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gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:32

Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 23:28

gilgamesh wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 17:10

I KNOW RIGHT!

Liston should've been awarded the win via TKO clearly.

No genius....stop putting words in my mouth... Nobody scored a TKO.... Ali could easily have lost by DQ and Liston WASN'T legally counted out because the rule book was tossed out... At worse for Liston the fight should have continued -- but he also could easily have won by DQ because of Ali's defiant refusal to follow the rules.

According to the rules Liston wasn't legally counted out... The count is suspended if somebody defies the neutral corner rule.. Only the ignorant would believe the referee didn't have a good case for handing Ali a DQ loss.

For the ignorant see 23:00 of video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJgRU9 ... e=youtu.be

I'm telling ya. Just when I thought this guy couldn't make any more sense he absolutely CRUSHES IT with the DQ a guy for something that nobody has ever been DQ'd for EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT argument.

You're an absolute genius Kalan. I am in aww of you sir.

You're a fruit loop gilgmesh.... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks....tell me WHAT OTHER boxer EVER defied the referee to this extent on the Neutral Corner Rule???

Is it a rule that needs to be followed or NOT??? .... Can Ali just ignore the referee as he pleases so his opponent NEVER gets a count??? .... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks, tell me of another boxer who ever got away with ignoring the neutral corner rule for 10 seconds or more -- to the extent his opponent received NO count from the ref.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 01:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:32

Kalan wrote: ↑05 May 2018, 23:28

No genius....stop putting words in my mouth... Nobody scored a TKO.... Ali could easily have lost by DQ and Liston WASN'T legally counted out because the rule book was tossed out... At worse for Liston the fight should have continued -- but he also could easily have won by DQ because of Ali's defiant refusal to follow the rules.

According to the rules Liston wasn't legally counted out... The count is suspended if somebody defies the neutral corner rule.. Only the ignorant would believe the referee didn't have a good case for handing Ali a DQ loss.

For the ignorant see 23:00 of video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJgRU9 ... e=youtu.be

I'm telling ya. Just when I thought this guy couldn't make any more sense he absolutely CRUSHES IT with the DQ a guy for something that nobody has ever been DQ'd for EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT argument.

You're an absolute genius Kalan. I am in aww of you sir.

You're a fruit loop gilgmesh.... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks....tell me WHAT OTHER boxer EVER defied the referee to this extent on the Neutral Corner Rule???

Is it a rule that needs to be followed or NOT??? .... Can Ali just ignore the referee as he pleases so his opponent NEVER gets a count??? .... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks, tell me of another boxer who ever got away with ignoring the neutral corner rule for 10 seconds or more -- to the extent his opponent received NO count from the ref.

Hey right on pal. I'll do you one better. I've actually seen boxers knock people down, and then get credited with a win and get paid more money instead of getting charged with assault...I mean...what's that about right?

I'm kinda surprised that Lennox Lewis wasn't DQ'd against Oliver McCall in the rematch to be honest with you. Hitting a man that's crying? That's surely gotta be a crime right?

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 01:59

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 01:16

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 00:32

I'm telling ya. Just when I thought this guy couldn't make any more sense he absolutely CRUSHES IT with the DQ a guy for something that nobody has ever been DQ'd for EVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT argument.

You're an absolute genius Kalan. I am in aww of you sir.

You're a fruit loop gilgmesh.... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks....tell me WHAT OTHER boxer EVER defied the referee to this extent on the Neutral Corner Rule???

Is it a rule that needs to be followed or NOT??? .... Can Ali just ignore the referee as he pleases so his opponent NEVER gets a count??? .... Instead of making ignorant, sarcastic, personal remarks, tell me of another boxer who ever got away with ignoring the neutral corner rule for 10 seconds or more -- to the extent his opponent received NO count from the ref.

Hey right on pal. I'll do you one better. I've actually seen boxers knock people down, and then get credited with a win and get paid more money instead of getting charged with assault...I mean...what's that about right?

I'm kinda surprised that Lennox Lewis wasn't DQ'd against Oliver McCall in the rematch to be honest with you. Hitting a man that's crying? That's surely gotta be a crime right?

Clearly you won't answer direct questions when you're dead wrong -- and veer into silliness and evasive nonsense.

Lewis punched within the rule book didn't he??? .... If you punch a downed opponent like Roy Jones did you get DQ'd.... The neutral corner rule isn't some special rule that you can disregard at your pleasure - for as long as you like.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 02:41

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 01:59
Hey right on pal. I'll do you one better. I've actually seen boxers knock people down, and then get credited with a win and get paid more money instead of getting charged with assault...I mean...what's that about right?

I'm kinda surprised that Lennox Lewis wasn't DQ'd against Oliver McCall in the rematch to be honest with you. Hitting a man that's crying? That's surely gotta be a crime right?

Clearly you won't answer direct questions when you're dead wrong -- and veer into silliness and evasive nonsense.

Lewis punched within the rule book didn't he??? .... If you punch a downed opponent like Roy Jones did you get DQ'd.... The neutral corner rule isn't some special rule that you can disregard at your pleasure - for as long as you like.

