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No one ever battered Otkke.

Although in fairness Otkke had the ref and 3 judges always making it 5 on 1 which is never a fair fight.

Fair play mate you haven't got a clue....

Ottke never got in with Calzaghe, he would have had his head boxed off.....

For starters, Reid beat him and didn't get the decision.....

Ottke was one of the most boring fighters I've ever seen... had a great knack of making his opponents look bad while not looking much good himself and always getting the decision... his 'win' over Reid was one of the worst decisions I've seen... thank God he's retired now and put us all out of our misery!...

Amen to that...

Ottke did legitimately beat Glen Johnson though.

Sven vs Joe would have been okay, don't think it would have been the forgone conclusion people assume it would be. Two common opponents did state at the time that Ottke vs Joe is a tough fight to call.

That was Mitchell and Starie. Reid said Joe would have anhilated him, but Ottke was in decline by then and possibly ill prepared.

Ottke seemed to fight better when the opponent was better, perhaps he thought Reid was faded.

Ottke's better displays were against the likes of Brewer (don't know his opinion on a perspective match), Thomas Tate, Johnson and Mitchell. His worst displays vs the likes of Joe Gatti, Starie, Larsen... lesser known fighters in general.

Now, I don't want to say who ducked who but these are fighters that Joe SHOULD have fought.

Jones Jnr, Ottke, Beyer, Lucas, Echols, Hopkins, Harry Simon, Cately, Mundine,

After David Starie's disgraceful 'white flag' performance he should have shut his mouth.....

how can he compare when he grabbed on all night, didn't even make a fight of it.....

Regardless of whether you loved or hate Ottke, but for Joe's 10 year reign Ottke was a fellow champion for 7/8 years and beat a similar level of opponent (and was more active) during that reign.

Joe should have fought Sven, it was his acid test.

Forget Woodhall, Reid, Lacy etc. Sven and Roy Jones were the two main misses in his career

My long winded & convoluted ploy to force dialogue about Henry Akinwande has gone tits up into another Joe Calzaghe thread.

Back to the drawing board...

who's this platov bloke anyway ?

For Overhand with hugs!!!

Henry Akinwande was based in Britain from day 1, he moved to the united States around the time he faced Tony Tucker to establish himself properly on the world scene, he was due to box Zolkin for the title years before the two actually met.. He ended up facing Jeremy Williams for the Vaccant WBO and making a first defence against Zolkin on the Tyson v Holyfield card in las Vegas in 1996.. One last defence against Scott Welch in Tennessee, before stepping to the plate for Lewis' WBC belt .. ( the fight he will be remembered for his holding..) Akinwande before that night never held, ever.. He had a very tough long jab and move style.. To this day he only lost 3 fights.. and drew one controversially to Axel Schulz.. Akinwande only returned to Nigeria (his birth place) occasionally after he lost to Lewis... He will always be a dangerous comodity to anyone, the first things to go from his better days is his stamina, a problem i truly is down to his blood disorder in the latter end of his best days.. (McCall) Never the best in the world , but always one of the best British Heavyweights to have held a version..

Zolkin and Williams were very respected contenders back then..

Its testiment to see him boxing at a fairly high level at present day..

Does anyone agree that Akinwande decked Lewis in their fight, it wasn't called by the ref though.

Also on the arguement of Ottke being a good champ or not, well Reid could have had his hand raised against either Ottke or Calzaghe, but didn't get the nod.
Also Okkte did beat champs such as Brewer, Johnson, Branco, Mundine, Mitchell. So Ottke may have been boring as assholes to watch, but he did what he had to do to win,

What on earth has Akinwande got in his tracksuit bottom pockets in that photo??

KOJOE90 wrote:Now the path is clear for Akinwande vs Harrison.

Never mind What we need here is a :hug: Look out - it's Henry!

Old bones Ian wrote:Does anyone agree that Akinwande decked Lewis in their fight, it wasn't called by the ref though.

Also on the arguement of Ottke being a good champ or not, well Reid could have had his hand raised against either Ottke or Calzaghe, but didn't get the nod.
Also Okkte did beat champs such as Brewer, Johnson, Branco, Mundine, Mitchell. So Ottke may have been boring as assholes to watch, but he did what he had to do to win,

Yep, true on Akinwande IMO. I actually think he was treated a bit roughly regarding the Lewis fight. Yes, a DQ was probably the right decision, or at least in a few rounds time. However, I maintain he was gassed and thats why he was clinging on all the time.

