Right, how anyone can say that PBF is the real champion just coz he struggled against a beaten Judah is beyond me. Baldomir is the true champion and Collazo is more legit than Judah was.nickd wrote:How on earth is Mayweather the real champion at welter? His belt was won from a guy who lost it in his previous fight and was handed it back.silkov wrote: To put Hatton in the p4p list is just nonsense... he has the most padded record of any 'world champion' out there. The fact is that Hatton is very much a media creation, a good fighter yes, but he has stood still for so long fighting lightweights and 40 yearolds and not developing his skills and now that he has stepped up in class slightly this is catching up with him. He struggled with Maussa... basically a journeyman with a good punch... and now he has been all but beaten by Collazo who is despite what Hattonites may say is really a mediocre welterweight with average punching power.
And lets get this straight also, Hatton is not the world welterweight champion... he fought for a paper crown made for TV... the real champion is Mayweather... who would treat Hatton much like he treated Gatti if they ever fight... which I strongly doubt now...
Baldomir is the real champion he beat the undisputed champion.
Is Hatton a Bully?...
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jamesmcdonnell
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My mistake!nickd wrote:How on earth is Mayweather the real champion at welter? His belt was won from a guy who lost it in his previous fight and was handed it back.silkov wrote:To put Hatton in the p4p list is just nonsense... he has the most padded record of any 'world champion' out there. The fact is that Hatton is very much a media creation, a good fighter yes, but he has stood still for so long fighting lightweights and 40 yearolds and not developing his skills and now that he has stepped up in class slightly this is catching up with him. He struggled with Maussa... basically a journeyman with a good punch... and now he has been all but beaten by Collazo who is despite what Hattonites may say is really a mediocre welterweight with average punching power.DG. wrote:
Problem with Hatton is he has only really had 2 fights ( 3 now) KT - Magee and Collazo.
Hatton feasts on too many lightweights and for a good ereason - he NEEDS the size advantage!#
Cotto is a bully also,imo.. Too many Lightweights!
Hatton was shown up in this fight - Collazo is GOOD but nowehere near the best..
I think they( whoever they are) drops him from the p4p list.
Rematch Collazo - if he doesn't then that tells me a lot obout Hatton -HBO Should demand it!
Or Mayweather Or Margarito even Judah!.. I think he should fight Judah!
Hatton should stay at LightWelter.
Hatton neds to fight genuine Welters all the way if he stays at Welter!
He is used to fightng too many lightweights!.
I was surprised to hear him say Collazo was heavy handed!
WTF is Margarito then!... THOR???
And lets get this straight also, Hatton is not the world welterweight champion... he fought for a paper crown made for TV... the real champion is Mayweather... who would treat Hatton much like he treated Gatti if they ever fight... which I strongly doubt now...
Baldomir is the real champion he beat the undisputed champion.
but can you blame me?... theres so many 'world champions' now that its quite easy to get in a bloody muddle. Baldomir is indeed the 'real' champion at 147... though it seems that he is getting well and trully frozen out of the picture...I think Ricky would find Baldomir too strong... Margarito would ko Ricky and Mayweather and Judah would box his head off...
Again, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Tszyu.silkov wrote:You can't say that Kostya was in his prime still at 35 and with just 3 fights in 4 years... Hattons youth was always going to be a factor... its just silly to try and say it wasnt a factor. That said it was still a good win, which makes it all the more disapointing that Hattons career has since taken the route that it has... giving away titles, faffing about in courts, and struggling with fighters he really shouldnt be having trouble with if he is as good as he's supposed to be...Coconut wrote:Because when Tszyu was 30 he was what? A recent Vince Phillips victim? Oooooh.silkov wrote:
Read my posts, I never said Kostya would murder Hatton... I thought Kostya would win but I also said that it depended on how much he had left. I also gave Hatton credit for beating Kostya though it is a plain fact that Kostya was 'old' as fighters go and in the sort of fight they had this was the difference... Kostya was 35+ fact!. Had Ricky fought a 30 yearold Kostya things would have been different.
The simple fact is that Ricky has been exposed by Maussa and Collazo... he is a good world class fighter at 140 but not the outstanding p4p fighting machine that the likes of you would have everyone believe...
Tszyu came in to the Hatton fight having panned the shit out of Sharmba Mitchell 6 months previous. He wasn't 'old' or 'shot' before Hatton, he just had the snot beat out of him.
No complaints in that a fair portion of Hatton's earlier career were not as good as folk would have wanted, but Tszyu's not there to be rubbished.
Surely 3 fights in 4 years means he's not putting miles on the clock. Plus he'd proven 6 months earlier that he was more than capable of demolishing the man many saw as the division's second best. The guy trains hard and lives clean. On top of which you've got examples like Bernard Hopkins tonking folk around way past 35.
Age could have been a factor, but if it was it was a small one and it was certainly not as much of a factor as the stumpy Mancunian in the silly shorts.
You can't call a 7 year plus age gap a minor contributory factor... Hatton was at his peak while Tszyu was past his... much of Tszyu's inactivity was caused by injuries... the sort of injuries that fighters start picking up in their 30s when their bodies start breaking down due to age and ringwear... I'm not trying to take all credit away from Hatton but he fought Tszyu at the right time without a doubt...Coconut wrote:Again, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Tszyu.silkov wrote:You can't say that Kostya was in his prime still at 35 and with just 3 fights in 4 years... Hattons youth was always going to be a factor... its just silly to try and say it wasnt a factor. That said it was still a good win, which makes it all the more disapointing that Hattons career has since taken the route that it has... giving away titles, faffing about in courts, and struggling with fighters he really shouldnt be having trouble with if he is as good as he's supposed to be...Coconut wrote: Because when Tszyu was 30 he was what? A recent Vince Phillips victim? Oooooh.
Tszyu came in to the Hatton fight having panned the shit out of Sharmba Mitchell 6 months previous. He wasn't 'old' or 'shot' before Hatton, he just had the snot beat out of him.
No complaints in that a fair portion of Hatton's earlier career were not as good as folk would have wanted, but Tszyu's not there to be rubbished.
Surely 3 fights in 4 years means he's not putting miles on the clock. Plus he'd proven 6 months earlier that he was more than capable of demolishing the man many saw as the division's second best. The guy trains hard and lives clean. On top of which you've got examples like Bernard Hopkins tonking folk around way past 35.
Age could have been a factor, but if it was it was a small one and it was certainly not as much of a factor as the stumpy Mancunian in the silly shorts.
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jamesmcdonnell
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It was very much comparable with Mcguigan's win over Pedroza. Hall of fame calibre champ coming into the home stretch of a long career, cashing out with a massive payday.
Although it must be said that Tszyu was still knocking them over and out (Judah, Mitchell), Mitchell himself was pretty well shopworn, having had a very busy career, and injuries himself.
Hatton got Tszyu at the right time for sure, but he wasn't fighting a shot fighter, merely one who wasn't quite at his formidable peak.
Although it must be said that Tszyu was still knocking them over and out (Judah, Mitchell), Mitchell himself was pretty well shopworn, having had a very busy career, and injuries himself.
Hatton got Tszyu at the right time for sure, but he wasn't fighting a shot fighter, merely one who wasn't quite at his formidable peak.
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DG.
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Twinkle Toes wrote:A bully doesnt fight back when things aren't going his way - You want definition of a bully, then look at Mike Tyson.
One thing that is fact, both Silkov and DG stated many times that Hatton would get murdered by Tzsyu - The reality as we know turned out totally different - You guys ended up with egg on ye faces.
Its no good acting the smart arse after the event i.e calling Tszyu an old man.
You lamers :)
Still a bully!