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Terence wrote: This is boxing, not lawn green bowling. The reason people are saying it should have been stopped is because a great KO punch was landed and we have the benefit of hindsight.

Terence wrote:Silkov, Castillo-Corrales I does apply. Ten rounds of tough action that saw both men put a lot into the fight. Corrales got up with clear eyes yet he had gone down heavily and he looked leggy only to be dumped again. Yet look what happened.

Or in another case how badly was Julian Jackson being beaten-up, including an eye injury, versus Bomber, plus John David Jackson beating up Castro quite badly. I am sure we could come up with more if we throw in cuts, how many times did Basillo win fights in which he was badly cut. Razor Ruddock got stopped for having his head pushed back and looking tired.

Closer to home Darren Stubbs looked absolutely spent earlier this year against Amer Khan, he lost steam on his shots (according to Moore, who should know, Macklin had steam on his shots even in the tenth) and was being beaten up only to catch Amer late and put Amer in a position where he sudddenly looked tired and gone. Amer was brought out for another round, weathered the storm and saw out a win. At points both men had seemed spent.

At times Macklin looked spoent and Oliver did say he had shot his bolt yet he again came back in the tenth to throw meaningful shots aftere taking part in a thrilling ninth round. People around me were saying Macklin looked tired but not one voice asked for the fight to be stopped, until it had been stopped.

This is boxing, not lawn green bowling. The reason people are saying it should have been stopped is because a great KO punch was landed and we have the benefit of hindsight.

Terence wrote: You sound like a melodramatic woman. Macklin was throwing shots in the tenth and punctuated every claim that he was tired with hard shots. What I saw was a good two-way battle with a KO finish that has been blown out of proportion because one fighter went for precautionary testing.

We could stop the fights when we suspect a KO blow may be landed (and cause chaos) but that one was a bolt from the blue.

Matthew got stopped at the right moment, end of story.

Fighters running on empty do not take part in rounds like the ninth.

Terence wrote:Warrior, I would rather be seen as that than a humourless tart

Get a grip on yourselves. Or better yet face up to the stark truth. Boxing involves KO's. If Matt would have been withdrawn people would be crying about the lack of a definitive end, probably the same people who cry to this day about the fact Vitali K was stopped prematurely even though half his face was hanging off. Corrales went down heavily and had sagged at various points in his fight with Castillo, if Mightwarrior would have been in his corner Corrales would have lost by corner-man-weeping-on-the-ring-apron DQ.

You also do not pull out a guy who has just put his own stint into an amazing round. Also factor in the ringside perception that Macklin was ahead on points in the eyes of some so he certainly could have been seen to be winning the fight by his corner team. Moore was blocking a lot of shots yet he was also taking a lot of body shots and he did look pretty rough himself at the end of the ninth. You could see the KO coming but that has been the case in many fights, are cornermen now expected to halt a fight because they suspect their guy could get KO'd? Why not refuse to sign a fight contract on that basis?

Macklin looked tired a number of times, he also landed some big shots in the ninth round and Moore said he was hurt throughout the fight plus Moore sagged a little after the ninth round. That is why he was encouraged by his corner who told him Matt had shot his bolt. Despite this Matt came out in the very next round and threw some decent punches. He looked tired in patches then would land some well-balanced shots. So we are stopping fights nowadays because one man looked tired?

Face it, a lot of the problem lies with the fact that the fight was given a definitive KO ending that made too many people feel uncomfortable with the finish and looking for scapegoats in retrospect. A lot of these same people post on a forum in which Audley Harrison is regularly called a coward for not putting it all on the line and providing excitement. Well guys at some point you have to accept that purely exciting, not controversial, fights end in often brutal KO's. You also have to accept that people ask for exciting fights, technically or not you still want closure and you got it on Friday. Matt went down hard and he went down heavy, he was tired but Jamie also brought his 1-2 into the fight at the right moment and unloaded a peach of a shot to KO his opponent.

