Hatton 'I will never fight Witter'.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Seriously, Hatton clearly doesn't fancy chasing Witter around eating counters all night. This has been going on for years. Excuse after excuse. First Witter brought nothing to the table Hatton said he would have to win a belt first. Witter now has a belt and its more excuses.

Lets hope Castillo makes 140 at this weeks weigh in there have been rumours to the contrary. Hatton needs the Castillo fight next.

These Witter counters are a bit like boxing itself, full of mystique and promise but they rarely deliver, especially now the ante has been upped. When did he last throw counters all night?

Witter has brought a belt to the table but, solely down to himself, is in the position that the belt now means next to nothing, it was a vacant title picked-up in one of the poorest fights I can recall watching.

I would have loved to have seen Hatton-Witter, five years or so ago yet Warren did not make the fight and was 100% right not to make it as only one party brought anything to it.

When you think about the fight taking place next year you only need to read this thread for it to leave you cold. A reflexively fading pot-shotter who never puts in a full round let alone a fully paced fight taking on a guy who is said to be on the wane, lives like a pig and was lucky to get his stripes anyway. Sounds like a doozy to me. Reading this strand makes you wonder why the big anticipation

Witter needs to produce the goods this weekend, more so than at any point in his career. This guy will probably come at him so no excuses, if there are some big shots followed by a long fade to the final bell the Witter highlight reel, which he needs to market this fight, will consist of him talking about Hatton.

As for Castillo, we'll see what happens when they step on the scales, this time last week Hatton was having weight problems all because a shot was taken of him looking thin and pasty, which is odd when you consider he went from a rainy shit-hole, via a long-haul flight straight back into more intensive training!

You can't throw counters if the opponent is too scare/defensive to throw counters, ie Kotelnik/Corley

Your right about Castillo, but didn't he only make 139 when trying to make 135 last time - it depends if he was genuinely cheating or not I suppose

[nickd]

How about we have a timeout on Hatton v Witter and Calzaghe v Kessler threads from this forum for a while. Quite frankly I am bored to bits with both topics! Maybe even make it permanent!! ;)

[E]

E, lets not be crass here and bolden a guys post with grammatical tips, that is way below the belt. I have problems in this area myself and I find it livens speech and writing up a fair bit

Well normally I would not resort to that, noone is perfect, but when an immature poster resorts to insults and unsubstantiated claims I think it is fair enough.

Mora than that, Phenomenal-Vagina actually posted a criticism of another poster's grammar:

In 2001, Kirk was beaten by Sheffield's Witter, who has now gone on to rule become WBC light heavyweight champion.

Must have missed that 1, Witters P4P no1 after winning WBC light-welter and now light-heavweiught titles back to back. And hes alos from Sheffield? Seem to remember him coming from Bradford myself. Also fantastic use of grammar I must say

See here:

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 79&start=0

:P

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

These Witter counters are a bit like boxing itself, full of mystique and promise but they rarely deliver, especially now the ante has been upped. When did he last throw counters all night?

Witter has brought a belt to the table but, solely down to himself, is in the position that the belt now means next to nothing, it was a vacant title picked-up in one of the poorest fights I can recall watching.

I would have loved to have seen Hatton-Witter, five years or so ago yet Warren did not make the fight and was 100% right not to make it as only one party brought anything to it.

When you think about the fight taking place next year you only need to read this thread for it to leave you cold. A reflexively fading pot-shotter who never puts in a full round let alone a fully paced fight taking on a guy who is said to be on the wane, lives like a pig and was lucky to get his stripes anyway. Sounds like a doozy to me. Reading this strand makes you wonder why the big anticipation

Witter needs to produce the goods this weekend, more so than at any point in his career. This guy will probably come at him so no excuses, if there are some big shots followed by a long fade to the final bell the Witter highlight reel, which he needs to market this fight, will consist of him talking about Hatton.

As for Castillo, we'll see what happens when they step on the scales, this time last week Hatton was having weight problems all because a shot was taken of him looking thin and pasty, which is odd when you consider he went from a rainy shit-hole, via a long-haul flight straight back into more intensive training!

You can't throw counters if the opponent is too scare/defensive to throw counters, ie Kotelnik/Corley

Your right about Castillo, but didn't he only make 139 when trying to make 135 last time - it depends if he was genuinely cheating or not I suppose

Combat 18? Don't they do package holidays for paintball enthusiasts?

