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Posted: **18 May 2006, 12:19**

i think tyson ruined thomas. thats why thomas didnt fight for 2 years and was never the same again.

i think thomas was near his prime when he fought iron mike. i did not notice many signs of decline.

too bad a holmes-thomas fight never happened around 1983-84. some say holmes ducked thomas after what thomas did to spoon

Posted: **18 May 2006, 12:31**

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:i think tyson ruined thomas. thats why thomas didnt fight for 2 years and was never the same again.

i think thomas was near his prime when he fought iron mike. i did not notice many signs of decline.

too bad a holmes-thomas fight never happened around 1983-84. some say holmes ducked thomas after what thomas did to spoon

Sorry to sound hostile, but how old were you when Tyson fought Thomas? You’re statement is simply baseless. Tyson ruined Thomas? Just watch Pinky’s fight against Berbick. He looked horrible in that fight and never looked very good again in ANY fight. A more credible comment would be that Mike Weaver ruined Thomas since that was the last fight in which he performed at a world class level.

I don’t think you are being very objective here. Thomas had a rough life and had a very short “peak”. And unlike Tyson, he had a valid past to justify his career fading quickly. There is absolutely nothing to support the theory that Thomas was at or near his peak when he fought Tyson. All the facts point to the exact opposite. Unless you think that Thomas was at his fighting best against Berbick?

Posted: **19 May 2006, 04:26**

barry wrote:I didn't assume that you did John L...I was only presenting my opinion.

As to late round knockouts...I'm sure Tyson could have scored some late round knockouts if the chance had ever presented itself on a regular basis, but it didn't...Tyson always knocked his opponents out in rather quick fashion, but prior to 1991 those bouts that Tyson was forced to last into later rounds, well other than the Douglas bout, I cannot really recall a bout where Tyson was struggling to hold on because of stamina...nor do I recall any instances where Tyson was ever in any trouble because of stamina earlier in his career, other than with Douglas, but the same cannot be said of Shavers. Shavers was often in trouble if he did not get his opponent out within five, or six rounds...and it did not matter if it was against a Muhammad Ali, or against a Ron Stander…when Shavers ran out of gas a bout could go either way, though nearly 99% of the time it was in Shavers favor, which was part of what made him fun to watch.

Tyson and Shavers may have had similar stamina issues, but I do not recall seeing it in Tyson's prime as compared to Shavers prime. Tyson was not running on fumes at the end of his bouts with Tillis, Smith, Green, Tucker or even Ruddock. He was not fresh at the end, but stamina certainly was not an issue in those fights, or any other fights of that time in his career, of course with the exception of the Douglas bout. Stamina has never really been an issue for Tyson until after the Holyfield bouts and then he just simply quit training. Shavers was more like Tommy Morrison stamina-wise, though I feel that Shavers did have better stamina than Morrison, who had the worst stamina that I can remember a ranked heavyweight having, but pre-1991 Tyson...I just don't see it!

Tyson maybe had average or slightly below average stamina in his best years but that was mainly due to the way he put so much into those first few rounds. I don't think this is a massive probloem for him. It's more the mental stamina side of things. His concentration did lapse as his fights went on.

Posted: **19 May 2006, 13:32**

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Tyson looked devastating against lower level fighters and faded fighters like Thomas

how waws thomas faded? he was 28 years old and a top contender who just a couple years back had been champion. thomas was certainly near his prime

I remember the Berbick fight and being pretty concerned that Thomas was dividing his attention a bit much. He was training fighters, pursuing a singing career AND trying to be champ. I remember thinking "where is this guy's focus?" and was not surprised that Berbick beat him.

Posted: **19 May 2006, 13:59**

Decagon wrote:Thomas was nowhere near his prime against Tyson.

Didn't Thomas dislocate his shoulder a few weeks before the Tyson fight?

Posted: **20 May 2006, 07:03**

Decagon wrote:
From Ringsidereport.com
"Before our fight, I was working with 'Scrap Iron' Johnson and during sparring I exchanged right hands with my sparring partner and my right shoulder popped. I went to a chiropractor and they didn't do much there for me. A few weeks before the fight, Angelo Dundee my trainer, told me not to take the fight, but I figured I could beat him with my jab which was pretty good. But, I found out in the fight, I could not stick and move which caused me to get caught and that was the end of the fight."