Respect to those who screamed 'stop the fight' from the fifth round. Greater respect for those who said 'I could watch this all night long' after the ninth, as I am sure many did before backtracking when Matt went down.

Incidently the KO of Michael Medor was more worrying as he got caught was stopped only to collapse in the ring after the fight had been waved off. Matt was clearly dehydrated and wiped-out after a tough fight, a fight that the fans will remember and part of the remembrance will be the KO finish. Accept it is part of boxing or maybe watch female synchronised swimming.

THEBUTCH wrote:What an amazing fight. A real epic.

Matthew Macklin

Jamie Moore

Brilliant action from both in a fight that lived up to and beyond
my expectations. I'm very grateful to both for the entertainment
they provided.

Jamie Moore was just brilliant.


p.s. I thought Macklin should have been pulled out at the end of the 9th
round, but it's a very tough call to make in the heat of the moment.

Terence wrote:To be fair I am not trying to be snotty on this strand, I just feel Matt deserved the chance to see it through. They may have given him the tenth and then pulled him but if they would have pulled him after nine we would have a few 'Macklin in a tough fight: cannot take it' strands on the 'net.

People may deny this yet look what happened to Tszyu, legend smeared due to being pulled out of a fight that lost competitiveness after the middle rounds. In the final round of that fight Kostya took a largely one-way beating, he was retired in his corner and articles popped-up calling him a coward.

There would have been complaints irregardless of the outcome. Hell we get domestic fight of the year, a back and forth struggle, a KO ending, the potential of Moore moving up a class and what reaction is given in some quarters?

The commentary was shit and Smith takes it up the shitter for cash or broadcasting opportunities. Smith does a poor job on many fights, do we really need to bring it up every time along with the threads about the guy Slag them off once or twice then give it a rest.

Proof if it was needed that if moaning became an Olympic sport us boxing fans would win gold time after time.

Terence wrote:

silkov wrote:

Terence wrote:Warrior, I would rather be seen as that than a humourless tart

Get a grip on yourselves. Or better yet face up to the stark truth. Boxing involves KO's. If Matt would have been withdrawn people would be crying about the lack of a definitive end, probably the same people who cry to this day about the fact Vitali K was stopped prematurely even though half his face was hanging off. Corrales went down heavily and had sagged at various points in his fight with Castillo, if Mightwarrior would have been in his corner Corrales would have lost by corner-man-weeping-on-the-ring-apron DQ.

You also do not pull out a guy who has just put his own stint into an amazing round. Also factor in the ringside perception that Macklin was ahead on points in the eyes of some so he certainly could have been seen to be winning the fight by his corner team. Moore was blocking a lot of shots yet he was also taking a lot of body shots and he did look pretty rough himself at the end of the ninth. You could see the KO coming but that has been the case in many fights, are cornermen now expected to halt a fight because they suspect their guy could get KO'd? Why not refuse to sign a fight contract on that basis?

Macklin looked tired a number of times, he also landed some big shots in the ninth round and Moore said he was hurt throughout the fight plus Moore sagged a little after the ninth round. That is why he was encouraged by his corner who told him Matt had shot his bolt. Despite this Matt came out in the very next round and threw some decent punches. He looked tired in patches then would land some well-balanced shots. So we are stopping fights nowadays because one man looked tired?

Face it, a lot of the problem lies with the fact that the fight was given a definitive KO ending that made too many people feel uncomfortable with the finish and looking for scapegoats in retrospect. A lot of these same people post on a forum in which Audley Harrison is regularly called a coward for not putting it all on the line and providing excitement. Well guys at some point you have to accept that purely exciting, not controversial, fights end in often brutal KO's. You also have to accept that people ask for exciting fights, technically or not you still want closure and you got it on Friday. Matt went down hard and he went down heavy, he was tired but Jamie also brought his 1-2 into the fight at the right moment and unloaded a peach of a shot to KO his opponent.