I think you flatter Corley, by that point he was too shit to throw counters but fair enough. I am aware that due to my location and who I interview (which is based on my location and lack of a car) I could be accused of bias (which itself is at odds with my first ever article, or attempt at one, 'It will be Tszyu in Two' where I went for Kostya in three) but for me the bottom line is that if Witter threw counters about as freely as he throws words about it would be a moot point as the clamour for the fight would not be so one-sided.

E, lets not be crass here and bolden a guys post with grammatical tips, that is way below the belt. I have problems in this area myself and I find it livens speech and writing up a fair bit

Well the point was Witter is more exciting when a fighter bring it to him and doesn't go into a shell. See the Ndou fight, that was a pretty exciting fight.

Terrance I like Hatton myself, I just like Witter more, and Hattons (ohhhh wait let me remember Hatton's ) synically managed career sadly makes me root against him at times.

I don't have a problem with people rooting for Hatton. But if your going to defend Hatton about the Witter-Hatton situation admit its a risky fight (which it is) with a small reward (buit that small reward has grown into not only respect from unimpressed fans and bragging rights but also a WBC belt).

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Stalking me are we E? Should I dig through your posts for BNP copy and paste jobs? No, I don't have time to waste on scum like you.

[E]

Stalking me are we E? Should I dig through your posts for BNP copy and paste jobs? No, I don't have time to waste on scum like you.

Yeah go on mate..... you won't find any.

Stalking you? I see...delusions of grandeur as well as a low IQ. I think you should be sterilised to stop you passing your backward genes on...

Being against mass immigration in the 4th most densely populated country in the world and despising religious fanaticism are hardly tantamount to Nazism.....the only people I am prejudiced against are chippy morons such as yourself.

[mrbassie]

I would have loved to have seen Hatton-Witter, five years or so ago yet Warren did not make the fight and was 100% right not to make it as only one party brought anything to it.

by that criteria he was 100% wrong to make any of Hatton's fights other than Thaxton and Tszyu.

[Chesney_Chambers]

Does it though? Being a massive star involves beating a massive star and Junior is just not that star. It would be a cult fight with Hatton bringing all the fans and the money.

Hatton-Witter is another Benn-Eubank-Watson type fight, in terms of the publicity, hype and interest it would achieve over here, especially as both are now World champions

Urango is not that star either, my argument is why can't Hatton be fighting Witter on Saturday (or many of the other opportunities he's had). I don't want to sacrifice the Castillo fight, but why couldn't Hatton fight Witter then Castillo instead of Urango then Castillo.

I agree Hatton brings the fans and the majority of the money, but all that bollocks gets sorted in the negotiations. Hatton obviously takes the majority of the dosh. About 3 years ago Witter offered to fight Ricky for £150K, but FW and Ricky still werent interested, that shows to me that money isnot the stumbling block.... it is Ricky

Beating Urango is all about Hatton cracking the USA, can you deny that Urango has looked exciting in his fights? If Witter had looked half as fun to watch he would be in the other corner.

Witter-Hatton would be exciting IMO, Hattons all out aggression and immense stamina against Witters technical counter-punching style. It's fascinating IMO

I would like to see Hatton-Witter take place here in Manchester and watch it live but I would much rather see Hatton-Castillo in Vegas even if it is on TV.

The 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive. I would have much preferred to see Hatton-Witter than Hatton-Maussa/Collazo/Urango


Bottom line is Ricky and his team don't want the fight, so he is avoiding his arch-rival. I'm a BIG fan of Ricky and I've been to 3 of his fights, but he has gone way down in my estimations for not fighting the best in Britain

[G-man]

Do any of you that are chearleading Witter actually turn up to watch him fight?

[Chesney_Chambers]

No, but I go to very few fights in all honesty, unless the tickets are free (ala Hatton).

Its hard work for us potheads to get off the settee at the best of times

[jamesmcdonnell]

Hatton can backtrack all he likes.

Leagues above him In what? In Skill Witter's the better fighter.

Hatton said he wanted all the belts too and you won't see him touch even the winner of the Interim between Mosley and Callazo.

Hatton doesn't realise how easy he got to the top.

What are you basing this on. Witter struggled with Colin Lynes, almost lost to Kotelnik, and almost lost to N'dou despite knocking him down three times.

