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Raping women is a horrible thing to do. I think that a man should be able to repent for his crimes, but Tyson has not. He's shown no remorse for anything he's done in life, except losing all of his money.

What if a man was not guilty of the crime he was convicted of? There were major flaws in the court case, least of all eye-witnesses not being allowed to testify in court.

If the trial were to take place today, Tyson would be found not-guilty!

All the people who say Tyson is this, that, the world would be better without him etc, are just ignorant!

Tyson is a popular sportsman, always has been, always will be!

RazorKO wrote:I believe and may other people think that Tyson was innocent of his rape conviction, but Berbick and Ayala's case on the other hand were found guilty and no controversy surrounds their cases like they do Tyson's.

Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

I'm going on memory but wasn't there a problem with the jury because King was trying to bribe certain members. Tyson and his people threw a lot of money at this case and we've seen time and tiem again how money can get you off for the most heinous crimes.

Tyson served his time. I don't see any attenpts by him to clear his name. I don't hear of anyone else coming out and asking for appeals.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote: From what I read in books and heard I didnt really hear or read any evidende of rape, nor did I read/her anything of bruising or marks as a 220 pound man like Tyson holding down Washington would of made bruises on her arms or anywhere else - but there was no bruises of any kind.

One thing that also made me wonder was why didnt Washington scream? There was people I believe staying in rooms next to Tyson's and if she of screamed then people could of contacted the police immediently. Another question is that when Washington was in the bathroom at one point during this incident why didnt she contact for help as I believe there was a phone in there and why didnt she leave through the backdoor as there was a door in the bathoom that led out to the hallway I believe.

The whole trial was really her word against his and even though Tyson has done some bad things outside (and inside) of the ring, I dont think he is evil enough to commit a disgusting crime such as rape.

Trevor Berbick and Tony Alaya on the other hand are examples of evil men but Tyson is certainly not in their catergory.

I don't really see why Berbick and Ayala are evil but Tyson isn't?...... remember he got off from a hell of a lot before his behaviour fiinally caught up with him... what we know that he has doen is probably just the half of it....

I believe and may other people think that Tyson was innocent of his rape conviction, but Berbick and Ayala's case on the other hand were found guilty and no controversy surrounds their cases like they do Tyson's. - I read somewhere that Berbick not only raped this woman but tortured her and Berbick also was involved in armed robbery and shoved a gun down his managers throat after a row. Ayala did the same thing to a woman back in the 80's. Infact when Ayala used to knock someone down or out he sometimes spat on the opponent and we all know that after fights Tyson behaved kindly towards his fallen oponent - helping him up and hugging the opponent.

Berbick and Alaya's crime was so bad that Berbick was deported out of Canada back to Jamica and Alaya was in prison for about 19/20 years.

As I said Tyson has done some bad things inside and outside of the ring - but the stuff Mike did is really nothing compared to the pure evil crimes Berbick and Alaya had commited.

Did she fake the internal injuries she suffered and the 3 different stds that she caught from him?. I used to think he was innocent but after looking at all the evidence there is no doubt that he did it.... and this certainly wasn't the first time either. She may have been foolish going to his roon but that doesn't give him the right to do the things that he did to her....
as for her doing it for the money, she was the first person to bring charges against Tyson rather than just being brought off like other people were in the past and have been since.........

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:I believe and may other people think that Tyson was innocent of his rape conviction, but Berbick and Ayala's case on the other hand were found guilty and no controversy surrounds their cases like they do Tyson's.

Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

Mike Tyson is the reason I love Boxing.

RazorKO wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:I believe and may other people think that Tyson was innocent of his rape conviction, but Berbick and Ayala's case on the other hand were found guilty and no controversy surrounds their cases like they do Tyson's.

Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

No bruising?... from what I've heard she had severe internal injuries...

RazorKO wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:I believe and may other people think that Tyson was innocent of his rape conviction, but Berbick and Ayala's case on the other hand were found guilty and no controversy surrounds their cases like they do Tyson's.

Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

Razor,

Mike could have got down on all fours and kissed your behind but it has absolutely no bearing on the case, the trial, or whether he is capable of committing an evil crime or not.

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

The Great John L wrote: Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

Razor,

Mike could have got down on all fours and kissed your behind but it has absolutely no bearing on the case, the trial, or whether he is capable of committing an evil crime or not.

