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You're an ass, you know that? You're sitting there doing the same thing I am, and you're getting pissed at me for it. I've tried to listen to what you've had to say, and I've presented countering arguements, which I'm still not believing you read much of yet.

You seem to think that the only reason for blinking (ever been hit in the eye, that'll make you blink), or ever been outright exhausted (that'll make you gasp for air), is the fact he had head trauma. Yes, McClellan was getting rocked pretty well, but the fact he still had his wits about him to ask the ref to stop some of the shit that was going on, and he eventually realized the ref wasn't going to, and gave it up. Watch the fight, it's clear to see that, yes, later on in the fight, Gerald is blinking, but in the 5th, no way. It wasn't till after the swing-anda-miss by Benn, that led to the nasty headbutt (which wasn't as intentional as I claimed earlier, I apologize), that McClellan really started to feel the effects of the fight. He knocked down Benn after round 5, so obviously, McClellan wasn't that hurt. Also, notice how everything went down hill after the headbutt? If you've ever been hit directly on the head, on near your eye, by something very solid, you know that it'll make you check your eyes a bit. Look at Tarver/Jones III...Antonio popped Roy in teh 11th, and Jones was struggling to get his wits about him, just standing there and defending. People who have an internal issue with their head don't fight back. If they do, how often are they succesful enough to score a KD?

The headbutt occured, McClellan took a knee, as he was supposed to be given recovery time, the ref told him get up and fight, and that's when it all went down hill. Even if you jsut saw a fighter take a knee, slip, KD, or whatever, wouldn't you stop the fight for a second to figure out what happened? Especially when you see Benn flailing around, you'd think to check the other fighter incase something happened. Did Asaro do that? No. He failed at his job that night, especially in the first and the 9th. Gerald may not have been the best defensive technician, but he had a sturdy chin.

Mattyp151 wrote:You're an ass, you know that? You're sitting there doing the same thing I am, and you're getting pissed at me for it. I've tried to listen to what you've had to say, and I've presented countering arguements, which I'm still not believing you read much of yet.

You seem to think that the only reason for blinking (ever been hit in the eye, that'll make you blink), or ever been outright exhausted (that'll make you gasp for air), is the fact he had head trauma. Yes, McClellan was getting rocked pretty well, but the fact he still had his wits about him to ask the ref to stop some of the shit that was going on, and he eventually realized the ref wasn't going to, and gave it up. Watch the fight, it's clear to see that, yes, later on in the fight, Gerald is blinking, but in the 5th, no way. It wasn't till after the swing-anda-miss by Benn, that led to the nasty headbutt (which wasn't as intentional as I claimed earlier, I apologize), that McClellan really started to feel the effects of the fight. He knocked down Benn after round 5, so obviously, McClellan wasn't that hurt. Also, notice how everything went down hill after the headbutt? If you've ever been hit directly on the head, on near your eye, by something very solid, you know that it'll make you check your eyes a bit. Look at Tarver/Jones III...Antonio popped Roy in teh 11th, and Jones was struggling to get his wits about him, just standing there and defending. People who have an internal issue with their head don't fight back. If they do, how often are they succesful enough to score a KD?

The headbutt occured, McClellan took a knee, as he was supposed to be given recovery time, the ref told him get up and fight, and that's when it all went down hill. Even if you jsut saw a fighter take a knee, slip, KD, or whatever, wouldn't you stop the fight for a second to figure out what happened? Especially when you see Benn flailing around, you'd think to check the other fighter incase something happened. Did Asaro do that? No. He failed at his job that night, especially in the first and the 9th. Gerald may not have been the best defensive technician, but he had a sturdy chin.

The only arse here is you mate, you know little about brain injuries and not much more about boxing, I have known someone to walk home after a severe accident with severe head injuries... you really havent a clue!, I could give you more pointers but to be honest can't be bothered, go away and grow up and try and stick to subjects where you know what you're talking about... which probably isn't many!...

NO SILKOV YOU ARE WRONG HE WAS JUST TIRED UNTIL THE CLASH OF HEADS.

silkov wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:You're an ass, you know that? You're sitting there doing the same thing I am, and you're getting pissed at me for it. I've tried to listen to what you've had to say, and I've presented countering arguements, which I'm still not believing you read much of yet.