Just because Witter is flashy, doesn't make him more skilfull.

At the end of the day, Hatton was able to impose his style on Kostya Tszyu, who is head and shoulders better than anyone witter has fought by some considerable margin. End of.

[Chesney_Chambers]

Hatton-Witter is another Benn-Eubank-Watson type fight, in terms of the publicity, hype and interest it would achieve over here, especially as both are now World champions

Only if Witter gets some publicity off his own back. To the bloke in the street right now it would be Hatton against somewone they hear hates Hatton.

Witter-Hatton would be exciting IMO, Hattons all out aggression and immense stamina against Witters technical counter-punching style. It's fascinating IMO

It could also be poor to watch. Once bitten twice shy and all that. If Witter produces on Saturday the point will weigh in your favour.

The 2 don't have to be mutually exclusive. I would have much preferred to see Hatton-Witter than Hatton-Maussa/Collazo/Urango

You may have preferred it but the TV companies would not and at this time in boxing they are making the fights, especially in the US.

I hate speculating about fights that may not even happen but the onus is on both fighters to produce this weekend, both have the perfect foils to produce with so let them get on with it.

I suspect that one of them will look poor so there will be plenty of discussion next Monday

Eubank and Watson weren't particularly well heard of by the man in the street, before they fought Benn. Respect to Benn for fighting them.

The "HBO don't want to braodcast Witters fights" argument is bollocks IMO....just another excuse. Surely the fight could stand on its own 2 feet without USTV money anyway, but I'm pretty sure HBO would show it.

Respect to you for arguing Rickys case so well, but in this instance you're WRONG to defend Hatton for not fighting Witter

Should be a good weekends boxing (could be better though), I'm quite excited already

[jamesmcdonnell]

Bollocks.

Benn was a household name even before he fought Eubank, go and get the major newspapers around that time, they are available from the public library, and look at the sports sections, Benn and Eubank were all over them.

Neither Hatton not Witter fight on terrestrial TV, so how is this a massive fight in the public eye without HBO? Without HBO, the money involved is significantly reduced, believe you me, and why should Hatton take less money for a fight against an opponent which will do little for his legacy?

Let Witter turn in a spectacular performance, something he has failed to do, though he came close against N'dou, then maybe, just maybe, he will develop a profile that will get him a shot against Hatton or some other big name.

Hatton is within spitting distance of Castillo, Corralles, Mayweather and Cotto, and I can guarantee you right now, that as things stands, not one of these guys would fight Witter over Hatton, because there is no money in fighting him.

On a purists level I would like to see Hatton fight Witter, but from the perspective of the business of boxing, I totally understand why it has not, and probably will not happen.

[MightyWarrior]

UK boxing fans would like to see the fight, but no-one else does: that's the Witter problem.

And the reason Hatton will probably never face him, unless he gets unexpectedly beaten; then Ricky might take it as a farewell payday.

If Witter was an champion in the Nigel Benn mold, an all action TV friendly destroyer, then the pressure would really be on Hatton to face him, and it'd probably happen. But Junior just has too many dull wins on his CV - and that gives Hatton the perfect excuse to tell him to take a hike.

Billy Graham is in the papers today, saying he has a three fight plan for RH, then retirement: Urango,Castillo..Mayweather ( or JC Chavez, in case they can't agree terms of course )

Witter really needs to deliver this weekend to keep things boiling - anything less and it's well and truly dead in the water.

[silkov]

UK boxing fans would like to see the fight, but no-one else does: that's the Witter problem.

And the reason Hatton will probably never face him, unless he gets unexpectedly beaten; then Ricky might take it as a farewell payday.

If Witter was an champion in the Nigel Benn mold, an all action TV friendly destroyer, then the pressure would really be on Hatton to face him, and it'd probably happen. But Junior just has too many dull wins on his CV - and that gives Hatton the perfect excuse to tell him to take a hike.

Billy Graham is in the papers today, saying he has a three fight plan for RH, then retirement: Urango,Castillo..Mayweather ( or JC Chavez, in case they can't agree terms of course )

Witter really needs to deliver this weekend to keep things boiling - anything less and it's well and truly dead in the water.

