Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 11:32
He is rated 5 by The Ring and 6 by boxingtalk.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blimey, stand corrected, he's ranked 5th! Based on what for christ's sake!?
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Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 11:35
Because the squeaky wheel gets the grease. He's made a fool out of himself with the whole contracts being signed, and people are now interested to see him in some of those fights. So, would you put it beyond a commission to move them up their ranks for non-boxing related reasons?Freiheit wrote:He is rated 5 by The Ring and 6 by boxingtalk.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blimey, stand corrected, he's ranked 5th! Based on what for christ's sake!?
Darrin Morris....
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 11:42
Again, based on what precisely? I see nothing in his record to have him rated so high, certainly not by independent rankings, which the ring sort of are.Freiheit wrote:He is rated 5 by The Ring and 6 by boxingtalk.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blimey, stand corrected, he's ranked 5th! Based on what for christ's sake!?
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 11:58
Its the same principle as Maussa - he beat Riveria, who beat Trabant who was probably in the top 10 based on his run as EBU champion.jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blimey, stand corrected, he's ranked 5th! Based on what for christ's sake!?
The devision hasn't much depth to it and Riveria (as a result of the Trabant win) had probably acquired a top 5 ranking at the time.
Although now the devision is packed with stars it is hard to keep Collazo in the top 5, top 10 maybe but not top 5.
Baldomir, Mayweather, Judah, Spinks, Margarito, Gatti should all be ranked above him.
Collazo, Mitchell, and Urkal probably finish off the top 10.
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 12:07
not the vann/magee one again. hatton's head goes in between the ropes and vann jumps the gun. it's that straight forward and he is not protecting hatton.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:No Hatton would of been a first round KO victim though if he wasn't helped by Vann against Mageehitman_hatton1 wrote:i don't recall any 3rd KO stoppages on hatton's record.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Yea Ive seen his record, its about as good as Hattons pre-Tszyzu.and hatton's KO record was a damn sight better after 26 fights.
He had an early defeat but stopping Miguel Angel Gonzalez is something only Tsyzu did before - Delahoya and Spinks couldn't
Hes supposed to be a boxer not a ko artist so maybe he'll pull out something in a big fight and cause problems.
Collazo is 43rd on Boxrec
gonzalez has gone back a long way and everyone on here knows it. besides spinks can't punch for toffee anyway can he.
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 12:15
By all accounts Gonzalez has been shot to pieces for a long time. The fact he got two undeserved shots at fellow King promoted title holders says it all.
Strange he hasn't been mentioned as a possible Hatton opponent - he must be feeling left out!
Strange he hasn't been mentioned as a possible Hatton opponent - he must be feeling left out!
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 12:19
Hence j/k - just kidding, I think the Gonzalez win does look pretty good, you have to be top10 or top5 to beat him imo. That was 9months ago now thoughhitman_hatton1 wrote:not the vann/magee one again. hatton's head goes in between the ropes and vann jumps the gun. it's that straight forward and he is not protecting hatton.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:No Hatton would of been a first round KO victim though if he wasn't helped by Vann against Mageehitman_hatton1 wrote: i don't recall any 3rd KO stoppages on hatton's record.
He had an early defeat but stopping Miguel Angel Gonzalez is something only Tsyzu did before - Delahoya and Spinks couldn't
Hes supposed to be a boxer not a ko artist so maybe he'll pull out something in a big fight and cause problems.
Collazo is 43rd on Boxrec
gonzalez has gone back a long way and everyone on here knows it. besides spinks can't punch for toffee anyway can he.
Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 21:07
jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blue, are you telling me that in America then, Collazo is a highly regarded and well known champ, if you are, you are talking bollocks, Collazo is the definition of a paper champ, he's beaten absolutely nobody of note and was handed the opportunity for a belt due to the malarky of the sanctioning bodies.