You seem to think that the only reason for blinking (ever been hit in the eye, that'll make you blink), or ever been outright exhausted (that'll make you gasp for air), is the fact he had head trauma. Yes, McClellan was getting rocked pretty well, but the fact he still had his wits about him to ask the ref to stop some of the shit that was going on, and he eventually realized the ref wasn't going to, and gave it up. Watch the fight, it's clear to see that, yes, later on in the fight, Gerald is blinking, but in the 5th, no way. It wasn't till after the swing-anda-miss by Benn, that led to the nasty headbutt (which wasn't as intentional as I claimed earlier, I apologize), that McClellan really started to feel the effects of the fight. He knocked down Benn after round 5, so obviously, McClellan wasn't that hurt. Also, notice how everything went down hill after the headbutt? If you've ever been hit directly on the head, on near your eye, by something very solid, you know that it'll make you check your eyes a bit. Look at Tarver/Jones III...Antonio popped Roy in teh 11th, and Jones was struggling to get his wits about him, just standing there and defending. People who have an internal issue with their head don't fight back. If they do, how often are they succesful enough to score a KD?

The headbutt occured, McClellan took a knee, as he was supposed to be given recovery time, the ref told him get up and fight, and that's when it all went down hill. Even if you jsut saw a fighter take a knee, slip, KD, or whatever, wouldn't you stop the fight for a second to figure out what happened? Especially when you see Benn flailing around, you'd think to check the other fighter incase something happened. Did Asaro do that? No. He failed at his job that night, especially in the first and the 9th. Gerald may not have been the best defensive technician, but he had a sturdy chin.

The only arse here is you mate, you know little about brain injuries and not much more about boxing, I have known someone to walk home after a severe accident with severe head injuries... you really havent a clue!, I could give you more pointers but to be honest can't be bothered, go away and grow up and try and stick to subjects where you know what you're talking about... which probably isn't many!...

Haha, go eat a cock, dude. When did you become a brain surgeon? Where did all your knowledge about brain injuries come from? I wouldn't exactly equate wikipedia or webmd as a fornicating doctorate degree. What haven I said here that is off key and not believable? You all seem to be writing off everything I say because English fight fans look up to Benn, and rightfully so, he was one of the best from the UK. However, you all seem to ignore what I've had to say, and dismiss it faster than it can be written. So go ahead, call me arse, at least I'm not an ignorant fornicate who doesn't give other people a chance.

Walking home after severe head injuries is a ton different than knocking someone down with a brain clot in your head. Adrenaline will point you in the direction, but you have to have some wits about you to react and respond. I played american football for 12 years, 4 in college, and I've had more concussions than I care to remember. I've gotten up from hits and not known where I was, but managed to find my way back to the huddle and call the next play....didn't have a clue what the play was supposed to accomplish, and usually ended with me going the wrong direction. That is just a concussion, nothing close to a brain clot.

Mattyp151 wrote:

silkov wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:You're an ass, you know that? You're sitting there doing the same thing I am, and you're getting pissed at me for it. I've tried to listen to what you've had to say, and I've presented countering arguements, which I'm still not believing you read much of yet.

You seem to think that the only reason for blinking (ever been hit in the eye, that'll make you blink), or ever been outright exhausted (that'll make you gasp for air), is the fact he had head trauma. Yes, McClellan was getting rocked pretty well, but the fact he still had his wits about him to ask the ref to stop some of the shit that was going on, and he eventually realized the ref wasn't going to, and gave it up. Watch the fight, it's clear to see that, yes, later on in the fight, Gerald is blinking, but in the 5th, no way. It wasn't till after the swing-anda-miss by Benn, that led to the nasty headbutt (which wasn't as intentional as I claimed earlier, I apologize), that McClellan really started to feel the effects of the fight. He knocked down Benn after round 5, so obviously, McClellan wasn't that hurt. Also, notice how everything went down hill after the headbutt? If you've ever been hit directly on the head, on near your eye, by something very solid, you know that it'll make you check your eyes a bit. Look at Tarver/Jones III...Antonio popped Roy in teh 11th, and Jones was struggling to get his wits about him, just standing there and defending. People who have an internal issue with their head don't fight back. If they do, how often are they succesful enough to score a KD?

The headbutt occured, McClellan took a knee, as he was supposed to be given recovery time, the ref told him get up and fight, and that's when it all went down hill. Even if you jsut saw a fighter take a knee, slip, KD, or whatever, wouldn't you stop the fight for a second to figure out what happened? Especially when you see Benn flailing around, you'd think to check the other fighter incase something happened. Did Asaro do that? No. He failed at his job that night, especially in the first and the 9th. Gerald may not have been the best defensive technician, but he had a sturdy chin.

