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Mattyp151 wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Terence wrote:I hear your points guys and I'm not being deliberately obtuse but I see something special in Harrison and am not going to give up on him. Nick, you are correct; I know for a fact he does not do road work so that is why the chassis is good but the engine lacks power. On the other hand he boxes beautifully at times, his power is good, his balance is wonderful, his movement is also and when he lets his hands go he is one of the best I've seen and I'm not some no-nothing internet fan but someone who has been steeped in boxing for years. I am defending Audley in general not on the Williams fight in particular; the criticism has been fierce and IMO a lot of it is of the: "I told you so." variety but also IMO it is jumping the guinn(?) a bit. You are taking a bunch of general rules: "He is over 30.", "Fighters need to run." and applying them but look at the heavyweight division and look at Golota, people said he'd never come back after the Tyson fight. You never know in boxing. Plus you never give up and I'm not going to say: "Oh well thanks for the unsatisfying five years Big Aud' but if you don't mind I'm off to support Amir Khan."

On the criteria that cream (talent) rises to the top I'm still happy to support Audley. When he beats Guinn he'll get stick, if he wins a title or note he'll get stick, if Lewis came back and Audley KO'd him Audley would get stick (Lewis) as well for that matter and finally when he retires Audley will get stick. He is a divisive figure is our Aud' but I'll stick to this side of the divide and continue to enjoy his fights (I actually enjoyed the last one BTW). Audley will become a true Champion and that may sound crazy but then I am a fan. He is going to KO Guinn in spectacular fashion as well.

Some excellent posts Terence

People have been too quick to right Audley off IMO lets see what happens in the Guinn fight, it would be a fantastic result if Audley could be the first one to stop him, but whether he wins or loses I'll still be a fan

No one wrote Audley off, he wrote himself off. e basically didn't show up to fight the biggest fight of his life thus far...yes, bigger than the gold medal. He had a very beatable opponent in Williams, and had his window of opportunity sitting in front of him. And what did he do with that window? He slammed it shut on his own fingers and cost himself dearly in regards to getting a World Title shot anytime soon. He is 34 years old, and is still looking for a good win as a pro. He's beaten some good opponents, but nothing that would put him in that World Class status that he put himself in before the Williams fight. All that before the fight, not including calling Williams a clubfighter and nothing more, and then goes out and basically puts his tail between his legs and gives in during the fight. He has talent, but he lacks the desire and heart to make anything of that talent.

Mattyp151 wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Terence wrote:I hear your points guys and I'm not being deliberately obtuse but I see something special in Harrison and am not going to give up on him. Nick, you are correct; I know for a fact he does not do road work so that is why the chassis is good but the engine lacks power. On the other hand he boxes beautifully at times, his power is good, his balance is wonderful, his movement is also and when he lets his hands go he is one of the best I've seen and I'm not some no-nothing internet fan but someone who has been steeped in boxing for years. I am defending Audley in general not on the Williams fight in particular; the criticism has been fierce and IMO a lot of it is of the: "I told you so." variety but also IMO it is jumping the guinn(?) a bit. You are taking a bunch of general rules: "He is over 30.", "Fighters need to run." and applying them but look at the heavyweight division and look at Golota, people said he'd never come back after the Tyson fight. You never know in boxing. Plus you never give up and I'm not going to say: "Oh well thanks for the unsatisfying five years Big Aud' but if you don't mind I'm off to support Amir Khan."

On the criteria that cream (talent) rises to the top I'm still happy to support Audley. When he beats Guinn he'll get stick, if he wins a title or note he'll get stick, if Lewis came back and Audley KO'd him Audley would get stick (Lewis) as well for that matter and finally when he retires Audley will get stick. He is a divisive figure is our Aud' but I'll stick to this side of the divide and continue to enjoy his fights (I actually enjoyed the last one BTW). Audley will become a true Champion and that may sound crazy but then I am a fan. He is going to KO Guinn in spectacular fashion as well.

Some excellent posts Terence

People have been too quick to right Audley off IMO lets see what happens in the Guinn fight, it would be a fantastic result if Audley could be the first one to stop him, but whether he wins or loses I'll still be a fan

No one wrote Audley off, he wrote himself off. e basically didn't show up to fight the biggest fight of his life thus far...yes, bigger than the gold medal. He had a very beatable opponent in Williams, and had his window of opportunity sitting in front of him. And what did he do with that window? He slammed it shut on his own fingers and cost himself dearly in regards to getting a World Title shot anytime soon. He is 34 years old, and is still looking for a good win as a pro. He's beaten some good opponents, but nothing that would put him in that World Class status that he put himself in before the Williams fight. All that before the fight, not including calling Williams a clubfighter and nothing more, and then goes out and basically puts his tail between his legs and gives in during the fight. He has talent, but he lacks the desire and heart to make anything of that talent.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Audley is 35, and fell at the first reasonable hurdle put in his way. Williams is a sub European championship level fighter, even domestically his form is patchy, with losses to Sprott and Francis.