Im just saying that from what Ive seen from Mike, he seems like a kind person and I just doubt he is capable of a hideous crime such as rape. If Mike was nasty or bad to his fans than I could see what he was like outside of the ring but infact he acted just the opposite.

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

The Great John L wrote: Controversy? He was convicted by a jury and had virtually unlimited resources to beat the rap. No one posting here was in the jury box, and most likely none of us attended every day of the trial, so we don't really know the facts. The jury heard all of the facts and testimony and voted unanimously to convict. There was no split decision in this battle. He was convicted and, unlike many in our justice system wasn't relying on a public defender, so it's hard to imagine it as being controversial.

True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

No bruising?... from what I've heard she had severe internal injuries...

I havent heard that, I believe there was no injuries or bruising found of any kind. The whole trail was her word against his. Tyson had a chance of reducing his sentance if he admitted to the rape, Tyson said he rather go to prison for 1000 years than admitt to a crime he didnt commit.

RazorKO wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

RazorKO wrote: True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

Razor,

Mike could have got down on all fours and kissed your behind but it has absolutely no bearing on the case, the trial, or whether he is capable of committing an evil crime or not.

Im just saying that from what Ive seen from Mike, he seems like a kind person and I just doubt he is capable of a hideous crime such as rape. If Mike was nasty or bad to his fans than I could see what he was like outside of the ring but infact he acted just the opposite.

Which is pretty much what I'd expect of someone who has committed such a crime but still makes their money from public appearances. I hope Mike finds some peace in his life but I still don't think your observations have any bearing on what he is or isn't capable of.

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote: True, I wasnt there at the trial etc but the whole case just seemed very fishy to me, dont forget Washington had cried rape before but it turned out it was a lie so it is quite hard to trust someone like her. As I said in a previous post somewhere where Desiree was in the bathroom, why didnt she phone for help? There was a phone in the room and also I believe a door that led out to the hallway, she could of easily slipped out but she continued to stay in Tysons hotel room. Also no bruises were found on her arms and a 220 pound man like Tyson gripping and holding down a 105 pound 5ft 3 Desiree would of caused some kind of brusing...but no brusing was found. Tyson has done some bad things but to rape someone you have to be pure evil and I dont think Tyson is that, he has showed compassion and friendship to his fallen opponents inside the ring and especially the way he spoke to me when I met him all those years ago at a fan signing, he spoke to me like I was a king and was a gentleman to his fans there.

No bruising?... from what I've heard she had severe internal injuries...

I havent heard that, I believe there was no injuries or bruising found of any kind. The whole trail was her word against his. Tyson had a chance of reducing his sentance if he admitted to the rape, Tyson said he rather go to prison for 1000 years than admitt to a crime he didnt commit.

Maybe you haven't looked closely enough... in a documentry in which Tyson himself took part it was revealed that Washington suffered internal injuries and also had 3 different types of sexually transmitted diseases from Tyson.... the claims that there was no bruising etc are just plain wrong.... Tyson had got away with very simular incidents in the past by just buying the persons silence... Washington was the first to be brave enougth to prosecute him despite the efforts of Tysons henchmen to buy her off.
I have no respect for Tyson any more, the man has had more chances to mend his ways than most people get in their lifetime, but the truth is that he enjoys his notoriety and the fact that some people still seem to believe that he is someone to look up to!...

mike is some one to look up too i want to be just like him

if anyone wants to see why there is so much turmoil in the world and on the streets today just read this thread where people defend such a scum and actually boast that they want to emulate him - we have complete idiots arguing a case they know nothing about and others questioning if a woman can be raped if she wears your wedding ring - is this the redneck hotline or an actual sports forum? - moderators need to lock this thread and try to salvage the forum's respect

Otyson wrote:mike is some one to look up too i want to be just like him

You are so naive.

bkmckenna wrote:if anyone wants to see why there is so much turmoil in the world and on the streets today just read this thread where people defend such a scum and actually boast that they want to emulate him - we have complete idiots arguing a case they know nothing about and others questioning if a woman can be raped if she wears your wedding ring - is this the redneck hotline or an actual sports forum? - moderators need to lock this thread and try to salvage the forum's respect

Im just stating on what I read and heard on this case. If you are such an expert on this case Id like to hear your views.

silkov wrote:

RazorKO wrote:

silkov wrote: No bruising?... from what I've heard she had severe internal injuries...