MightyWarrior wrote:Don't be a plonker. This guy is unknown even in his own back garden.Blue wrote:
Collazo is a completely unknown paper champ only in England.
Sorry Guys, but U are letting your bias cloud your faculty of perceiving clearly. Collazo is a highly regarded and well known among the Latinos who BTW, are the largest viewing market in the Americas.
If they fight for the WBA title IN-THE-USA, HE is the MAN. Hatton’s 140 titles don’t mean a thing in the welters.
The reason Ricky is sitting on his ass while the other contenders fight each other is “HE” is the one overpricing himself. The “Big Boys” didn’t get where they are by being stupid. Posted: 22 Mar 2006, 21:15
numpty wrote:Looks like IBF are ordering him to face Rabah in May or he will lose his IBF belt, which means the WBA will go as well!
The IBF-WBA-Hatton scenario is the same as the IBF-WBA-Marquez featherweight fiasco was.Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:HE wouldn't lose the WBA if the IBF strip him.
Look what happen to Marquez! It’s hilarious how posters criticize Rabah for qualifying for the IBF title shot by beating Morua when Ricky qualified for his IBF shot by beating “No Joke”.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 07:48
Blue wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blue, are you telling me that in America then, Collazo is a highly regarded and well known champ, if you are, you are talking bollocks, Collazo is the definition of a paper champ, he's beaten absolutely nobody of note and was handed the opportunity for a belt due to the malarky of the sanctioning bodies.MightyWarrior wrote:Don't be a plonker. This guy is unknown even in his own back garden.Blue wrote:
Collazo is a completely unknown paper champ only in England.
Collazo is a highly regarded and well known among the Latinos who BTW, are the largest viewing market in the Americas.
If they fight for the WBA title IN-THE-USA, HE is the MAN. Hatton’s 140 titles don’t mean a thing in the welters.
Totally agree Blue, the trouble is in this country if they haven't heard of someone they dismiss them as a nobody. I've seen Luis fight three times and know him also and whilst I think Hatton would destory him he is entitled to ask for $1M.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 09:52
He certainly is. The more I think about the fight, the more it becomes a good fight for Hatton. Gives him a foothold at 147 and some bargaining power when it comes to other fights at the weight. With PBF, Gatti already at 147 and Cotto likely to join them in the next 12 months, I can see Ricky beating Collazo and staying at welter. Why would he want to drop down to fight Ben Rabah then go back up for Gatti?
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 10:03
For sure, move up and get paid for your fight with Collazo, fight Gatti if he beats Baldomir for a unification fight and even more money, then surely he will be ready (financially that is, wanting to make big bucks at small risk. I don't think he is going to improve technically) for go for a fight with Mayweather. Fighting Rabah for a small purse seems pointless.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 10:22
only thing about fighting collazo is that he's gonna have to fight urkal next. unless the wba agree to him fighting an immediate unification and let urkal fight for the regular wba strap.
urkal will be next unless hatton dumps the belt for a bigger fight.
urkal will be next unless hatton dumps the belt for a bigger fight.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 11:36
Oh right, that's the trouble with ONLY this country is it ? If it weren't for the fact you'd been over there when he was fighting on business, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have heard of him either. It's all well and good giving it the big one boxingchat, but HOW is it you know him, oh yes, that's right, because you work for a well known boxing promoter, despite all of your denials.boxingchat wrote:Blue wrote:jamesmcdonnell wrote:Blue, are you telling me that in America then, Collazo is a highly regarded and well known champ, if you are, you are talking bollocks, Collazo is the definition of a paper champ, he's beaten absolutely nobody of note and was handed the opportunity for a belt due to the malarky of the sanctioning bodies.MightyWarrior wrote:Don't be a plonker. This guy is unknown even in his own back garden.
Collazo is a highly regarded and well known among the Latinos who BTW, are the largest viewing market in the Americas.
If they fight for the WBA title IN-THE-USA, HE is the MAN. Hatton’s 140 titles don’t mean a thing in the welters.