The only arse here is you mate, you know little about brain injuries and not much more about boxing, I have known someone to walk home after a severe accident with severe head injuries... you really havent a clue!, I could give you more pointers but to be honest can't be bothered, go away and grow up and try and stick to subjects where you know what you're talking about... which probably isn't many!...

Haha, go eat a cock, dude. When did you become a brain surgeon? Where did all your knowledge about brain injuries come from? I wouldn't exactly equate wikipedia or webmd as a fornicating doctorate degree. What haven I said here that is off key and not believable? You all seem to be writing off everything I say because English fight fans look up to Benn, and rightfully so, he was one of the best from the UK. However, you all seem to ignore what I've had to say, and dismiss it faster than it can be written. So go ahead, call me arse, at least I'm not an ignorant smeg who doesn't give other people a chance.

Walking home after severe head injuries is a ton different than knocking someone down with a brain clot in your head. Adrenaline will point you in the direction, but you have to have some wits about you to react and respond. I played american football for 12 years, 4 in college, and I've had more concussions than I care to remember. I've gotten up from hits and not known where I was, but managed to find my way back to the huddle and call the next play....didn't have a clue what the play was supposed to accomplish, and usually ended with me going the wrong direction. That is just a concussion, nothing close to a brain clot.

For cryingout loud we have been quoting medics/ surgeons opinions all through this thread.

we dismiss what you say, as we take the their opinions over you extremely justifiable he was tired and the ref did it in the cloakroom with the lead pipe theory.

really this is becoming laughable.

Mattyp151 wrote:

silkov wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:You're an ass, you know that? You're sitting there doing the same thing I am, and you're getting pissed at me for it. I've tried to listen to what you've had to say, and I've presented countering arguements, which I'm still not believing you read much of yet.

You seem to think that the only reason for blinking (ever been hit in the eye, that'll make you blink), or ever been outright exhausted (that'll make you gasp for air), is the fact he had head trauma. Yes, McClellan was getting rocked pretty well, but the fact he still had his wits about him to ask the ref to stop some of the shit that was going on, and he eventually realized the ref wasn't going to, and gave it up. Watch the fight, it's clear to see that, yes, later on in the fight, Gerald is blinking, but in the 5th, no way. It wasn't till after the swing-anda-miss by Benn, that led to the nasty headbutt (which wasn't as intentional as I claimed earlier, I apologize), that McClellan really started to feel the effects of the fight. He knocked down Benn after round 5, so obviously, McClellan wasn't that hurt. Also, notice how everything went down hill after the headbutt? If you've ever been hit directly on the head, on near your eye, by something very solid, you know that it'll make you check your eyes a bit. Look at Tarver/Jones III...Antonio popped Roy in teh 11th, and Jones was struggling to get his wits about him, just standing there and defending. People who have an internal issue with their head don't fight back. If they do, how often are they succesful enough to score a KD?

The headbutt occured, McClellan took a knee, as he was supposed to be given recovery time, the ref told him get up and fight, and that's when it all went down hill. Even if you jsut saw a fighter take a knee, slip, KD, or whatever, wouldn't you stop the fight for a second to figure out what happened? Especially when you see Benn flailing around, you'd think to check the other fighter incase something happened. Did Asaro do that? No. He failed at his job that night, especially in the first and the 9th. Gerald may not have been the best defensive technician, but he had a sturdy chin.

The only arse here is you mate, you know little about brain injuries and not much more about boxing, I have known someone to walk home after a severe accident with severe head injuries... you really havent a clue!, I could give you more pointers but to be honest can't be bothered, go away and grow up and try and stick to subjects where you know what you're talking about... which probably isn't many!...

Haha, go eat a cock, dude. When did you become a brain surgeon? Where did all your knowledge about brain injuries come from? I wouldn't exactly equate wikipedia or webmd as a fornicating doctorate degree. What haven I said here that is off key and not believable? You all seem to be writing off everything I say because English fight fans look up to Benn, and rightfully so, he was one of the best from the UK. However, you all seem to ignore what I've had to say, and dismiss it faster than it can be written. So go ahead, call me arse, at least I'm not an ignorant smeg who doesn't give other people a chance.