Respect to those who screamed 'stop the fight' from the fifth round. Greater respect for those who said 'I could watch this all night long' after the ninth, as I am sure many did before backtracking when Matt went down.

Incidently the KO of Michael Medor was more worrying as he got caught was stopped only to collapse in the ring after the fight had been waved off. Matt was clearly dehydrated and wiped-out after a tough fight, a fight that the fans will remember and part of the remembrance will be the KO finish. Accept it is part of boxing or maybe watch female synchronised swimming.

Sorry mate, but I dont think you've seen enough fights by the sounds of it... boxing involves koes yes, but it can also lead to serious injury amd death when fighters are allowed to go on too long... to say that the Macklin ko came out of the blue makes me wonder what fight you were watching... if you dont think it should have been stopped, fair enough, but you should have respect for those that do think it should have been stopped earlier... some of us have seen and been at simular fights where fighters have been severely injured or died and at the end of the day a 'great fight' isnt worth a life... I'd rather see fights stopped too early rather than too late... live to fight another day... its better for all that way...

Actually Silkov I do not say it came out of the blue, you are doing a Barry there, I say it was a peach of a shot, peaches are peach coloured, maybe you are colour blind? I also say in my fight report that Matt shot his bolt in the early rounds and I noted that only one person was going to win by KO. I pointed out that he took rounds one and two before Moore took the next three and that Matt paid a high price for any rounds he won.

I have seen a fair few fights - that whole boxing snob 'I have been around boxing for years' thing is pretty poor form, maybe I have also followed boxing a long time and am lucky enough to be a realist - including the Stubbs one this year in which both guys seemed tired and 'gone' at various points only to regroup.

Boxing involves serious injury and deaths and you have to accept that and not get twitchy every time there is a tough fight going on, that is why we are fans and not cornermen or boxers. It is a shame you saw some serious injuries happen before your eyes but if it has left you deeply traumatised you need to get out and into a different sport. The reason you have not is probably down to the fact you like to see exciting fights. Well exciting fights are hard, tough slogs and often end by KO. Matt was tired yet why is no one explaining how they advocate stopping a fight when a fighter has just taken part in a great two-way round and hurt his opponent in that round.

I am not being disrespectful, people posted on this strand that they thought the fight was stopped prematurely, I have posted that it should not be and the way I see it that opinion is forged post-fight.

This fight was stopped when it was supposed to be stopped. TO suggest Macklin should have been pulled insults his performance really.

Terence wrote:Seeing one guy being a little leg-weary whilst he is still throwing big shots is not a normal criteria as far as I see it.

Deserter wrote:I can't say with absolute authority, as I haven't rewatched the fight since Friday night, but didnt' Macklin tumble over from sheer exhaustion in the 10th?
After the ninth I thought Macklin was 'gone', but not enough to justify stopping the fight, however once I saw him stumbling around in the 10th, prior to the knockdown, I actually said to my mate as we were watching it something along the lines of "He's completely gone. They should pull him out before he gets hurt."
Now I know it's always easy to say that from the comfort of your armchair, but if I and other could see from TV that he was absolutely f**ked, then surely his corner could?
I honestly don't think the parallels with other fights I've read to date have been that valid - I've rarely seen anyone as utterly out on their feet from sheer exhaustion as Macklin was just before the conclusion - hardly a surprise after such an incredible effort.

Terence wrote:

silkov wrote:

Terence wrote:Warrior, I would rather be seen as that than a humourless tart

Get a grip on yourselves. Or better yet face up to the stark truth. Boxing involves KO's. If Matt would have been withdrawn people would be crying about the lack of a definitive end, probably the same people who cry to this day about the fact Vitali K was stopped prematurely even though half his face was hanging off. Corrales went down heavily and had sagged at various points in his fight with Castillo, if Mightwarrior would have been in his corner Corrales would have lost by corner-man-weeping-on-the-ring-apron DQ.

