Lewis - Holyfield II

Robinson · Post by **Robinson** » 24 Apr 2007, 22:43

I have not watched this fight in full for some time, but I did score it when I watched it once.
I went through a period where I would watch a heap of fights and score them.

I had this one 115-113 Holyfield. Having said that I did this back in 2000. So I would like to re-watch it as I am a tad wiser now.

Kym

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 25 Apr 2007, 00:38

you got it lewis by 2, only becouse you gave that couple of rounds to Lewis...BUT those rounds were even.

HOLYFIELD - LEWIS II VIDEO

I have the fight on dvd, have seen it many times. One of the more debateable rounds is round 3, which many score as even or to Holyfield for his late flurry (which had Lewis on the back foot, but not hurt). Personally I think the work Lewis did for the first 2:30 of the round is more important, and I definitely score the 3rd to Lewis. I haven't seen the fight for about a year now, perhaps time to watch it and score it again, because I can't remember a lot of the later rounds.

iron maiden · Post by **iron maiden** » 25 Apr 2007, 07:43

"One of the more debateable rounds is round 3,"

....debateable rounds...

11 round.

Holy was better in the first two minutes. lewis was good in the last minute. most of the people gave that orund to Lewis. It's wrong... the round was even.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 25 Apr 2007, 09:58

jezzamundo wrote:
you got it lewis by 2, only becouse you gave that couple of rounds to Lewis...BUT those rounds were even.

HOLYFIELD - LEWIS II VIDEO
I have the fight on dvd, have seen it many times. One of the more debateable rounds is round 3, which many score as even or to Holyfield for his late flurry (which had Lewis on the back foot, but not hurt). Personally I think the work Lewis did for the first 2:30 of the round is more important, and I definitely score the 3rd to Lewis. I haven't seen the fight for about a year now, perhaps time to watch it and score it again, because I can't remember a lot of the later rounds.

I score it even. While Evander's flurry in the last 20 seconds is surely not enought to give him the round, Lewis for the first 2 min and 30 seconds really landed nothing of consequence and it had been a very uneventful round. If you choose to play if safe and only land a few tapping jabs to outbox your opponent the first 2 minutes, I see it as giving your opportunity to steal the round if he comes in and lands a big punch, as Evander did. I don't think Lennox was hurt but he was definetely stunned.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 26 Apr 2007, 09:25

"One of the more debateable rounds is round 3,"

....debateable rounds...

11 round.

Holy was better in the first two minutes. lewis was good in the last minute. most of the people gave that orund to Lewis. It's wrong... the round was even.

I can't remember round 11. This thread is so old! I think I will rewatch the fight over the weekend, score it again, and repost any new findings! Pity it wasn't a better fight though, frankly I'd rather watch Tyson-Douglas or some of my old dvd's from the 60s, 70s and early 80s.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 29 Apr 2007, 05:08

I just watched the fight again, and it is certainly a close one, possibly a little closer than I remembered. So many rounds are so hard to score, this time I had a lot of even rounds.

Rnd 1 - Even
Rnd 2 - Lewis 20-19
Rnd 3 - Lewis 30-28
Rnd 4 - Lewis 40-37
Rnd 5 - Even 50-47
Rnd 6 - Holyfield (Lewis leads 59-57)
Rnd 7 - Holyfield (Lewis leads 68-67)
Rnd 8 - Even (Lewis leads 78-77)
Rnd 9 - Even (Lewis leads 88-87)
Rnd 10 - Lewis 98-96
Rnd 11 - Lewis 108-105
Rnd 12 - Holyfield (Lewis wins fight 117-115)

In my opinion Lewis wins rounds 2,4,10 and 11 clearly.
Holyfield wins rounds 6,7 and 12 clearly.
Round 3 is quite close but I favour Lewis's early work over Holy's late flurry.
Rounds 1, 5, 8 and 9 are all very close and could be given to either fighter.

I take back my previous remark about the fight being a close but clear win to Lewis. It was definitely close, but not clear. I think the right decision was made, but the scores of 116-112 is very generous to Lewis and 117-111 is a joke. In hindsight, the scoring is just as bad as that in the first Lewis fight, one judge got it right, one got it wrong, and one got it horribly wrong.

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 29 Apr 2007, 05:19

I thought on first inspection of the fight, Lewis edged it, but having watched it without commentary, I feel that Holyfield may have just nicked it, but probably not convincingly enough to catch the eye so to speak.