The bottom line is Hatton isnt sure he would beat Witter, simple as that, Witter has the perfect style to beat Hatton... ok Ricky go ahead and dont fight him, but dont then turn round and claim that you want to be looked upon as one of the greats and all that tosh, till you fight Witter you havent even proved that your the best 140 fighter in England!!.... any self respecting champion of past eras would be asking for Witter in order to shut his mouth and prove yourself the best... this shows that Hatton is more buisnessman than fighter..... all in all I think Hatton will regret it in ten years time if he never fights Junior, there will always be whispers of Witters name wherever Ricky goes...

[steve689]

PS very much unlike Ricky who is always highly friendly and down to earth when I have met him, I found Juior to be aloof and disinterested.

Probably coz your a twat, maybe he doesn't take too kindly to Combat 18 sorts like yourself, Witters always seemed down to earth and friendly when Ive met him.

I don't understand these comments PN

Hatton knows he is in a tough 50-50 style bout if he fights Witter and doesn't want the hassle i suspect, Hatton claimed he would entertain a fight if Witter won a big belt which he has. He thinks he is on a different radar but fighting Juan Urango says otherwise to me.

[Phenomenal-Nutrition]

Stalking me are we E? Should I dig through your posts for BNP copy and paste jobs? No, I don't have time to waste on scum like you.

Yeah go on mate..... you won't find any.

Stalking you? I see...delusions of grandeur as well as a low IQ. I think you should be sterilised to stop you passing your backward genes on...

Being against mass immigration in the 4th most densely populated country in the world and despising religious fanaticism are hardly tantamount to Nazism.....the only people I am prejudiced against are chippy morons such as yourself.

Yes low IQ, yet I built a company from the ground up that has 70+ employees, manufactures over 200 products supplied throughout the world (yes even to the smallest islands in the pacific) and makes more in a day than you'll make in a lifetime sunny jim.

Go on what have you managed to do with your fantastic grammar other than rehash some far right agenda?

No I don't have time to look through your innane posts.

For someone who thinks he is an interlectual, answer me this, what is your solution to Britains ageing population that could bankrupt us with the advent of the retirement of the baby boomers? I'll give you a clue its a 1 word answer here and both the US and UK governments encourage it while pretending they are in fact not encouraging it.

[Autobarn]

Urango is a wrecking ball now? Come on he's average. Have you seen his fight with Ben Rabah?

Yeah but that's the one fight that might not tell us how he'll look vs Hatton. I just got his fight with Arnaoutis on DVD - an absolute war! The guy is massive in his torso, throws some solid hooks and is a good bully. However, he appears to tire late in a drag out brawl, hence why he only got the draw.

Physically, he's a wrecking ball, IMO. I don't think he'll be a pushover. The Ben Rabah fight could give Ricky a false sense of security.

I had him losing the Arnaoutis fight. Movement is a big thorn in his side.

He did look good, for what it was worth, against Eason, he worked the body early, he put decent pressure in and when Eason was using movement he hunted him down and got in some decent shots.

On the other hand Eason then stayed close in the final few rounds, he landed some wicked hooks and uppercuts as well as short right hands and really had Urango ill at ease before the finish, which was corking. Hatton should be able to out-box him and work him over in-close. I actually think Urango only works to his maximum when you come forward in a straight line and retreat in a straight line. That peek-a-boo guard is shite, was always shite and is always going to be shite if it is your main defence. He ate uppercuts in the final round with Eason.

You can see why HBO accepted the guy.

I had Urango-Arnaoutis dead level. I gave Urango the first four, then 2 more. Terrific scrap, but for me Mighty Mike was too timid early on. But he did some lovely counter punching and was bosisng the fight for long patches late on, I agree with that.

Definitely was troubled when Mike 1/2 stepped in and out of range, jabbed/threw left crosses. But I like his doggedness. Part of it's being predictable, the other part is some grit and determination.

He certainly won't mind Hatton coming at him. I think Ricky needs to hit and take a pivot to the sides - a nice lively, on his toes performance could be in order.

PS, How fvcking wide is Urango's back?

[Goz]

Interesting search on google: http://www.gooogie.co.uk/?gid=41579&hl= ... s%20Witter

[glittermonkey]

For someone who thinks he is an interlectual, answer me this, what is your solution to Britains ageing population that could bankrupt us with the advent of the retirement of the baby boomers? I'll give you a clue its a 1 word answer here and both the US and UK governments encourage it while pretending they are in fact not encouraging it.

