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[jamesmcdonnell]

Simple Question.....A prime Tszyu faces a prime Hatton at the MEN Arena
Who Wins?

Tszyu easy and without breaking sweat.


And as for Chavez

Now, a prime Calzaghe fights a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, Nunn antwhere in the world, who wins.

Calzaghe at THEIR own admission.

Just because they have said that, doesn't make it true.

Fact is, Calzaghe wasn't around when these guys at their primes. So it's a moot point.

Calzaghe would no way have beaten Toney or Jones Jr at their primes. The latter is at Calzaghe's own admission.

I think it best to judge fighters on who they HAVE fought, not what might have been if they were around 15 years earlier.

[m1kee50]

As Lacy's trainer said, Jeff willl be back and will regain a world title but there is no way he will be allowed withing 1000 of JC. The same trainer who trains the likes of Winky Wright.

Are you sure he did not get a few smacks in the head? Not on the evidence of Lacy's last fight. Who is he going to pick a title from? Or are you working on Calzaghe-Lacy II: Surely this Time he KO the Guy!

Because trainers (and promotors) never speak well of their charges do they? Party-line.

[Dirk Kelly]

Has anyone managed to order this yet on Virgin, can't seem to see how to do it??

[Scooby Doo]

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

THJAT AOBUT SUMS YOU UP REALLY.

if Ricky wins then casitllo is shot, if Hatton loses he never was any good.

what a cancerous prick you are.

Boxing Chat, please could you inform me what on earth do you know about boxing? yes you are very good, no you are the master of wind ups around here but you really know fornicate all other than sucking your bosses cock.

[leforge]

I actually think Hatton career has not progressed since he left Warren. He only just beat Collazo if it went another round he would have been stopped. It be interesting to see how he performs on 23 June.

[Max Molyneux]

Simple Question.....A prime Tszyu faces a prime Hatton at the MEN Arena
Who Wins?

Tszyu easy and without breaking sweat.


And as for Chavez

Now, a prime Calzaghe fights a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, Nunn antwhere in the world, who wins.

Calzaghe at THEIR own admission.

Just because they have said that, doesn't make it true.

Fact is, Calzaghe wasn't around when these guys at their primes. So it's a moot point.

Calzaghe would no way have beaten Toney or Jones Jr at their primes. The latter is at Calzaghe's own admission.

I think it best to judge fighters on who they HAVE fought, not what might have been if they were around 15 years earlier.

I could see Calzaghe outworking Toney at 12stone though. Toney struggled to make 12 stone and Calzaghe could just throw punches all over Toney when he does that shoulder roll.

Joe could well lose to Jones Jr but Roy would not have It easy like most of the guys he fought, mostly just taunting them Into defeat. I could see a 50/50 fight for that. Calzaghe's always tested clean too.

[Max Molyneux]

Hypocrites here do not read my posts properly either when they call me a allegedly allegedly allegedly cheerleader.

I meant that If either two comeback now, Lacy would be better than Tszyu.

Tszyu has not fought for two years and pretends to fans he might be coming back and has done nothing but go on dancing with the stars while going fat.

Lacy actually has had a fight and was winning pretty easy until his shoulder went on fought on with It.

Yes I'm well aware Kostya Tszyu was a legend.

Is that all Hatton has to go on?

Calzaghe Is mentioning Lacy less and less while Hatton and his boys keep going on about Kostya Tszyu and are that delusional that Mayweather will still consider fighting him. DLH Is past It too probably but a win over him Is bigger than Hatton's Tszyu win.

Mayweather also already beat Castillo twice.

Kostya could only comeback and be a draw, he would get beat at top 10 level.

Actually Max I said you do not read other people's posts properly before replying. Random accusations of hypocrisy should be fleshed-out, I said you are wrong, not in the pay of SN. You both show a certain blinkered approach but that is not a criminal conspiracy in my eyes.

Lacy did come back and he was poor before the shoulder went. Kostya was nursing injuries prior to the Mitchell II bout and performed spectacularly, Lacy looks awful and all we hear about is the shoulder. Fair enough but it makes you wonder who the fight-worn old man is here.

Kostya did not fight for one and a half years and looked good on his return. Simply put he is a better fighter than Lacy and will always perform as such.

If Lacy was winning so easily why did the injury tell so badly? He was strugglnig in that fight.

If Kostya is all Hatton has to go on then Calzaghe has been running on fumes his entire career because he has beaten no one that noteworthy. He never will also. Why? Because he has missed chance after chance to press his claims. See my list from the other day.

Why would Kostya not beat a Top Ten fighter?

Hatton would likely beat him again. Castillo? I would say that Ngoudjo can hit Castillo cleanly Kostya will clean his clock for him. Witter? Yes right, Tszyu throws the type of KO shots Witter dreams about, and in his dreams Witter can still only muster 3-4 a round, 99% of which miss. Hopkins? Nope. Harris? Nope. Ngoudjo? Possibly not. M'baye? Let's see if he can win one of his gimmes first.