Totally agree Blue, the trouble is in this country if they haven't heard of someone they dismiss them as a nobody. I've seen Luis fight three times and know him also and whilst I think Hatton would destory him he is entitled to ask for $1M.
Funny but I have heard NOTHING about Collazo from any of my American colleagues, nor have I heard his name mentioned anywhere prior to the talk of Hatton facing him.
Fact of the matter is, Collazo isn't a draw, If he were, I'd have heard a lot more about him by now. To say that Collazo is THE MAN is bollocks, let's see his million dollar payday for fighting someone other than Hatton.
It's nothing to do with weights. If Mayweather moved up to Light Middle and fought Roman Karmazin or Kassim Ouma for a vacatnt title, or even if one of them had the belt, who would be THE MAN? Mayweather, that's who.
all that aside, if Hatton wants to make a mark in America, he needs to stop quibbling about his end of the purse, and announce a fornicating opponent because everyone is getting royally bored by all this talk. If it ends up with a piss weak opponent then Hatton's rep will suffer.
Re: Collazo wants $1mil
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 13:46
Would FWs teaboy see Collazo 3times in the flesh? Could it be FW himself?boxingchat wrote:
I've seen him fight three times in the flesh and he would get murdered by Hatton imside three rounds IMO So why don't they pay the money, grab a 147 title and kiss goodbye to court orders, weight making and the like.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 14:06
It does occur to me you know, after all, when quizzed about who employed him before Boxingchat did reply 'I'm self employed.'
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
Posted: 23 Mar 2006, 15:01
Firstly, don't you mean Monkey?jamesmcdonnell wrote:It does occur to me you know, after all, when quizzed about who employed him before Boxingchat did reply 'I'm self employed.'
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
My comment being Collazo is the MAn was in the contexgt that he has the belt and Hatton wants it so thereofre by being the Champion and Hatton the challenger,is he not the MAN?
The Champion is entitled to get paid for putting his belt up isn't he. Don is hardley going to bow down and present him on a plate for Hatton is he.
My point was, regardless of Collazo's credibility, he has the belt and Hatton should pay the money and buy the title. If as many of you say, he is a paper champion, why does Hatton want him, if Hatton beats him will you call him paper champion as well?
By the way, I haven't seen him 3 times at all....it was four and therefore I am entitled to say that this is a walk in the park for Ricky and I fight I would make straight away to move away from his numerous problems at 140 lbs.
Team Hatton are making fools of themselves in the US and being far too greedy and short sighted. HBO, Foxwoods and the US promoters are becoming tired of them as they did the Hameds. I hear Foxwoods have pulled the plus and now he fights on a McBride show in Boston so to get a decent crowd for his US debut.
IMO he should scrap the whole deal and fight prime time on Sky against Witter to re-establish his interest in the UK before it is too late.
Witetr will end up as WBC champion and leave Hatton with egg on his face
if he then moves up to 147 without facing the man he claims he alway's wanted to ALLEGEDLY.
All in all, it's a shame that such a nice kid is being ruined by the greed and stupidity of his father and the cheap backroom team he has assembled none of whom have any experience whatsoever at championship level or with broadcasters.
James, when you concentrate you do some good stuff and your knowledge and foresight is fairly good. Try not to get smothered by the know-nothing fools on this website and you may yet make it as a hack. You may even succeed Fraud at BN!!!
Posted: 25 Mar 2006, 20:05
I think so toojamesmcdonnell wrote:It does occur to me you know, after all, when quizzed about who employed him before Boxingchat did reply 'I'm self employed.'
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
Posted: 26 Mar 2006, 20:22
jamesmcdonnell wrote: Funny but I have heard NOTHING about Collazo from any of my American colleagues, nor have I heard his name mentioned anywhere prior to the talk of Hatton facing him.