Walking home after severe head injuries is a ton different than knocking someone down with a brain clot in your head. Adrenaline will point you in the direction, but you have to have some wits about you to react and respond. I played american football for 12 years, 4 in college, and I've had more concussions than I care to remember. I've gotten up from hits and not known where I was, but managed to find my way back to the huddle and call the next play....didn't have a clue what the play was supposed to accomplish, and usually ended with me going the wrong direction. That is just a concussion, nothing close to a brain clot.

Your insults just show up your lack of intelligence even more... the person who I mentioned walking home with an injury did have a brain clot and had to have several operations. There are also tons of examples of fighters collapsing hours and sometimes days after fights with brain injuries, but you obviously don't know this because you are just so stupid..... perhaps you had more damage to your head than you know as you come across as severely mentally challenged mate, or perhaps you should lay off the steroids....

Who threw out the first insult you hypocritical prick. You call me unintelligent for using insults, and your last few posts have been nothing but insult laden. Seriously, next time you wanna call someone something derogatory, you may want to make sure you're not the one who started it and has been the bigger offender.

Can a mod please lock/delete before this gets even further out of hand.

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My opinion is that Benn was not a particularly dirty fighter but would do what he had to do. I certainly don't think Benn is at fault for Gerald's tragedy. The ref certainly helped Benn survive the first round but after that it seemed to me like a hard hard fight but nothing outrageous in terms of fouls.

A number of things come up about this fight. McClellan coming out for the 2nd still had the fight in his own hands. Despite what happened in the 1st with the ref McClellan should/could have finished it in the 2nd.

Gerald was on his way to a fight with Jones, and Benn was merely a stepping stone to a title so the fight would be worth more money to King (who called McClellan a dog as he lay on the floor a minute or so after the stoppage). This really was supposed to be an easy night for McClellan. A recent re-run in The Observer in UK suggested that Gerald's training once he arrived in UK was part heavy bag, part sparring, part rolled up bank notes and white powder and part glamorous young ladies.

It was a great fight and a real tragedy. McClellan was really hard puncher and a fearsome presence in the ring.

I think people needs to put personal bias aside and look at the fight objectively and give some respect to two guys, one who has been severly injured and one who probably feels extremely guilty.

As for the fight itself and the build up McClellen did say some deragatory things about Benn. Whether it was part of the hype doesn''t excuse that. After the injuries McClellen suffered Benn offered help but was told in no uncertain terms by McClellens family where to go. No blame should be laid at the door of anyone - Benn, the ref etc etc. I'm sure McClellen would say that aswell. As for the injury he sustained there are a number of factors including obvious trauma, dehydration, fluid/pressure build up in the brain and/or surrounding areas, previous injuries undetected etc. McClellen had fought only short fights, not many tough ones and maybe his lack of fitness may have also contributed. I don't think either boxer was prepared for such a brutal fight but Benn came out on top and this was probably due to better conditioning and the fact he had been in tougher and longer fights over the years. None of us are doctors but boxers know the risks and no-one is to blame for what happened.

The fouls and dirty tactics during the fight were certainly not bad and its part and parcel of boxing. I've seen alot worse. The ref may have been bad but that did not affect the result. If McClellen was good enough he would have KOed Benn eventually. He knocked Benn down again but didn't have enough to finish him off. My interpretation of the fight was that McClellen expected to win early and maybe didn't train as hard as he should have. Plus he hadn't been in any tough or long fights. He bashed Benn for 5 or 6 rounds but then started to fade and Benn came on strong. Eventually Benn was to much and McClellen lost probably due to exhaustion and the brain damge he had suffered. If you read Benn's book it gives a great insight into the fight. Benn said because of everyone saying he was going to be KOed inside a round it just made him stronger and he just wasn't going to accept defeat. He also said he felt McClellen weakened after 5/6 rounds.

To me it was a great fight that ended tragically. But Benn deserves credit for sticking in there when most would have folded. The ref may have been bad but had no influence on the final outcome IMO. It was Benn's greatest night but also his worse because he was never the same fighter again. As for McClellen it was tragic what happened to him and I wish him all the best.

Decagon, I think it should have been no more than the 10 count all told. However time and time again Ref's mak their calls and fights either get stopped early or go on in spite of the "rule" based on the refs decisions.

So I suppose you have a point, but how many times have refs been "human" and done something like this? Granted in this case it was with a profoundly catastrophic outcome. It's just a sad chapter, however if no one would have been hurt we likely would never speak of it.