I know it's a two word answer, but.......Euthanasia centres?


Mmmmmm.....Soylent Green.....

[boxbet]

Wow , I cannot believe we are just three fights away from Hatton retiring!! Then the dream will end.
Witter is too risky with not enough reward. Would make Ricky look bad like Collazo did, so the fight wont happen.

[E]

Yes low IQ, yet I built a company from the ground up that has 70+ employees, manufactures over 200 products supplied throughout the world (yes even to the smallest islands in the pacific) and makes more in a day than you'll make in a lifetime sunny jim.

Go on what have you managed to do with your fantastic grammar other than rehash some far right agenda?

No I don't have time to look through your innane posts.

For someone who thinks he is an interlectual, answer me this, what is your solution to Britains ageing population that could bankrupt us with the advent of the retirement of the baby boomers? I'll give you a clue its a 1 word answer here and both the US and UK governments encourage it while pretending they are in fact not encouraging it.

Well done RE your company if that is in fact true, as truthfully anyone can claim anything on an anomynous message board....

But RE your claim that you make more in one day than I ever will in a lifetime makes your claims sound rather unlikely. What is your net profit for 2006?

Even in the highly unlikely case that you make £100,000 per day (and I'm talking net profit, NOT turnover which is irrelevant) I can assure you that I have easily cleared this in the last 2 years (and that is cash in the bank, taxes paid.)

Anyway one thing I have acheieved which you seem not to have done is box...

But moving on - I don't know the answer to your riddle (which although interesting is a very strange non-sequitur!) - euthanasia may be a decent guess already made, but am very interested to find out.

Please enlighten me, I am genuinely interested....

[Evander]

Newsflash


There is no interest in Witter v Hatton.

[emma]

“There is no way I am ever going to fight Witter.

“What he has to realise is that he is so far off my radar it’s untrue.

“All he has ever done throughout his career is slag me off and show me nothing but disrespect.

“He has gone out of his way to get any publicity he can by using my name and seems to think that, because he is the WBC champion, he has something that I want.

“I’m taking delight in all this because I know it will be the biggest payday of his life if he fights me — and it ain’t gonna happen.

Although HAtton-Witter is the best UK fight there along with Macca-Haye, I can totally understand Hatton's logic.

Win or lose Witter will make loads of money - he can't get a similar payday anywhere else.

And frankly Witter and Ingle's disrespectful tirade after the Thaxton fight when Ricky had just come through 12 hard and bloody rounds is unforgiveable.

Why should Ricky give Junior Sh1tter the opportunity to make proper money?

Also noone in the US where Hatton is now a big name is interested in Up the Sh1tter.

PS very much unlike Ricky who is always highly friendly and down to earth when I have met him, I found Juior to be aloof and disinterested.

Witter's a great guy he's always been nice and friendly to me.

[bugs]

Yes low IQ, yet I built a company from the ground up that has 70+ employees, manufactures over 200 products supplied throughout the world (yes even to the smallest islands in the pacific) and makes more in a day than you'll make in a lifetime sunny jim.

Go on what have you managed to do with your fantastic grammar other than rehash some far right agenda?

No I don't have time to look through your innane posts.

For someone who thinks he is an interlectual, answer me this, what is your solution to Britains ageing population that could bankrupt us with the advent of the retirement of the baby boomers? I'll give you a clue its a 1 word answer here and both the US and UK governments encourage it while pretending they are in fact not encouraging it.

Well done RE your company if that is in fact true, as truthfully anyone can claim anything on an anomynous message board....

But RE your claim that you make more in one day than I ever will in a lifetime makes your claims sound rather unlikely. What is your net profit for 2006?

Even in the highly unlikely case that you make £100,000 per day (and I'm talking net profit, NOT turnover which is irrelevant) I can assure you that I have easily cleared this in the last 2 years (and that is cash in the bank, taxes paid.)

Anyway one thing I have acheieved which you seem not to have done is box...

But moving on - I don't know the answer to your riddle (which although interesting is a very strange non-sequitur!) - euthanasia may be a decent guess already made, but am very interested to find out.

Please enlighten me, I am genuinely interested....

The answer is immigration, continuing to keep the necessary population size to support the welfare state. It is not rocket science mate, only xenophobia is a reason to not support it.