I havent heard that, I believe there was no injuries or bruising found of any kind. The whole trail was her word against his. Tyson had a chance of reducing his sentance if he admitted to the rape, Tyson said he rather go to prison for 1000 years than admitt to a crime he didnt commit.

Maybe you haven't looked closely enough... in a documentry in which Tyson himself took part it was revealed that Washington suffered internal injuries and also had 3 different types of sexually transmitted diseases from Tyson.... the claims that there was no bruising etc are just plain wrong.... Tyson had got away with very simular incidents in the past by just buying the persons silence... Washington was the first to be brave enougth to prosecute him despite the efforts of Tysons henchmen to buy her off.
I have no respect for Tyson any more, the man has had more chances to mend his ways than most people get in their lifetime, but the truth is that he enjoys his notoriety and the fact that some people still seem to believe that he is someone to look up to!...

Whats the documentary called? Ive never heard of the internal injuries and sexually transmitted diseases.

From what I know the whole trial as I said was her word against his and thats not enough to convict someone. And I know instances when Tyson has shown kindess, last year a woman policeofficer was gunned down and another severaly wounded in Britian (I think it was in Britian) by 3 black males and Tyson when he was on tour in England donated money to the family of the woman killed as well as the one wounded. Tyson also took part in youth programs helping the disabled and the youths in poverty - That shows he has some good in him.

RazorKO wrote:From what I know the whole trial as I said was her word against his and thats not enough to convict someone. And I know instances when Tyson has shown kindess, last year a woman policeofficer was gunned down and another severaly wounded in Britian (I think it was in Britian) by 3 black males and Tyson when he was on tour in England donated money to the family of the woman killed as well as the one wounded. Tyson also took part in youth programs helping the disabled and the youths in poverty - That shows he has some good in him.

So what exactly do you know of the trial? Were you on the jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING about it!! Obviously they had enough to convict him. He had unlimited resources and powerfull people behind him, so he got the best possible defense. The evidence must have been pretty good, don't you think???

It makes no difference how much money he donates, or what people he helps. His very public statements show that he does not have much respect for people, especially women. Everybody has some good in them. That doesn't mean they can't commit crimes.

Otyson wrote:mike is some one to look up too i want to be just like him

Including being jailed for rape?...

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:From what I know the whole trial as I said was her word against his and thats not enough to convict someone. And I know instances when Tyson has shown kindess, last year a woman policeofficer was gunned down and another severaly wounded in Britian (I think it was in Britian) by 3 black males and Tyson when he was on tour in England donated money to the family of the woman killed as well as the one wounded. Tyson also took part in youth programs helping the disabled and the youths in poverty - That shows he has some good in him.

So what exactly do you know of the trial? Were you on the jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING about it!! Obviously they had enough to convict him. He had unlimited resources and powerfull people behind him, so he got the best possible defense. The evidence must have been pretty good, don't you think???

It makes no difference how much money he donates, or what people he helps. His very public statements show that he does not have much respect for people, especially women. Everybody has some good in them. That doesn't mean they can't commit crimes.

And were you on the trial? Were you on the Jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU dont know anything about it. A coin has 2 sides Im afriad.

It makes no difference how much money he donates, or what people he helps. His very public statements show that he does not have much respect for people, especially women. Everybody has some good in them. That doesn't mean they can't commit crimes.

Im just stating he has good in him to donate to the people who really need it and if he doesnt have respect to people than I must be one of his best friends as he sure as hell treated me kindly, and Im a man from South Africa where up to 1994 Black people were treated as inferiors but he treated me very kindly.

So people calling Tyson 'Pure scum' and other names are wrong as Mike has done some very very kind things.

RazorKO wrote:And were you on the trial? Were you on the Jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU dont know anything about it. A coin has 2 sides Im afriad.

No, I know very little about the actual trial, that's the point. I only know that he was convicted after a fair trial where had the best lawyers and almost unlimited funds. However, there were 12 people who sat through the entire trial, and they heard all of the evidence. I'm not questoning them, you are. You probably heard absolutely no evidence and you know nothing about the trial yet because Tyson rescued a cat from a tree once then you assume that 12 people are either complete idiots or are dishonest. Please explain why you feel qualified to express your rather bizarre opinion about this case, and why you think the jurors were either stupid or dishonest.

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:And were you on the trial? Were you on the Jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU dont know anything about it. A coin has 2 sides Im afriad.