The sentiment was all with Lewis (even from the Yanks

), due to the farcical scoring of the 1st fight & the injustice heaped upon him.

In light of this, Holyfield would have to have done something special to get the verdict that night.

meade95 · Post by **meade95** » 29 Apr 2007, 19:50

The first time I watched the fight (live, the night of) I had Holy winning a close fight -

Like many of you I have recently went back and rewatched it - (along with several other older fights this past weekend).

My score card reads....

Rnd 1 - Even
Rnd 2 - Lewis
Rnd 3 - Holy
Rnd 4 - Lewis
Rnd 5 - Even
Rnd 6 - Holy
Rnd 7 - Holy
Rnd 8 - Holy
Rnd 9 - Holy
Rnd 10 - Lewis
Rnd 11 - Lewis (but very close)
Rnd 12 - Holy

Holy 116-114

IMO - It is clear the older post-prime Holyfield is the one bringing the fight most of the night. He lands the better shots (cleaner power shots) in the majority of exchanges - Lennox lands his jab well and holds / grabs smartly....Lands some good right hands as well (obviously).

But Holy's pressure (albeit, not the type of pressure he could apply in his prime days)....but he still dictates the pace of the fight for the most part. In a number of those close rounds that should have given him the edge...

Of the two Lennox is the one rocked on more occassions and the one looking to hold instead of exchanging more often then not....

The judges in this fight were just as foolish as those in the first fight. The scores of 116-112, 117-111 are flout out ridiculous!!

The night I watched it I thought Holyfield did enough to win .....Rewatched and have Holy up 116-114...

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 30 Apr 2007, 08:16

The first time I watched the fight (live, the night of) I had Holy winning a close fight -

Like many of you I have recently went back and rewatched it - (along with several other older fights this past weekend).

My score card reads....

Rnd 1 - Even
Rnd 2 - Lewis
Rnd 3 - Holy
Rnd 4 - Lewis
Rnd 5 - Even
Rnd 6 - Holy
Rnd 7 - Holy
Rnd 8 - Holy
Rnd 9 - Holy
Rnd 10 - Lewis
Rnd 11 - Lewis (but very close)
Rnd 12 - Holy

Holy 116-114

Looks as though I somewhat agree with you on every round except the 3rd. Personally I think Holyfield is far closer to winning the 1st and 5th than he is to winning the 3rd, which I have always given to Lewis. Apart from that I have no objections to your scoring. I give it to Lewis by 2, but some of the rounds I score even could go either way.

dempseyfire · Post by **dempseyfire** » 30 Apr 2007, 13:27

jezzamundo wrote:
The first time I watched the fight (live, the night of) I had Holy winning a close fight -

Like many of you I have recently went back and rewatched it - (along with several other older fights this past weekend).

My score card reads....

Rnd 1 - Even
Rnd 2 - Lewis
Rnd 3 - Holy
Rnd 4 - Lewis
Rnd 5 - Even
Rnd 6 - Holy
Rnd 7 - Holy
Rnd 8 - Holy
Rnd 9 - Holy
Rnd 10 - Lewis
Rnd 11 - Lewis (but very close)
Rnd 12 - Holy

Holy 116-114
Looks as though I somewhat agree with you on every round except the 3rd. Personally I think Holyfield is far closer to winning the 1st and 5th than he is to winning the 3rd, which I have always given to Lewis. Apart from that I have no objections to your scoring. I give it to Lewis by 2, but some of the rounds I score even could go either way.

We have similar scores Jezz, I just shade some rds closer to Evander

Rd 1- Holyfield by a pinch-he dictated the pace

Rd 2-Clear for Lewis

Rd 3- Even

Rd 4- Close but to Lewis

Rd 5- Close but to Holyfield. Those punches Lampley screams about after Lewis got cut never landed, and the only meaningful punches of the rd were landed by Holyfield

Rd 6- Holyfield

Rd 7- Holyfield

Rd 8-Close but I think clear Lewis round

Rd 9-Lewis stuns Evander with the uppercut but overall Evander lands more- Holyfield

Rd 10-Lewis

Rd 11-Lewis

Rd 12- Holyfield

6-5-1 for Holyfield

iron maiden · Post by **iron maiden** » 03 May 2007, 16:23

The Fighters who Knocked Down Evander Holyfield....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yetLvvdShU4

Lewis has only been floored....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zIUgH1RD8iI

Lennox Lewis interview after being ko`d....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vkgWbhdhFHs