Cooper/Ali(Clay)

[Brutu]

Why the World wide search for Doctor Who episodes?
That show was practically a British Institution.

Yeah that was tragic...if you are a fan of Doctor Who!! They done the same with Steptoe and Son.
Boxing wise they have much footage...I know this first hand for a fact..

evren

Not to mention "Till Death Do Us Part"and "Dad's Army".

[Brutu]

So are you saying you have a copy of Joe Bugner vrs Ray Patterson?
Is there a listing of all the boxing matches that appeared on the BBC show
GRANDSTAND back in the 1960's and 1970's available?

[Controversial]

Brutu are you saying there was a delay or not?

http://www.sport-magazine.co.uk/radar/f ... -clay-4280

A link to an article by UK sportswriter Norman Giller, ringside at the fight and very good friend of Cooper. He said he watched the unedited version and it was only a 66 second break and he admits the length of time gets exaggerated.

If Enrey said so then I believe it.
BTW Whose Television archive years later did Norman Giller get into and when did he do it?
The BBC Archives?
They were wiped almost entirely in the early 1970's and I would imagine
the print that they had to get to replace it was the edited American print thay had to obtain
later from Big Fights Inc.to replace their own wiped out copy.
Please show me the original BBC tape(with introductions) of Clay vrs Cooper 1963.

Well of course Henry would say that, its an urban myth that he dined out on for years. Norman Giller was ringside for the fight, a UK journalist and good friend of Cooper, if anyone could perpetuate the myth it would have been him.

Also below report by BBC where they listened to original radio broadcast and timed the intervals, again they say 66 seconds. Even the British commentators on the YouTube footage make no mention of any delay when round 5 starts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16985467

[Brutu]

Does Norman Giller also claim to have been at Woodstock did he?lol

[Brutu]

I don't know whats became of the Brits quite frankly since the mid-1970's.
Doesnt seem like they even want to give the benifit of the doubt to a fellow countryman.
Im sure if Winston Churchill was still around,he would stick up for 'Enery.

[Brutu]

Brutu are you saying there was a delay or not?

http://www.sport-magazine.co.uk/radar/f ... -clay-4280

A link to an article by UK sportswriter Norman Giller, ringside at the fight and very good friend of Cooper. He said he watched the unedited version and it was only a 66 second break and he admits the length of time gets exaggerated.

If Enrey said so then I believe it.
BTW Whose Television archive years later did Norman Giller get into and when did he do it?
The BBC Archives?
They were wiped almost entirely in the early 1970's and I would imagine
the print that they had to get to replace it was the edited American print thay had to obtain
later from Big Fights Inc.to replace their own wiped out copy.
Please show me the original BBC tape(with introductions) of Clay vrs Cooper 1963.

Well of course Henry would say that, its an urban myth that he dined out on for years. Norman Giller was ringside for the fight, a UK journalist and good friend of Cooper, if anyone could perpetuate the myth it would have been him.

Also below report by BBC where they listened to original radio broadcast and timed the intervals, again they say 66 seconds. Even the British commentators on the YouTube footage make no mention of any delay when round 5 starts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/16985467

Im not a lawyer,but listening to what kind of"audio-recording"?
an audio-recording of the edited American fight footage?
It Didnt say what radio station the audio recording was taken from.
who were the emcee radio announcers in the audio clip?
I noticed they didnt post a link to an audio clip either in the article.

[Controversial]

Im not a lawyer,but listening to what kind of"audio-recording"?
an audio-recording of the edited American fight footage?
It Didnt say what radio station the audio recording was taken from.
who were the emcee radio announcers in the audio clip?
I noticed they didnt post a link to an audio clip either in the article.

Haha ok, doesn't matter really does it, you would only say the edited it !!!

[Brutu]

I don't know whats became of the Brits quite frankly since the mid-1970's.
Doesnt seem like they even want to give the benifit of the doubt to a fellow countryman.
Im sure if Winston Churchill was still around,he would stick up for 'Enery.

Feels like another example of some British
"Ali Obsessives"
throwing Ol "Enry
under the bus to suite their own ideological views of the world and how it should be.

[Brutu]

Im not a lawyer,but listening to what kind of"audio-recording"?
an audio-recording of the edited American fight footage?
It Didnt say what radio station the audio recording was taken from.
who were the emcee radio announcers in the audio clip?
I noticed they didnt post a link to an audio clip either in the article.

Haha ok, doesn't matter really does it, you would only say the edited it !!!

How do we know that they did not?
There are people in this world who would like the truth not to be so
for whatever reason.Peer pressure?

[Controversial]

Brutu have you been drinking?

[Brutu]

Ice Tea and robatussin and also skittles why u ask?

[evrenb]

So are you saying you have a copy of Joe Bugner vrs Ray Patterson?
Is there a listing of all the boxing matches that appeared on the BBC show
GRANDSTAND back in the 1960's and 1970's available?