No, I know very little about the actual trial, that's the point. I only know that he was convicted after a fair trial where had the best lawyers and almost unlimited funds. However, there were 12 people who sat through the entire trial, and they heard all of the evidence. I'm not questoning them, you are. You probably heard absolutely no evidence and you know nothing about the trial yet because Tyson rescued a cat from a tree once then you assume that 12 people are either complete idiots or are dishonest. Please explain why you feel qualified to express your rather bizarre opinion about this case, and why you think the jurors were either stupid or dishonest.

I've actually read up a lot on the trial and the whole case as a whole and theres little doubt that Tyson was guilty, ...he also did the same thing in the poast and got away with it... Razor is living in cloud cuckoo land just because Mikey smiled at him!...

silkov wrote:

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:And were you on the trial? Were you on the Jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU dont know anything about it. A coin has 2 sides Im afriad.

No, I know very little about the actual trial, that's the point. I only know that he was convicted after a fair trial where had the best lawyers and almost unlimited funds. However, there were 12 people who sat through the entire trial, and they heard all of the evidence. I'm not questoning them, you are. You probably heard absolutely no evidence and you know nothing about the trial yet because Tyson rescued a cat from a tree once then you assume that 12 people are either complete idiots or are dishonest. Please explain why you feel qualified to express your rather bizarre opinion about this case, and why you think the jurors were either stupid or dishonest.

I've actually read up a lot on the trial and the whole case as a whole and theres little doubt that Tyson was guilty, ...he also did the same thing in the poast and got away with it... Razor is living in cloud cuckoo land just because Mikey smiled at him!...

Silkov Im interested to know the documentary where you said Washinton suffered injuries as Ive never heard of any injuries being found. Also im interested what other past rape he got away with.

The Great John L wrote:

RazorKO wrote:And were you on the trial? Were you on the Jury? Did you attend the trial? Did you read the entire transcripts of the case? If not, then YOU dont know anything about it. A coin has 2 sides Im afriad.

No, I know very little about the actual trial, that's the point. I only know that he was convicted after a fair trial where had the best lawyers and almost unlimited funds. However, there were 12 people who sat through the entire trial, and they heard all of the evidence. I'm not questoning them, you are. You probably heard absolutely no evidence and you know nothing about the trial yet because Tyson rescued a cat from a tree once then you assume that 12 people are either complete idiots or are dishonest. Please explain why you feel qualified to express your rather bizarre opinion about this case, and why you think the jurors were either stupid or dishonest.

I already said the evidence I heard on previous pages of the thread. Washington had cried rape before on a person and she was found of being a liar - How can she be trusted? Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf, except in this case they believed the boy again.

I already said rape is a pure evil hideous crime, but it is also pure evil for a woman to accuse a man of rape when he didnt do it and I believe Tyson is completly innocent and people purely judge him from that rape now a days, not of his excellent talent in the ring and his intellegence of boxing history.

Berbick, Alaya, Ibeachi, David Hilton Jr, Michael Dokes - These are men who have done these crimes but we rarely hear anyone talking about them.

Same with the biting incident and I admitt that was a bad and awful thing to do but people seem to forget that Holyfield himself had amitted in biting an opponent, other examples are - Jumbo Cummings biting Renaldo Snipes on the shoulder, Michael Bentt biting Herbie Hide on the neck, Andrew Golota taking a chunk out of Sampson Pouha's shoulder But only Tyson is remembered for it and thats a damn shame.

All Washington was interested in was money and fame. I don't know much about the trial itself, but I do know that a woman will not put herself into the kind of position that Washington did unless she did want something. Now if she was a completely gulliable idiot who couldn't chew gum and walk at the same time then it would be believable that she just went up to Tyson's hotel room at 2:00, or 3:00 A.M. just to talk, but she was far from being a dunce when she spoke out on television. No, she was very intelligent and she knew exactly what she was doing and she got paid very, very well for it.

It's just common sense...if Tyson had raped her she would have been beaten all to hell. She would have had bruises all over her face and body, but from what I do recall about the trial she only had bruising to her private area, which would seem to be that she just had rough sex, or an abnormally large organ, which supposedly Tyson has. The only way that I would ever believe that Tyson actually did rape that girl is if he himself sat down and said yes I raped her, she came up to my hotel room and then would not put out so I took it, but he has never said that.

Tyson has been a horrible individual, no doubt about it, but he has also been a false scape-goat for a lot of people trying to get rich!