Fact of the matter is, Collazo isn't a draw, If he were, I'd have heard a lot more about him by now. To say that Collazo is THE MAN is bollocks, let's see his million dollar payday for fighting someone other than Hatton.
U & your American colleagues need to get out more. It makes me laugh when writers call a fighter an "unknown" because “HE” doesn’t know him.
Collazo’s been on Showtime twice & on HBO PPV which has been watched by millions. Posted: 26 Mar 2006, 21:56
Actually money works quite well in that context too, though obviously it was a typo.boxingchat wrote:Firstly, don't you mean Monkey?jamesmcdonnell wrote:It does occur to me you know, after all, when quizzed about who employed him before Boxingchat did reply 'I'm self employed.'
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
My comment being Collazo is the MAn was in the contexgt that he has the belt and Hatton wants it so thereofre by being the Champion and Hatton the challenger,is he not the MAN?
The Champion is entitled to get paid for putting his belt up isn't he. Don is hardley going to bow down and present him on a plate for Hatton is he.
My point was, regardless of Collazo's credibility, he has the belt and Hatton should pay the money and buy the title. If as many of you say, he is a paper champion, why does Hatton want him, if Hatton beats him will you call him paper champion as well?
By the way, I haven't seen him 3 times at all....it was four and therefore I am entitled to say that this is a walk in the park for Ricky and I fight I would make straight away to move away from his numerous problems at 140 lbs.
Team Hatton are making fools of themselves in the US and being far too greedy and short sighted. HBO, Foxwoods and the US promoters are becoming tired of them as they did the Hameds. I hear Foxwoods have pulled the plus and now he fights on a McBride show in Boston so to get a decent crowd for his US debut.
IMO he should scrap the whole deal and fight prime time on Sky against Witter to re-establish his interest in the UK before it is too late.
Witetr will end up as WBC champion and leave Hatton with egg on his face
if he then moves up to 147 without facing the man he claims he alway's wanted to ALLEGEDLY.
All in all, it's a shame that such a nice kid is being ruined by the greed and stupidity of his father and the cheap backroom team he has assembled none of whom have any experience whatsoever at championship level or with broadcasters.
James, when you concentrate you do some good stuff and your knowledge and foresight is fairly good. Try not to get smothered by the know-nothing fools on this website and you may yet make it as a hack. You may even succeed Fraud at BN!!!
Please, enough of the faint damning praise, I have a reputation to uphold.
I wondered why Boston was the location, that makes more sense if McShite is involved.
My knowledge is about as good as the time I can afford to devote to boxing allows, which these days is not as much as I would like. I think I try to be fair, even handed and reasonable when I do write something, giving praise where due, and criticism where earnt.
I've been critical in the past for instance of sports network for some of the fare they served up on Sky, whilst understanding that in part Sky were to blame for their insistance on title belts even of the Mickey Mouse variety.
Now I am critical of the way team Hatton are managing things.
I agree that Collazo is THE MAN in the same way that Baldomir was THE MAN, though Baldomir did at least win his belt from the guy who legitimately beat the man in Spinks.
It makes sense to pick up this belt as a bargaining chip, which it looks like Team Hatton have, though as far as I am aware, Collazo's people are still grumbling over money, and claim they haven't inked the contract yet.
Blue, as for your comment, I speak regularly with many people on the other side of the atlantic who are involved directly in the sport or write about it for a living, and not one of them rates Collazo. He may have been seen on Showtime, but that doesn't make him a draw. Being on the television does not mean you are a star as you well know. Collazo is blatantly a paper champion, and as I have yet to see any tapes of him cannot comment on his style, but his record suggests that he is a temporary belt holder, I could be proven wrong, but I can only go by his record and what others whose opinions I respect tell me.
And yes, if Hatton beats Collazo, I WILL call him a paper champion at Welterweight, but everyone at Welterweight who holds a belt right now is a paper champion, except maybe Baldomir.
If Judah beats Mayweather, and Baldomir beats Gatti, who is the REAL champ? Not an easy one to answer is it.