Isnt the rule clear? No one gets more than the 10 count on the deck or out of the ring right? If I'm wrong someone step in and educate me because that has always been my assumption.

i watched the fight on the night and havent watched it since so its been a while.
i wanted benn to win on the night but i do remember thinking he was very lucky not to be stopped in the first.
i wish gerald and his family all the best too.

so...then the question I guess moves to...did he make it back in under the 20 second count? and if so there is no issue. If not then the referee shows further signs of notting being up to the task.

From my memory of the fight I would be in that camp, I'm not a conspiracist however that Ref did not demonstrate much in the way of competence during that fight. I don't think he was very good, I stop short to think he was corrupt.

Based on this thread I would like to watch the fight again, but the outcome was so sickening I may pass.

well done gents some great points made here, ones i agree with .

cheers for bringing some class back and reason back to the thread.

BoxBuzz wrote:
From my memory of the fight I would be in that camp, I'm not a conspiracist however that Ref did not demonstrate much in the way of competence during that fight. I don't think he was very good, I stop short to think he was corrupt.

King wanted McClellan to win. The US TV stations wanted McClellan to win. I'm pretty sure allegedly did too. I don't think the ref was corrupt becasue if he was then he was supporting the wrong side.

Ezzard wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:
From my memory of the fight I would be in that camp, I'm not a conspiracist however that Ref did not demonstrate much in the way of competence during that fight. I don't think he was very good, I stop short to think he was corrupt.

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King wanted McClellan to win. The US TV stations wanted McClellan to win. I'm pretty sure allegedly allegedly did too. I don't think the ref was corrupt becasue if he was then he was supporting the wrong side.

Or maybe the fact he isn't a good ref led to the outcome of that fight.

I have no problem with the 20 second count. It is the fact that ringside reporters pushed Nigel back into the ring, and it wasn't as if Benn got back in on his own. The ref truly did save Nigel in the first, and most people who have seen the fight would have to question would Benn have made it to round 2 had the ref not pulled McClellan away everytime he got close, and everytime he pressured Nigel...The ref fucked up that entire fight, and I believe it was only his second fight as a ref, after judging many fights before that. A very dumb selection for such a high profile fight.

Mattyp151 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:
From my memory of the fight I would be in that camp, I'm not a conspiracist however that Ref did not demonstrate much in the way of competence during that fight. I don't think he was very good, I stop short to think he was corrupt.

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King wanted McClellan to win. The US TV stations wanted McClellan to win. I'm pretty sure allegedly allegedly allegedly did too. I don't think the ref was corrupt becasue if he was then he was supporting the wrong side.

Or maybe the fact he isn't a good ref led to the outcome of that fight.

I have no problem with the 20 second count. It is the fact that ringside reporters pushed Nigel back into the ring, and it wasn't as if Benn got back in on his own. The ref truly did save Nigel in the first, and most people who have seen the fight would have to question would Benn have made it to round 2 had the ref not pulled McClellan away everytime he got close, and everytime he pressured Nigel...The ref fucked up that entire fight, and I believe it was only his second fight as a ref, after judging many fights before that. A very dumb selection for such a high profile fight.

Matty

there's no doubt Benn got some benefit in the first round but he was still there to be taken in that or the next few rounds. The ref had some impact but I don't think he messed up the whole fight. When they came out for the 2nd I know who my money was on...

Ezzard wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:

Ezzard wrote: Or maybe the fact he isn't a good ref led to the outcome of that fight.

I have no problem with the 20 second count. It is the fact that ringside reporters pushed Nigel back into the ring, and it wasn't as if Benn got back in on his own. The ref truly did save Nigel in the first, and most people who have seen the fight would have to question would Benn have made it to round 2 had the ref not pulled McClellan away everytime he got close, and everytime he pressured Nigel...The ref fucked up that entire fight, and I believe it was only his second fight as a ref, after judging many fights before that. A very dumb selection for such a high profile fight.

Matty

there's no doubt Benn got some benefit in the first round but he was still there to be taken in that or the next few rounds. The ref had some impact but I don't think he messed up the whole fight. When they came out for the 2nd I know who my money was on...

You're banking your entire theory on the fact that Benn doesn't get put down again in round one before it ends. If I remember, Benn hit the canvas with like 1:50 left in the first (I may be wrong, it's been a while), and he was in alert mode the rest of the round. After that, everytime McClellan got close to putting Benn out, the ref stopped him for no reason. The ref had a great impact because Benn probably would have not made it out of the first if McClellan didn't have a short leash on him by the Italian Ref.

