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johnswan1 wrote:

numpty wrote:

JimmyJamJerusalem wrote:Cut the shit, Collazo is pants, and its a crap bill AGAIN!!

What time is Hatton actually fighting???

I would also want to know approx what time Hattons fight is kicking off as I will be fishing and will set my alarm to listen to it on the radio! It is usually about 2-2:30 on the east coast isn't it?

Yes, expect Hatton to be in the ring shortly after 2am UK time (9pm local time Boston).

Around 2.45AM UK time I guess: HBO broadcast it 9.45pm EST.

Max Molyneux wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote: Techinically though doesn't he go into the ring weighing a little over 11 stone dehydrating his body like most fighters? So really he's heavier than 147 on there.


Ricky has stated before that come fight night he weighs 154. In his interview, he said that actually coming in under weight at 147 is just as hard, as he has added 5lbs of solid muscle. He's currently 7 lbs over 147, but I guess the difference is that there's less water weight and more muscle tissue.

Where did youfind out he lifts that much?Impressive though.

Hatton's site only shows him doing weights on his legs normally.

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He's not so big that it will affect him much, he hasn't done a Shane Mosley, also depends how much flexibility work he has done.

What kind of stuff did Mosley do?

Well, that's open to speculation, but he went from a slight Wiry Lightweight to a musclebound beefcake at light middleweight. His weight gain obviously did him no favours, as for all his extra muscle strength, he hasn't KO'd anyone since Adrian Stone in 2002.

My point is that he put on way too much muscle bulk, and as a result lost his speed and flexibility. It was his workrate which got him all the KO's combined with blistering hand speed, not big muscles, but somewhere along the way Shane became convinced that it was his physical strength which would get him KO's.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Well, that's open to speculation, but he went from a slight Wiry Lightweight to a musclebound beefcake at light middleweight. His weight gain obviously did him no favours, as for all his extra muscle strength, he hasn't KO'd anyone since Adrian Stone in 2002.

hmmm sounds very similar to Mr D Chambers....

working with Balco
Huge gains in muscularity and weight
little or no gains in performance... draw your own conclusions.....

I know i have

Indeed, Chambers actually got slower, not faster as he bulked up. Not surprising, the wind resistance from hauling that enormous frame through the air must have been huge.

Maurice Green, although he looks hugely muscular, is actually surprisingly slight in build, and not that big a man.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

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He's not so big that it will affect him much, he hasn't done a Shane Mosley, also depends how much flexibility work he has done.

What kind of stuff did Mosley do?

Well, that's open to speculation, but he went from a slight Wiry Lightweight to a musclebound beefcake at light middleweight. His weight gain obviously did him no favours, as for all his extra muscle strength, he hasn't KO'd anyone since Adrian Stone in 2002.

My point is that he put on way too much muscle bulk, and as a result lost his speed and flexibility. It was his workrate which got him all the KO's combined with blistering hand speed, not big muscles, but somewhere along the way Shane became convinced that it was his physical strength which would get him KO's.

I thought he had failed a steroid test in the manner of Roy Jones - iE no action was taken.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Indeed, Chambers actually got slower, not faster as he bulked up. Not surprising, the wind resistance from hauling that enormous frame through the air must have been huge.

Maurice Green, although he looks hugely muscular, is actually surprisingly slight in build, and not that big a man.

Maurice just has big shoulders, his waist is pretty small.

E wrote:
I thought he had failed a steroid test in the manner of Roy Jones - iE no action was taken.

no he never failed, but he was a client of Balco....
beside boxers are only tested after a fight... so you can work out your cycle to show up clean on fight night ...... track athletes were doing that for years..... i hate to use him as an example (as i feel he was a huge scapegoat) but Ben Johnson went undetected for 6-7 years by timing his cycles correctly..

Steroids or no, Johnson was a hell of a runner at his peak. I'm sure plenty of other guys were juicing at the time, but none of them came close to his time.

How endemic do people think drugs are in boxing?? are we talking cycling level or just the occasional person.

josh fg wrote:How endemic do people think drugs are in boxing?? are we talking cycling level or just the occasional person.

In the UK, not too many

Seems to be more prominant in the US not supprising with Roy Jones getting a fine and having it hushed up not the most terrifying punishment, but there will always be someone to sanction these bouts.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Max Molyneux wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

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He's not so big that it will affect him much, he hasn't done a Shane Mosley, also depends how much flexibility work he has done.

What kind of stuff did Mosley do?

Well, that's open to speculation, but he went from a slight Wiry Lightweight to a musclebound beefcake at light middleweight. His weight gain obviously did him no favours, as for all his extra muscle strength, he hasn't KO'd anyone since Adrian Stone in 2002.

My point is that he put on way too much muscle bulk, and as a result lost his speed and flexibility. It was his workrate which got him all the KO's combined with blistering hand speed, not big muscles, but somewhere along the way Shane became convinced that it was his physical strength which would get him KO's.

