era for HWs. He beat Tyson twice by taking the fight to Tyson (something people thought couldn't be done). He had 3 top fights with Bowe losing the series 1-2 but was close to winning number 3. He then drew and lost to Lewis when some people thought he won the rematch. You have to take into account that Holyfield left a lot in the ring after the Bowe trilogy but still had enough to beat Tyson and almost Lewis.

I don't think Holyfield is a top tier HW but he would be competitive with anyone. It's also interesting that Holy was originally the same size as the old timers but managed to add weight and maintain his spped and fluency. If Holy could do it then so could Rocky and the rest.

[dalek]

yeah i admit i was a bit harsh.i actually always liked evander.i just think he was very overrated at heavy.the ring had him at 3 which was ludicrous.but to say holy would destroy these guys is way off beam imo.

[barry]

>>>No one built as powerfully as tyson existed in boxing until sonny Liston hit the scene.<<<


Just an example of a very well built fighter of the 1910s. Of course there are many, many, many more!

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theone, you really should start doing some reading and researching about pre-1920 boxing because it is very obvious that you know very little about the time, which is not meant as an insult, it’s just a suggestion because the statements that you make about the time are not only clueless, but most of the time they are just plainly wrong.


As to Marciano –vs- Tyson…There are two possible outcomes in my opinion. One would be Tyson winning early because of his speed and crushing power, but if Tyson did not score an early knock out in the first, or second round then Marciano comes on to inflict some serious damage to the body and head for several rounds until Tyson collapsed in the 13, or 14th round, because Marciano had crushing power as well. It should also be mentioned, if it hasn’t already that Tyson’s best fighting weight was around 215-218 and Marciano 187-189, which isn’t really much difference at the heavyweight level with the very top fighters. Of course if the bout occurred today, Marciano would probably come into the bout between 210 and 220. One thing is certain, no one, ever trained as hard and as diligently as Marciano, they didn’t come any tougher and none had the will to win that Marciano carried.

[tiredoldngrey]

I think that as a strategic consideration that the stance of Marciano, weight back, shoulkd not be underestimated. Several referenced the Tyson uppercut which is awful hard to land on a guy leaning back. Also, neither man would be facing a tremendous ht or reach advantage- or one that would m,atter as Tyson is unlikely to get obn his toes and jab. Plus, a key Tyson defensive move of that time- getting very low and bobbing and weaving- would not do him much good here.
Maybe everybody, most everybody, is right and Tyson would beat Marciano like a cheap heavybag. That is a possibility. It is also possible that Marciano would not freeze like other Tyson foes, and that he would fight back, that maybe Tyson (certainly the least strong mentally, of the two) would be a bit leery of the power of Marciano, and maybe Rocky would hit him back, or, wonder of it all, first. At that point I would suggest that all the Tyson is too much stuff at least goes up in the air if not out the window.

[Ezzard]

I think that as a strategic consideration that the stance of Marciano, weight back, shoulkd not be underestimated. Several referenced the Tyson uppercut which is awful hard to land on a guy leaning back. Also, neither man would be facing a tremendous ht or reach advantage- or one that would m,atter as Tyson is unlikely to get obn his toes and jab. Plus, a key Tyson defensive move of that time- getting very low and bobbing and weaving- would not do him much good here.
Maybe everybody, most everybody, is right and Tyson would beat Marciano like a cheap heavybag. That is a possibility. It is also possible that Marciano would not freeze like other Tyson foes, and that he would fight back, that maybe Tyson (certainly the least strong mentally, of the two) would be a bit leery of the power of Marciano, and maybe Rocky would hit him back, or, wonder of it all, first. At that point I would suggest that all the Tyson is too much stuff at least goes up in the air if not out the window.

Agrre with yuor sentiment TONG

Always my conclusion about Tyson. When he was good he had basically 2 types of fight. 1 he just steamrollers the opponent. 2 the opponent gives up any idea of offence and just looks to survive. He was never really in a close fight that he won. Maybe the first Ruddock fight was as close as it got. Every single time Tyson was under real pressure he folded. Now I'm not sure if Rocky (who really got going after the 4th round) can make it past the first few rounds, but I do know that if he manages to match Tyson for any prolonged time in the fight that he would win.

[sugarramos]

can rocky take mike into the deep waters and drown him or does mike knockout the Brockton blockbuster I take the latter

[man]

mike. easy.

[Oiky]

Tyson

[ClivePatrickLyons]

This fight won't go the distance Tyson would get Rocky in trouble early in round 2 and blow him away in brutal fashion.

[Kalan]

ive been thinking of some mythical matchups and i dont beleive ive seen this one.. who do you guys think would win this one?.. a prime mike tyson is scary, but he never faced a guy like rocky.. rocky had alot of courage and would be there punching tyson with his best in the later rounds... they both had unbeleivable punching power.. who do you guys think wins a fight between a prime mike tyson and a prime rocky marciano?

IMO rocky will be able to stick with tyson, and slowly take command of the fight because he is a smarter fighter... im not sure if he can KO tyson but if he does its in the 13-15 round area (considering it is a 15 round fight) but if there is no KO ill take rocky by a ravor thin margin.. something like - 8-7 8-7 9-6

How does Rocky beat Tyson went it takes him 9 rounds to knock out ancient Light Heavyweight Archie Moore -- who Patterson blew out in 5???

Tyson cures the much bigger and undefeated Light Heavyweight (Michael Spinks) in 90 seconds... showing speed and power that Rocky couldn't match.

[Kalan]

And Tyson did fight a guy who was a lot like Rocky... HIs name was Brian Nielsen... He was matched real soft like Rocky and went 49-0 for his first 49.

[man]

And Tyson did fight a guy who was a lot like Rocky... HIs name was Brian Nielsen... He was matched real soft like Rocky and went 49-0 for his first 49.

please.

[elmersalsa]

Speed kills. The great Mike Tyson would have blown The Brockton Blockbuster in a brutal fashion. The fight would be over in 2 rounds.

Marciano is too small for Tyson. Let's be real here. Tyson in my view blows out every heavyweight before the great Sonny Liston.

There are only two guys in my view in the history of boxing that had THE RARE COMBINATION OF SPEED AND POWER. Those are Tyson and the great Roy Jones, Jr.

[Crease]

Marciano outlasts him & breaks his courage.
Rocky wins by late KO.