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Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:09
by Lightsoot
Tszyu had a habit of catching up with people, even if he was made to look clumsy and had to take punches as he came forward.
Witter, generally, when forced to work becomes more ragged. His defence gets breached and as he starts to tire launches more haymakers which leaves him wide open.
Witter, whilst a spiteful puncher, has never knocked anyone out of note. It would be highly improbable that he would have been able to stop Tszyu.
It's difficult to see what Witter could have done better than Mitchell or Judah when they were close to their primes.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:10
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Why do boxing fans assume because only pressure fighters beat Tyszu thats the only type of fighter who can prosper against him?
Lets not forget Mitchell outboxed Tyszu for rounds in the first fight and retired because of his knee injury. Hurtado put Tyszu down twice. Judah outfought and hurt Tyszu in the first round.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:10
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
dookus wrote:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
So what if Junior may get hit, Tyszu was easy to hit too. He got put down twice by Hurtado and he went down HARD.
Bullshit. He was up at 1 for each count, watch the fight.
I've watched it he was hurt
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:13
by Lightsoot
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Why do boxing fans assume because only pressure fighters beat Tyszu thats the only type of fighter who can prosper against him?
Lets not forget Mitchell outboxed Tyszu for rounds in the first fight and retired because of his knee injury. Hurtado put Tyszu down twice. Judah outfought and hurt Tyszu in the first round.
The knee was hurting Mitchell but Tszyu had figured him out and was piling on the pressure. Mitchell wanted out. As for Judah, you said it yourself, "He outfought and hurt Tszyu in the first round".
One round. Big deal. Tszyu closed the gap, walked Judah down and took him out having made the necessary adjustments a round later.
And let's not forget that Tszyu was also an excellent boxer when required. He was a superb amateur and he also boxed rings around Ben Tackie when Tackie was still considered to be something of a dangerman.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:19
by Taki...
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Taki... wrote:At no point in either man's career (and on no night) would Tszyu/Witter have been a 50/50 fight. Witter's style is absolutely tailor made for Kostya! He stands off, carries his hands low and doesn't have a high work-rate. Tszyu would follow him around finding his range for a few rounds and eventually catch him with one of those long right hands... goodnight Junior.
Why would the right hand necessarilly put Junior away? Because 2 of them put Judah away who was put down by Spinks and is known for a dodgy chin? Judah wouldn't have been put away if he hadn't jumped straight back up. Or would he definately put Witter away because an older frightened Mitchell didn't have the heart or legs or punch for a fight? Witter is different from both.
So what if Junior may get hit, Tyszu was easy to hit too. He got put down twice by Hurtado and he went down HARD. An older Tyszu may get put away by Witter or may get outboxed like Mitchell did in the first fight.
Mitchell and Judah were easier to tag clean than Junior too. What if Tyszu misses the right? He leaves himself open to a big Witter counter.
Tyszu may be able to KO Witter, but Witter may also be able to KO Tyszu.
The fact of Witter-Tyszu is Tyszu would get beat to the punch and outboxed and would need a KO. Witter can win by points or UD, old Tyszu can only win by KO.
Are you living in some kind of alternate universe where Witter is better than Mitchell and Judah?
Witter is not a power puncher, he would'nt get inside Tszyu (the way to beat him) and he'd give Tszyu the time and space to measure his shots...
A better summing up would be: Tszyu has the power to KO anyone, but Witter might land the punch of his lifetime... he might also develop the ability to fly and discover how to turn lead into gold...
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:20
by rhino222
decent post there mr carey, you have summed it up well. i think its fair to say that hatton took out kostya when kostya was on the slide, kostya was relying too much on his power punching at that stage of his career and the fantastic boxing skills he had shown to make his name were sadly on the decline.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:20
by JC
Tsyzu beats Witter that night IMO. We haven't seen Witter in with a world class puncher since Judah, I know he was inexperienced but he didn't seem to like it when he felt Zabs poer for the first time. Remembe Hatton had to eat some big right hands that night.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:30
by jamesmcdonnell
stujones wrote:James,
Ultimately I think Witters lack of workrate would be a downfall but I think Speedsters did give Tszyu some problems (especially later) untill he caught them up. I remember the first round of the Chinny Zab Judah and also the questions an aged and smaller Leijla was posing untill he got injured.
Yes, the two ways Kostya was beaten was through outworking him down the stretch - but I think if you were strong chinned and had a good workrate you could out speed Tszyu. Like I would favour Mayweather over Tszyu by running his way and pitta-pattaring his way to success.
Yes plenty of people made Tszyu look easy to hit and clumsy, as Ben says, but they ultimately wound up on the canvas. Zab hurt Tszyu in the first round, but by the 2nd Tszyu figured his timing out, and the rest is history.
There's nothing wrong with fighters posing you problems so long as you figure them out.
Posted: 23 Jan 2007, 10:32
by jamesmcdonnell
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:dookus wrote:Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:
So what if Junior may get hit, Tyszu was easy to hit too. He got put down twice by Hurtado and he went down HARD.
Bullshit. He was up at 1 for each count, watch the fight.
I've watched it he was hurt
so badly hurt that he got up at one each time? Wow, he must have been in a world of trouble.