What if Gatti beats Baldomir, and Judah beat's Mayweather, again, hard to say isn't it.
Boxingchat, as you WELL know, having a belt does not neccesarily make you the man when it comes to negotiations. It definetly is a bargaining chip, but many fighters consider themselves the main attraction, belt or no belt, and are a nightmare to deal with.
It's interesting though that Judah was prepared to fight for peanuts relatively speaking against Cory Spinks to get a crack at the belt. Despite his many flaws as a fighter and outside the ropes, he was smart enough to take the short money, concentrate on winning the belt, and getting a crack at mayweather, which although will be for a reduced purse, still gives him a massive shot at the big time.
Posted: 26 Mar 2006, 22:17
Well, looks like I was right, Collazo's people got half what they asked for...boxingchat wrote:Firstly, don't you mean Monkey?jamesmcdonnell wrote:It does occur to me you know, after all, when quizzed about who employed him before Boxingchat did reply 'I'm self employed.'
Perhaps we've been crossing swords with the organ grinder and not the money all this time.
My comment being Collazo is the MAn was in the contexgt that he has the belt and Hatton wants it so thereofre by being the Champion and Hatton the challenger,is he not the MAN?
The Champion is entitled to get paid for putting his belt up isn't he. Don is hardley going to bow down and present him on a plate for Hatton is he.
My point was, regardless of Collazo's credibility, he has the belt and Hatton should pay the money and buy the title. If as many of you say, he is a paper champion, why does Hatton want him, if Hatton beats him will you call him paper champion as well?
By the way, I haven't seen him 3 times at all....it was four and therefore I am entitled to say that this is a walk in the park for Ricky and I fight I would make straight away to move away from his numerous problems at 140 lbs.
Team Hatton are making fools of themselves in the US and being far too greedy and short sighted. HBO, Foxwoods and the US promoters are becoming tired of them as they did the Hameds. I hear Foxwoods have pulled the plus and now he fights on a McBride show in Boston so to get a decent crowd for his US debut.
IMO he should scrap the whole deal and fight prime time on Sky against Witter to re-establish his interest in the UK before it is too late.
Witetr will end up as WBC champion and leave Hatton with egg on his face
if he then moves up to 147 without facing the man he claims he alway's wanted to ALLEGEDLY.
All in all, it's a shame that such a nice kid is being ruined by the greed and stupidity of his father and the cheap backroom team he has assembled none of whom have any experience whatsoever at championship level or with broadcasters.
James, when you concentrate you do some good stuff and your knowledge and foresight is fairly good. Try not to get smothered by the know-nothing fools on this website and you may yet make it as a hack. You may even succeed Fraud at BN!!!
McBride is fighting on the same card it would appear. I know McBride is popular in his hometown, but I don't think Hatton will exactly be on the undercard.
Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 12:59
James,
Do you really think that Collazo is only getting $500k, get real, that is the purse being shown to the commissions. Don't you think a spikey haired shadow will be receiving that sum as well for his promoters right in addition to a third of the promotion.
Come on James, give DK some credit.
Do you really think that Collazo is only getting $500k, get real, that is the purse being shown to the commissions. Don't you think a spikey haired shadow will be receiving that sum as well for his promoters right in addition to a third of the promotion.
Come on James, give DK some credit.
Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 13:04
Well, that is of course supposition, I can only go by what is released, which I know is nebulous. I know that King normally wants options, after all, he says 'that is my middle name'.
Maybe this is what has happened? I'm sure Don has asked for some sort of sweetener or other.
Maybe this is what has happened? I'm sure Don has asked for some sort of sweetener or other.
Posted: 27 Mar 2006, 13:24
James the Judah v Mayweather fight doesn't even come into the equation as far as being champ goes . Baldomir beat Judah who beat Spinks who beat Mayorga to become the undisputed champ . Linearity is always the most important thing .