Yeah does look beefy but he doesn't weigh a light middle when he goes into the ring like most fighters are doing though. Ripped to fornicate as well still at any weight Mosley fights in.

What are you on about, Mosley fights at light middle! Of course he weighs in at light middle. Mosley looks like someone who lifts far too many weights. I know weight training is incorporated into modern training, but he's too stacked now.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What are you on about, Mosley fights at light middle! Of course he weighs in at light middle. Mosley looks like someone who lifts far too many weights. I know weight training is incorporated into modern training, but he's too stacked now.

he does actually look less stacked since the balco thing blew up.....

jamesmcdonnell wrote:What are you on about, Mosley fights at light middle! Of course he weighs in at light middle. Mosley looks like someone who lifts far too many weights. I know weight training is incorporated into modern training, but he's too stacked now.

I mean the dehydration thing they do at weigh in's and then come in a stone heavier nearly when they step into the ring.

When he fought against DLH in their 2nd, he looked like a side of beef.

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yeh you got a point there mate (his abbs look rediculouse in the second one particularly given you need a lot of flexibility round the middle for boxing)

NO WAY!!!!! Hatton is shoulder pressing 105kg

105llb maybe, but no way is he shoulder pressing that amount. I know some pretty big body builders who would struggle to shift 105kg on the shoulder press.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Steroids or no, Johnson was a hell of a runner at his peak. I'm sure plenty of other guys were juicing at the time, but none of them came close to his time.

Although his times before the dates he admitted juicing and when he returned (before he got caught juicing for a 2nd time) were average.

He was still young in 1992 (only 30) when he ran in the Olympic juice free and his times were around the 10.2-10.3 mark.

As for Dwain Chambers slowing down when he got bigger, I think the times would indicate otherswise - although, I think he was getting too big also but hard to say if he over done it (i.e. whether he hit the optimum size/speed ratio in the pre season). He was a choker though, and I don't think would ever win a gold in a major championship.

Ben Johnson was a decent natural teenager....probably semi final material.

He clearly reacted VERY well to the juice...Not everyone reacts the same...

That is what a lot of people dont realise about taking gear....they assume that every human body is the same....

i might go on juice and make huge gains with little or no side effects... another guy, taking exactly the same thing, may make very little gains and end up getting liver problems..

interestingly this evening Justin Gatlin ran 3/100 quicker than Johnson did!!!!

MightyWarrior wrote:Pictures of the hitman in Boston yesterday, from his website. Page two shows him in training over there, and you wouldn't want to spill his pint!

http://www.rickyhitmanhatton.com/forum/ ... 23;start=0

Great pics, thanks and he does look good

Jabba The Nut wrote:NO WAY!!!!! Hatton is shoulder pressing 105kg

105llb maybe, but no way is he shoulder pressing that amount. I know some pretty big body builders who would struggle to shift 105kg on the shoulder press.

I bet that he is :P - I used to do weights in a crappy gym under where Scott Dann trains. One day Scott came down from doing an hour of boxing training (his 2nds of the day) and picked up the heaviest dumbells (40kg each) and knocked out a clean set of 12 reps on shoulder press.

I read that Kosta Tszyu used to do one rep on a really heavy weight to build up his power, so may be Ricky was doing a shoulder press with just one rep of 105Kg? I was also told that hatton was shrugging 250Kg - not sure how true this is though!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I must say, Ricky has looked in fantastic nick in the photos I've seen of his recently, looking very very strong and thickset compared to the Tszyu fight, when he looked fit, but a little drawn

We all know that lifting weights doesn't equate to much neccesarily in boxing, but he's been upping the weights he can lift. I don't know if the figures are impressive, but he's been bench pressing 120kgm, and shoulder pressing 105kg, which seems pretty good for someone weighing only 147 lbs.

he may be looking good, but he isnt fighting that well at 147...think it's a bit too high for him, just as 160 was for delahoya!!

shoutout2u wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I must say, Ricky has looked in fantastic nick in the photos I've seen of his recently, looking very very strong and thickset compared to the Tszyu fight, when he looked fit, but a little drawn

We all know that lifting weights doesn't equate to much neccesarily in boxing, but he's been upping the weights he can lift. I don't know if the figures are impressive, but he's been bench pressing 120kgm, and shoulder pressing 105kg, which seems pretty good for someone weighing only 147 lbs.

he may be looking good, but he isnt fighting that well at 147...think it's a bit too high for him, just as 160 was for delahoya!!

definitely, he's not the litle terror he was at light welter. nor does he have the skills to make up for it, an di don't think he wants to hang around in the game long enough to develop a veteran's skills ala Castillo.

funny, when i talked to hatton in aug '04, he said to me he wasn't a welter and doubted he'd ever move up