You also do not pull out a guy who has just put his own stint into an amazing round. Also factor in the ringside perception that Macklin was ahead on points in the eyes of some so he certainly could have been seen to be winning the fight by his corner team. Moore was blocking a lot of shots yet he was also taking a lot of body shots and he did look pretty rough himself at the end of the ninth. You could see the KO coming but that has been the case in many fights, are cornermen now expected to halt a fight because they suspect their guy could get KO'd? Why not refuse to sign a fight contract on that basis?

Macklin looked tired a number of times, he also landed some big shots in the ninth round and Moore said he was hurt throughout the fight plus Moore sagged a little after the ninth round. That is why he was encouraged by his corner who told him Matt had shot his bolt. Despite this Matt came out in the very next round and threw some decent punches. He looked tired in patches then would land some well-balanced shots. So we are stopping fights nowadays because one man looked tired?

Face it, a lot of the problem lies with the fact that the fight was given a definitive KO ending that made too many people feel uncomfortable with the finish and looking for scapegoats in retrospect. A lot of these same people post on a forum in which Audley Harrison is regularly called a coward for not putting it all on the line and providing excitement. Well guys at some point you have to accept that purely exciting, not controversial, fights end in often brutal KO's. You also have to accept that people ask for exciting fights, technically or not you still want closure and you got it on Friday. Matt went down hard and he went down heavy, he was tired but Jamie also brought his 1-2 into the fight at the right moment and unloaded a peach of a shot to KO his opponent.

Respect to those who screamed 'stop the fight' from the fifth round. Greater respect for those who said 'I could watch this all night long' after the ninth, as I am sure many did before backtracking when Matt went down.

Incidently the KO of Michael Medor was more worrying as he got caught was stopped only to collapse in the ring after the fight had been waved off. Matt was clearly dehydrated and wiped-out after a tough fight, a fight that the fans will remember and part of the remembrance will be the KO finish. Accept it is part of boxing or maybe watch female synchronised swimming.

Sorry mate, but I dont think you've seen enough fights by the sounds of it... boxing involves koes yes, but it can also lead to serious injury amd death when fighters are allowed to go on too long... to say that the Macklin ko came out of the blue makes me wonder what fight you were watching... if you dont think it should have been stopped, fair enough, but you should have respect for those that do think it should have been stopped earlier... some of us have seen and been at simular fights where fighters have been severely injured or died and at the end of the day a 'great fight' isnt worth a life... I'd rather see fights stopped too early rather than too late... live to fight another day... its better for all that way...

Actually Silkov I do not say it came out of the blue, you are doing a Barry there, I say it was a peach of a shot, peaches are peach coloured, maybe you are colour blind? I also say in my fight report that Matt shot his bolt in the early rounds and I noted that only one person was going to win by KO. I pointed out that he took rounds one and two before Moore took the next three and that Matt paid a high price for any rounds he won.

I have seen a fair few fights - that whole boxing snob 'I have been around boxing for years' thing is pretty poor form, maybe I have also followed boxing a long time and am lucky enough to be a realist - including the Stubbs one this year in which both guys seemed tired and 'gone' at various points only to regroup.

Boxing involves serious injury and deaths and you have to accept that and not get twitchy every time there is a tough fight going on, that is why we are fans and not cornermen or boxers. It is a shame you saw some serious injuries happen before your eyes but if it has left you deeply traumatised you need to get out and into a different sport. The reason you have not is probably down to the fact you like to see exciting fights. Well exciting fights are hard, tough slogs and often end by KO. Matt was tired yet why is no one explaining how they advocate stopping a fight when a fighter has just taken part in a great two-way round and hurt his opponent in that round.

I am not being disrespectful, people posted on this strand that they thought the fight was stopped prematurely, I have posted that it should not be and the way I see it that opinion is forged post-fight.

This fight was stopped when it was supposed to be stopped. TO suggest Macklin should have been pulled insults his performance really.