Posted: **24 May 2006, 18:59**

Heck. Rocky was such a little guy with those tiny arms. Jimmy Ellis or Joe Bugner could've knocked him out. He was lucky he came along when Charles and Walcott were finished and Moore, although a good light-heavy, was getting past his best. There was nothing else. Why else did he fight Charles and Walcott twice and beat the crap out of chubby Don Cockell? If he'd been born ten years sooner, Joe Louis would've made hash of him. Ten years later Liston would've walked right through him.

Posted: **24 May 2006, 22:26**

Foreman,Tyson,Liston and Frazier knock Marciano out easily. Foreman and Tyson do it in the first round.

Posted: **25 May 2006, 19:32**

Cap wrote:Heck. Rocky was such a little guy with those tiny arms. Jimmy Ellis or Joe Bugner could've knocked him out. He was lucky he came along when Charles and Walcott were finished and Moore, although a good light-heavy, was getting past his best. There was nothing else. Why else did he fight Charles and Walcott twice and beat the crap out of chubby Don Cockell? If he'd been born ten years sooner, Joe Louis would've made hash of him. Ten years later Liston would've walked right through him.

that is probably the most ignorant and bias statement i have ever seen someone make.

Posted: **25 May 2006, 19:49**

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
Cap wrote:Heck. Rocky was such a little guy with those tiny arms. Jimmy Ellis or Joe Bugner could've knocked him out. He was lucky he came along when Charles and Walcott were finished and Moore, although a good light-heavy, was getting past his best. There was nothing else. Why else did he fight Charles and Walcott twice and beat the crap out of chubby Don Cockell? If he'd been born ten years sooner, Joe Louis would've made hash of him. Ten years later Liston would've walked right through him.
that is probably the most ignorant and bias statement i have ever seen someone make.

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:05**

theone wrote:Foreman,Tyson,Liston and Frazier knock Marciano out easily. Foreman and Tyson do it in the first round.

easily?? u dont knock out a marciano easily.

i highly doubt foreman and tyson do it in 1 round when far less durable fighters lasted more than 1 round vs foreman and tyson

marciano would knockout frazier IMO

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:07**

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
theone wrote:Foreman,Tyson,Liston and Frazier knock Marciano out easily. Foreman and Tyson do it in the first round.
easily?? u dont knock out a marciano easily.

i highly doubt foreman and tyson do it in 1 round when far less durable fighters lasted more than 1 round vs foreman and tyson

marciano would knockout frazier IMO

This is how Blockbuster got all his posts - defending Marciano against claims of unworthiness....

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:24**

can foreman and tyson knockout marciano? yes

would foreman and tyson knockout marciano? probably

can foreman and tyson knockout marciano easily? HELL NO

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:44**

can foreman and tyson knockout marciano? yes

would foreman and tyson knockout marciano? probably

can foreman and tyson knockout marciano easily? HELL NO

Hell yes on all three.

By the way, great hearing from ya again Brockton, its been a little while.

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:45**

theone wrote:
can foreman and tyson knockout marciano? yes

would foreman and tyson knockout marciano? probably

can foreman and tyson knockout marciano easily? HELL NO
Hell yes on all three.

By the way, great hearing from ya again Brockton, its been a little while.

marciano had amazing heart and awesome chin, great recup powers, how are they gonna knock out marciano EASILY?

nice to hear from ya too!

Posted: **25 May 2006, 20:46**

i highly doubt foreman and tyson do it in 1 round when far less durable fighters lasted more than 1 round vs foreman and tyson

Most of those fighters were trying their best to survive the first round. The way the Rock fights Tyson and Foreman wouldnt have to try to hard to land on him. Marciano would serve them his own head on a platter so to speak.

Posted: **26 May 2006, 10:28**

WOW..my thread is still alive....

Posted: **26 May 2006, 11:56**

Yep, any time there is a Marciano thread , you can count on it having legs.

Posted: **26 May 2006, 12:06**

expug wrote:Yep, any time there is a Marciano thread , you can count on it having legs.

Brockton Blockbuster won't let it die before everyone hasn't admitted that gray-haired 40-year olds Walcott and Moore, has-been Ezzard Charles, has-has-has-been-been-been Joe Louis and win-some-lose-even-more La Starza were really the strongest opposition any heavyweight champ has ever faced.

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