There is not a list im afraid...I have never looked for that fight im sorry....

[Brutu]

This link I posted earlier today got quickly buried so I am reposting it
Henry Cooper himself looks back at the fight.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RjHuaW ... pg=PT37&dq

[evrenb]

This link I posted earlier today got quickly buried so I am reposting it
Henry Cooper himself looks back at the fight.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RjHuaW ... pg=PT37&dq

It was a great story...just not true...and as 'enery said he dined out on it for the rest of his days...loved henry cooper....

[Controversial]

This link I posted earlier today got quickly buried so I am reposting it
Henry Cooper himself looks back at the fight.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RjHuaW ... pg=PT37&dq

Thats the point, Henry made money from perpetuating the myth. He was a national hero, loved by the Brits and knighted by the Queen, if anyone was going to publish evidence proving Ali was given a 5-10 minute rest it would have been the BBC.

[Brutu]

Which era are you living in?lol
The BBC of recent years hates Britain just like MSNBC hates America and all it ever stood for.
That is what the comrades can take to the bank

[Brutu]

This link I posted earlier today got quickly buried so I am reposting it
Henry Cooper himself looks back at the fight.

http://books.google.com/books?id=RjHuaW ... pg=PT37&dq

It was a great story...just not true...and as 'enery said he dined out on it for the rest of his days...loved henry cooper....

Stuff like that reminds of author Randy Roberts on that HBO documentary about Joe Louis and how Roberts(with what looked like hate welling up in his eyes)talking about how Coca-Cola a "southern company"(his emphasis was on Southern)
gave in the 1950's a license to Max Schmeling to distribute Coca-Cola in Germany which made him a rich man
and they didnt give Joe Louis one in America and thats why he was always broke.

[Brutu]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsLhNxzwK1Y

[Controversial]

Which era are you living in?lol
The BBC of recent years hates Britain just like MSNBC hates America and all it ever stood for.
That is what the comrades can take to the bank

Are you from the UK? We are talking about 1963, seriously why would the BBC destroy evidence of a delay in a boxing match involving a British hero? There were 35,000 people at the fight, many alive today and yet I have never read anything from anyone saying there was a significant delay, other than Cooper.

[Brutu]

The BBC didnt wipe their tapes out until the early 1970's.
I dont think it was considered such a big thing at the time in 1963 because
no one knew that what a great fighter Muhammad Ali was to become
until years later looking back.

Surely the newspapers that served Kent England wrote it up.
Why havent we seen any of those newspaper articles posted on-line?
I have only seen American newspaper accounts.

[Controversial]

The BBC didnt wipe their tapes out until the early 1970's.
I dont think it was considered such a big thing at the time in 1963 because
no one knew that what a great fighter Muhammad Ali was to become
until years later looking back.

Surely the newspapers that served Kent England wrote it up.
Why havent we seen any of those newspaper articles posted on-line?
I have only seen American newspaper accounts.

Seriously man think about what your saying. You be telling me next the moon landings were faked. So you think the British press put a blanket ban to not mention the 5-10 minute delay, for what reason exactly, why would they bother, it was hardly a significant event? I'm sure the papers are held online for a fee or to view from the British library. This has been discussed on forums for years and years, I'm sure if there was evidence to prove it was a massive cover up someone would have printed it by now.

[Brutu]

Im a realist,I personally do not think there was a 10 minute delay.
Probably more like 2 to 3 minutes from the time Ali got off the canvas
until the bell rang to begin the Fifth round.

I wish someone in Britain would do some research on how
Ali vrs Cooper I was originally shown.
was it aired live on British tv or closed-circuit in Britain or filmed for broadcast later that week
on GRANDSTAND on the BBC?

[BoxBuzz]

Let the fax be known:

When Ali's glove ripped, they allowed him to go home crash in his hotel for the evening, whilst waiting for another custom glove to be flown in from Hong Kong. Meanwhile, 'enry was forced to stay awake all night waiting in his corner. The next day,After having rested a full night, having breakfast, doing a morning run, and showering, Ali returned to the ring with his entourage, where the fight was picked up where it left off.

[Brutu]

Anyone know what the first commercial closed-circuit boxing match
to be shown in Britain was?

[Brutu]

Im a realist,I personally do not think there was a 10 minute delay.
Probably more like 2 to 3 minutes from the time Ali got off the canvas
until the bell rang to begin the Fifth round.

I wish someone in Britain would do some research on how
Ali vrs Cooper I was originally shown.
was it aired live on British tv or closed-circuit in Britain or filmed for broadcast later that week
on GRANDSTAND on the BBC?

Someone please post some newspaper articles about the bout from THE NEWS OF THE WORLD,
THE SUN
or whatever English newspapers reported on boxing then back in 1963.