I just don't really see much grounds for any optimism about Audley's career now. How exactly at 35 is he going to improve sufficiently to do anything in the division?

Chambers2 wrote:This is a MASSIVE fight for Audley and its a tough one, Guinn has better wins than Audley on his record and although hes lost a few at the top level hes not been outclassed (maybe other than the Toney fight). Hopefully we'll see Guinn try and pressure Audley, so we can see if December 10th was an off night for Audley, he always seems to fight better when hes in the US.


Guinn is in for a right fornicating hiding, hes going to feel the full force of the December 10th backlash.

I reckon Audley makes a few style and aggression amendments, then comes out on April 14th and makes a statement. It'll be great to see the BIG man back in the ring again

Come on Audley!!!!

KO Atrist wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:This is a MASSIVE fight for Audley and its a tough one, Guinn has better wins than Audley on his record and although hes lost a few at the top level hes not been outclassed (maybe other than the Toney fight). Hopefully we'll see Guinn try and pressure Audley, so we can see if December 10th was an off night for Audley, he always seems to fight better when hes in the US.


Guinn is in for a right fornicating hiding, hes going to feel the full force of the December 10th backlash.

I reckon Audley makes a few style and aggression amendments, then comes out on April 14th and makes a statement. It'll be great to see the BIG man back in the ring again

Come on Audley!!!!

How can you support this guy. He's a wanker

Terence wrote:He has shown an abundance of skill though; punch picking; movement and I've yet to go into a gym where they don't think he is extremely gifted and talented. So that shows something. He had one bad night and suddenly he is a pariah. No one is denying he has skills so how outlandish is it to think that a highly skilled fighter can come back? Some seem to think it is impossible and that is laughable. He is being made out to be lazy, a coward, a celebrity seeker, a reality TV reject, the final gunman on the grassy knoll and next week is on trial for the abuction of shergar. Talk of him being beaten by Guinn are speculative, as is my proclamation of victory. If you think he is a waste of time and talent then don't watch him fight, or waste time speculating on him for that matter. As I said he seems to hold a fascination for a lot of fans, even if it is negative it maintains his profile; where there is a profile there is a chance of biggish fights, as evidenced by this Guinn fight.

Chambers2 wrote:

KO Atrist wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:This is a MASSIVE fight for Audley and its a tough one, Guinn has better wins than Audley on his record and although hes lost a few at the top level hes not been outclassed (maybe other than the Toney fight). Hopefully we'll see Guinn try and pressure Audley, so we can see if December 10th was an off night for Audley, he always seems to fight better when hes in the US.


Guinn is in for a right fornicating hiding, hes going to feel the full force of the December 10th backlash.

I reckon Audley makes a few style and aggression amendments, then comes out on April 14th and makes a statement. It'll be great to see the BIG man back in the ring again

Come on Audley!!!!

How can you support this guy. He's a wanker

How dare you refer to 'The Gifted One' as chicken choker

I like the way that Audley hasn't been scared to do things his own way, no matter what flak he takes. One of the main reasons I alligned myself with BIG Aud was because when he started his pro career the country should have been getting behind Our Gold medallist, but in true British tabloid style he was circled on immediately and there was loads of undue stick thrown at him. I see that Amir Khan is taking plenty of stick over his standard of opposition already and its total bollocks, people just like moaning!!

Guinn is going to face the full fury on April 14th and hes in for a right fornicating shoeing

COME ON AUDLEY!!!!

rod riddle wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

KO Atrist wrote: How can you support this guy. He's a wanker

How dare you refer to 'The Gifted One' as chicken choker

I like the way that Audley hasn't been scared to do things his own way, no matter what flak he takes. One of the main reasons I alligned myself with BIG Aud was because when he started his pro career the country should have been getting behind Our Gold medallist, but in true British tabloid style he was circled on immediately and there was loads of undue stick thrown at him. I see that Amir Khan is taking plenty of stick over his standard of opposition already and its total bollocks, people just like moaning!!

Guinn is going to face the full fury on April 14th and hes in for a right fornicating shoeing

COME ON AUDLEY!!!!

It's not just moaning. People can spot a wanker a mile off, especially one who talks about himself in the third person all the time. "Audley Harrison this", "Audley Harrison that". Oh dear. As for "come on Audley"... why exactly? has he really given you as a fan so many memories? The only memory I have of Audley Harrison, bar a few one-sided and forgettable televised bills is paying £100 for a 'fight' ticket to see him stink the place out and still raise his glove in blind hope at the end of it.