Mattyp151 wrote:

Ezzard wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote: Matty

there's no doubt Benn got some benefit in the first round but he was still there to be taken in that or the next few rounds. The ref had some impact but I don't think he messed up the whole fight. When they came out for the 2nd I know who my money was on...

You're banking your entire theory on the fact that Benn doesn't get put down again in round one before it ends. If I remember, Benn hit the canvas with like 1:50 left in the first (I may be wrong, it's been a while), and he was in alert mode the rest of the round. After that, everytime McClellan got close to putting Benn out, the ref stopped him for no reason. The ref had a great impact because Benn probably would have not made it out of the first if McClellan didn't have a short leash on him by the Italian Ref.

You're right, of course, but, even so, your argument is also speculative. You're banking your entire theory on Benn not making it out of that round. Who knows... Benn might well have made it out of that round with or without the ref's help. When it comes to it Benn proved himself to be the better fighter on that night. The rest is up to us to debate.

I think the ref was French not Italian, but may well be wrong.

Ezzard wrote:

Mattyp151 wrote:

Ezzard wrote: You're banking your entire theory on the fact that Benn doesn't get put down again in round one before it ends. If I remember, Benn hit the canvas with like 1:50 left in the first (I may be wrong, it's been a while), and he was in alert mode the rest of the round. After that, everytime McClellan got close to putting Benn out, the ref stopped him for no reason. The ref had a great impact because Benn probably would have not made it out of the first if McClellan didn't have a short leash on him by the Italian Ref.

You're right, of course, but, even so, your argument is also speculative. You're banking your entire theory on Benn not making it out of that round. Who knows... Benn might well have made it out of that round with or without the ref's help. When it comes to it Benn proved himself to be the better fighter on that night. The rest is up to us to debate.

I think the ref was French not Italian, but may well be wrong.

It was Alfred or Alfredo Asaro as the ref.

Good post

I saw the G-Man at the Albert Hall, when he came over to London and wiped out a shot John Mugabi a few years before. We all knew this guy was an absolute destroyer - a truly frightening hitter. I expected him to get to Benn in one or two rounds, as did most of the press and fans over here

But with Benn........there was always that chance.......

Say what you like, but that wasn't a boxing match - it was something beyond what most of us have seen in a boxing ring. I've watched it a few times since, but can't watch it beyond the 6th round or so.

What a fight, what a night - God Bless them both.

MightyWarrior wrote:Good post

I saw the G-Man at the Albert Hall, when he came over to London and wiped out a shot John Mugabi a few years before. We all knew this guy was an absolute destroyer - a truly frightening hitter. I expected him to get to Benn in one or two rounds, as did most of the press and fans over here

But with Benn........there was always that chance.......

Say what you like, but that wasn't a boxing match - it was something beyond what most of us have seen in a boxing ring. I've watched it a few times since, but can't watch it beyond the 6th round or so.

What a fight, what a night - God Bless them both.

I was recently offered it on DVD and had to turn it down. Had no one gotten hurt, it's an all time classic...

Decagon that was such a great descriptor and analysis of the first round, do you have to stop? Carry on! I only wish fights happened this slowly in real time so that we could get such well written reports of real time fights.

Although some may say that going over this particular fight in such detail may hinge on the morbid. Still it may shed academic light on the controversy. Good to know that my well aged memory does not fail me in certain areas because that's how I remembered that round playing out.

Incompetence yes, corruption? not likely.

The referee was French by the way, and yes he wasn't too good was he.

One of the best middleweight punch ups of the 90's was McClellan v Jackson in their first fight. Two of the hardest hitting middleweights of all time? I think they might have been.

Now anyone who can take the kind of shots that McClellan took off Jackson that night.....well I think they've probably got a chin that's just too good for their own health. Which I think it what happened to Gerald. He was taking the kind of punches that should rightly leave you on the canvas, safe to fight another day.

MightyWarrior wrote:The referee was French by the way, and yes he wasn't too good was he.

One of the best middleweight punch ups of the 90's was McClellan v Jackson in their first fight. Two of the hardest hitting middleweights of all time? I think they might have been.

Now anyone who can take the kind of shots that McClellan took off Jackson that night.....well I think they've probably got a chin that's just too good for their own health. Which I think it what happened to Gerald. He was taking the kind of punches that should rightly leave you on the canvas, safe to fight another day.

Totally agree. Gerald soaked up a good shot and as a result he seemed to neglect his defence.