Henry surely knew he legitimately put Lewis down, Lennox later admitted it. Now if he was shitting himself, surely that had gone with the punch and he must have thought "hey I can KO him", but no cause he was completely exhausted.

Always had stamina problems if he was fighting at someone else's speed, many big guys do (e.g. Wladimir).

Agree also on Ottke... The only fight I thought he was TRULY lucky to get the decision was vs Larsen. The Ref in the Reid was corrupt by the looks of things, incompetant at best - but I think it discounts for the fact that Reid did nowt in the latter part of the fight.

Fair REF then with no point deduction and a KD given then Reid by 2 would have been my card. As the ref instructed though, my card had it Ottke by one. Reid won his rounds more clearly, but I think its hard to give him more than 7 rounds though.

I had Reid beating Calzaghe by a round.

overhand_right wrote:

Captain Hook wrote:I can't even fathom how you're comparing the number one super middleweight in the world, and p4p top 10 ....with Akinwande,.....

I'm stumped

I'm stumped as to how you can get the wrong end of the stick so easily.

I'm SAYING Joe Calzaghe is supposedly this "p4p top 10 " because of hiding out in Wales 10 years and accumulating 20 WBO title defenses over bums.

So im POSING THE QUESTIONS, 'What If' Akinwande had kept his WBO title, hid out in Nigeria 10 years and accumalted 20 WBO title defenses over bum?

Would he be "great" or "p4p"?

NO.

So why is JC?

It was kind of an off-hand throwaway remark, that has been dragged into a lenghty epic.

My old grandma once offered me this advice...

"If you wipe your finger round the toilet bowl, don't complain if your hands smell of shit."

An Akinwande-Platov rematch is on 30th June in Moscow!

stujones wrote:

Old bones Ian wrote:Does anyone agree that Akinwande decked Lewis in their fight, it wasn't called by the ref though.

Also on the arguement of Ottke being a good champ or not, well Reid could have had his hand raised against either Ottke or Calzaghe, but didn't get the nod.
Also Okkte did beat champs such as Brewer, Johnson, Branco, Mundine, Mitchell. So Ottke may have been boring as assholes to watch, but he did what he had to do to win,

Yep, true on Akinwande IMO. I actually think he was treated a bit roughly regarding the Lewis fight. Yes, a DQ was probably the right decision, or at least in a few rounds time. However, I maintain he was gassed and thats why he was clinging on all the time.

Henry surely knew he legitimately put Lewis down, Lennox later admitted it. Now if he was shitting himself, surely that had gone with the punch and he must have thought "hey I can KO him", but no cause he was completely exhausted.

Always had stamina problems if he was fighting at someone else's speed, many big guys do (e.g. Wladimir).

Agree also on Ottke... The only fight I thought he was TRULY lucky to get the decision was vs Larsen. The Ref in the Reid was corrupt by the looks of things, incompetant at best - but I think it discounts for the fact that Reid did nowt in the latter part of the fight.

Fair REF then with no point deduction and a KD given then Reid by 2 would have been my card. As the ref instructed though, my card had it Ottke by one. Reid won his rounds more clearly, but I think its hard to give him more than 7 rounds though.

I had Reid beating Calzaghe by a round.

Reid was being penalised for hitting his opponent though, it's no wonder he did sod all for the second half of the fight, he was on the verge of being disqualified.

No way was that incompetent refereeing, it was as bent as a banana whizzing down a helter-skelter, and no mistake.

Brian Hughes told me he instructed Robin to look for a one punch KO after the 6th round, as he feared he would get DQ'd and therefore lose his purse.

I don't recally however ever hearing that a fighter who is DQ'd automatically loses his purse?

steve689 wrote:What on earth has Akinwande got in his tracksuit bottom pockets in that photo??

stujones wrote:I had Reid beating Calzaghe by a round.

Same. It's just that Joe was never visibly hurt, which brought up the question: is Reid really on top? Robin definitely landed the cleaner shots, I don't think there's much argument there.

As for Akinwande, I always felt he was dangerous while he lasted. Bit like Ibeabuchi.

steve689 wrote:What on earth has Akinwande got in his tracksuit bottom pockets in that photo??

Henry is very eco-freindly he bikes everywhere.