Neutral corners? Who came up with that anyway The swiss? I think the 2 unused corners should be the Green and Yellow corner, and we should have armed guards stationed at them to make sure that things don't get too carried away in there.

You've really opened my eyes with this neutral corner rule stuff. I don't know what we'd do without you Kalan.

More silliness and evasion.... If there's an important rule and everybody is familiar with it... Should it be enforced? You don’t seem to think it should be in Ali's case because he's the great Ali who’s above the rules.

The neutral corner rule came into play in Joshua-Klitschko when the referee paused the count in 2 of Joshua's 3 knockdowns (the first and last) because of the neutral corner rule... You can't be charging through the referee as Ali did against Bonavena when The diminutive referee allowed Ali to walk right through him and hack his arm away as he tried to hold Ali back when he was supposed to be in a neutral corner.

I’ve never seen any other boxer get away with that type of conduct.

Ping pong anyone????

Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46 Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:49

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46 Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

It can be proven easily. Just watch it.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:49

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46 Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

It can be proven easily. Just watch it.

LMFAO! sure.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46 Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

I only see 1 Ali vs Liston thread. What are you seeing?

You're right enough there is only one. It's just all the other heavyweight threads have ended up with identical conclusions!

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:17 You're right enough there is only one. It's just all the other heavyweight threads have ended up with identical conclusions!

The great thread Hijack starring we all know who!

It's a shame because this used to be an amazing forum (previously called Boxers of the Past?) which was full of really knowledgeable posters who had some brilliant debates. I used to be in awe of the knowledge of some of those guys.

I assume they are still around but just not as motivated to post much these days.

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:23 It's a shame because this used to be an amazing forum (previously called Boxers of the Past?) which was full of really knowledgeable posters who had some brilliant debates. I used to be in awe of the knowledge of some of those guys.

I assume they are still around but just not as motivated to post much these days.

That is a shame. We need to do more ignoring and less repeating.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:49

ewenhay wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:46 Maybe it might be a good idea to merge all the identical Liston v Ali threads?

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

It can be proven easily. Just watch it.

Spoken by a closed minded individual. You mean watch it with blinders on seeing only what YOU want to see.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:49

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

It can be proven easily. Just watch it.

Spoken by a closed minded individual. You mean watch it with blinders on seeing only what YOU want to see.

It was a f'd up situation. Agree?

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:21

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 11:12

oogiebe wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 10:49

I just posted on one of the others. LMAO!! Can't believe the amount of arguing going on about something that can neither be proved nor disproved at this time.

It can be proven easily. Just watch it.

Spoken by a closed minded individual. You mean watch it with blinders on seeing only what YOU want to see.

Hey I hear ya pal. You ever try staring at the sun without sunglasses? Something tells me you have. That can be a real eye opening experience, and will tell you a lot about the mysteries of the universe. You should try it...like right now go try it.

When you do that it'll all make sense to you. Everything you don't understand, and even stuff that you THOUGHT you understood, but found out you didn't.

You go stare at the sun dingleberry.... That's seems to be what you've been doing since the can't see exactly when an why Muhammad Ali has to follow the neutral corner rule.... You're blind because you refuse to see what's in front of you.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:37 You go stare at the sun dingleberry.... That's seems to be what you've been doing since the can't see exactly when an why Muhammad Ali has to follow the neutral corner rule.... You're blind because you refuse to see what's in front of you.

My peripheral vision is absolutely amazing though!

In that case you'd be able to see neutral corners... so I doubt it.

Here is another truth that really says is all here:

Ludmilla: Ivan is naturally trained.

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:41 In that case you'd be able to see neutral corners... so I doubt it.

What ARE Neutral corners anyway? I mean when you think about it...somebody put up the ring right? So somebody probably owns it. So I mean...can anybody just take those corners at the end of the fights, and put 'em up in their house? I doubt it...so they're not really all that natural are they? They're kinda owned by somebody.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:46

Kalan wrote: ↑06 May 2018, 12:41 In that case you'd be able to see neutral corners... so I doubt it.

What ARE Neutral corners anyway? I mean when you think about it...somebody put up the ring right? So somebody probably owns it. So I mean...can anybody just take those corners at the end of the fights, and put 'em up in their house? I doubt it...so they're not really all that natural are they? They're kinda owned by somebody.

So Gil, what you're saying is this.

Despite the ruling on neutral corners, you are saying they aren't really neutral because not just anyone can come and break them down and take them away. Only the true owners. Hmmm...so when sent to a neutral corner, it's the corner from knowhere. (purposefully spelled wrong).

It's a round about way to question the neutral corner rule... which wasn't made to hurt the boxers... It's there for fairness.

Which means you can't stand over the floored boxer as he gets up.... You can't or move close to or get behind the floored boxer as he gets up.... and you can't stand in your own corner getting instructions... It's been the rule for 90 plus years and most good boxers are extremely attuned to it ... because it can cost you if you're not.