What's happening to Khan is very different - he's a likeable individual who is been hyped way too much by a desperate media (read I-T-V). The pressure must be huge, but he seems to be level-headed enough about it all at the moment. Good luck to him.

It was Audley and Danny who 'stunk' the Excel arena out not just Audley and Audley was quite within his rights to raise his gloves at the end of the fight, the fight could have been scored either way as was reflected in the judges scoring.

With regards to your 'Audley Harrison memories' comment, you only really get definitive memories of fighters when they are in BIG fights

Chambers2 wrote:

rod riddle wrote:

Chambers2 wrote: How dare you refer to 'The Gifted One' as chicken choker

I like the way that Audley hasn't been scared to do things his own way, no matter what flak he takes. One of the main reasons I alligned myself with BIG Aud was because when he started his pro career the country should have been getting behind Our Gold medallist, but in true British tabloid style he was circled on immediately and there was loads of undue stick thrown at him. I see that Amir Khan is taking plenty of stick over his standard of opposition already and its total bollocks, people just like moaning!!

Guinn is going to face the full fury on April 14th and hes in for a right fornicating shoeing

COME ON AUDLEY!!!!

It's not just moaning. People can spot a wanker a mile off, especially one who talks about himself in the third person all the time. "Audley Harrison this", "Audley Harrison that". Oh dear. As for "come on Audley"... why exactly? has he really given you as a fan so many memories? The only memory I have of Audley Harrison, bar a few one-sided and forgettable televised bills is paying £100 for a 'fight' ticket to see him stink the place out and still raise his glove in blind hope at the end of it.

What's happening to Khan is very different - he's a likeable individual who is been hyped way too much by a desperate media (read I-T-V). The pressure must be huge, but he seems to be level-headed enough about it all at the moment. Good luck to him.

There are plenty of boxers who talk about themselves in the third person, do you dislike them all? Audley rarely does this anyway.

It was Audley and Danny who 'stunk' the Excel arena out not just Audley and Audley was quite within his rights to raise his gloves at the end of the fight, the fight could have been scored either way as was reflected in the judges scoring.

The reason I say "Come on Audley" is because I'm a fan of his, I admire his skills and I like how he wanted to conduct his career in his way and how hes stuck to his guns. I still think there is plenty more to come from Audley

With regards to your 'Audley Harrison memories' comment, you only really get definitive memories of fighters when they are in BIG fights, which is the stage of the career that Audley is entering. Audley has put on some good performances though, the finishes to the Wiggins and Davis fights were excellent and showed what Audley can do on the offensive when hes in the mood, the Hersisa and Ellis performances were top draw IMO and he looked very impressive in his first stint in the US against Nix, Diaz and Navarre.

Terence wrote:Chambers, I thought I was one of the biggest fans of Big Aud'. Evidently I was mistaken

Chambers2 wrote:I'm hoping that Guinn comes after Audley and puts him under pressure, because Audley doesn't look good when hes got to initiate the attacks or when people stand off him.

IMO We'll see the best out of Audley when someone is coming after him, so that Audley can counterpunch the smeg out of him. I've seen Guinn fight a few times and he seems to like fighting this way, so fingers crossed

TerribleTerry wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:I'm hoping that Guinn comes after Audley and puts him under pressure, because Audley doesn't look good when hes got to initiate the attacks or when people stand off him.

IMO We'll see the best out of Audley when someone is coming after him, so that Audley can counterpunch the smeg out of him. I've seen Guinn fight a few times and he seems to like fighting this way, so fingers crossed

You just can't resist any Audley thread can you Chambers!

By the way the Baggies are going down - The Blues need them to take their place in 3rd from bottom spot.

Razor wrote:Chambers are you Audley in discuise, i think these are the lengths he'd go to, to rediem himself after the Williams farce

Chambers2 wrote: ginger hair

Chambers2 wrote:

Terence wrote:Chambers, I thought I was one of the biggest fans of Big Aud'. Evidently I was mistaken

I'll take some beating in the 'who is the biggest Aud fan comp', I've been arguing the toss over Audley since he went pro with 100's of people on numerous forums. Good to see a fellow boxing expert in yourself on the board

Guinns gonna feel A-Force on his chin (can you see what I've done there? thats a play on words, that is)

Chambers2 wrote:

Razor wrote:Chambers are you Audley in discuise, i think these are the lengths he'd go to, to rediem himself after the Williams farce

Its a fornicating good disguise, I'm 5 foot 9, 12 stone with ginger hair and a yam-yam accent, Hannibal (from the A-team) would be proud of that one

Terence wrote:No probs, you've gotta have a bit of levity. I just feel bad that you guys are going to miss out when Big Aud' is linear Champion

Terence wrote:No probs, you've gotta have a bit of levity. I just feel bad that you guys are going to miss out when Big Aud' is linear Champion