You are going to say that Kostya is too old and it showed in the Hatton fight.

I talk to Tyson fans a fair bit and try desperately to convince them that Tyson did not enjoy a mythical 90-second prime late one night whilst f*cking Robin Givens. Every time he lost there was a pattern, not age or ring-wear. It was the same with Kostya, only he lost twice so the pattern is harder to see.

In the Hatton fight Tszyu actually fought like Tszyu when he got his space to punch. A lot of the time, though, the space was denied to him and Kostya needs a guy to step-off so he can get his range and then walk the guy down. If you crawl all over him you will beat him. Phillips did this as their fight was coming to a close and if you watch the end again you can see that Tszyu did not like to be closed-down and would effectively give in if you could do this round after round to him.

That is how you beat Kostya and Hatton did it fair and square. Crawled all over him, closed his space and made him not want to fight that fight anymore.

Tszyu is a flat-track bully, possibly the best at this in the world, deny him what he wants to do and he can be beaten.

Blinkered appraoch? I do not always defend Sports Networks actions, I agree with alot their points but I am not blinkered.

I'd say the majority here who hate SN so bad are more blinkered as some of them will believe close to anything anti Warren. I didn't say you called me a Warren cheerleader that was someone else and why should the hypocrisy be fleshed out? I wasn't talking about you when I said someone elsecalled me a Warren cheerleader.

I used that as an example when people say I don't read peoples posts yet they don't read mine clearly when I've stated I was unhappy with Joe fighting Manfredo showing I don't always defend SN like some here make out.

Yes Tszyu Is a better fighter than Lacy. I didn't say Lacy was better but Calzaghe had a win over a fresher fighter who was more active.

Well If you get a shoulder Injury of course you'll look terrible.

No Calzaghe has beaten noteworthy fighters In his own division, 12stone Is not a division full of huge names other than Joe and Kessler.

Tszyu's a good fighter and It was a good win for Hatton but why demean such a brilliant display from Calzaghe. Hatton had to go to war for that win, while Joe toyed with Lacy.

Tszyu's the better fighter obviously, but none of our best fighters have been as good as Calzaghe, boxrec uses opposition to judge fighters too harshly sometimes, Lacy was a top 3 Supermiddle at the time.

Tszyu looked great Vs Sharmba and I don't deny It was a good win for Ricky, but why demean good light welterweights like Witter, M'baye and Harris for?

Even if they lost to Tszyu guys like Witter would make Tszyu look awful. Witter's got a good chin too. M'Baye could give Tszyu a competitive fight too.

No I am not going to say Kostya was old and shown It because I said Hatton;s win was a good one.

I'd say your views about Hatton/Tszyu Is blinkered too then. I read the posts enough to see people here have double standards. Hatton won over Tszyu no doubt but It's wasn't totally fair and square he fought Dirty as well.

[Scooby Doo]

The deal is a good one for the fans - Setanta are expanding all the time and this approach into boxing will not be there last - any person who pronounces they are a boxing fan will want to watch Castillo v Hatton and regardless of how many people try to slag the fight off it is a very interesting fight.

The winner gets super fights - but what will happen to the loser?

A shrewd move by Setanta.

[Coco]

Setanda may pull in some anoraks, but it will be difficult to pull in Joe Public.
Without those bums on seats I cannot see where the money is going to be generated

[stujones]

Simple Question.....A prime Tszyu faces a prime Hatton at the MEN Arena
Who Wins?

Tszyu easy and without breaking sweat.


And as for Chavez

Now, a prime Calzaghe fights a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, Nunn antwhere in the world, who wins.

Calzaghe at THEIR own admission.

Agree regarding Tszyu/Chavez vs Hatton.

Disagree regarding Calzaghe's matches.

How many boxers say "I would have beaten so and so in his prime" when one of the fighters in question have retired. Mike Tyson on Larry Holmes "If he was at his peak, I wouldn't have stood a chance". Larry Holmes on Muhammad Ali "I PROBABLY would have beaten Muhammad in 1978"

Anyway, Tszyu/Chavez are all time greats.... Benn/Eubank etc all good fighters, but not in the league of them. What would have Hatton done vs the likes of Lloyd Honeyghun and Terry Marsh is closer to the comparisons you are making.

Now Prime Roy Jones, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard vs Joe Calzaghe.... Joe would get anhilated, without the opponent breaking a sweat.

I personally think Eubank showed in 1997, that prime for prime he would have taken Joe.

I also have never heard of Collins, Watson and Michael Nunn discuss a mythical fight with Joe Calzaghe.

[jamesmcdonnell]

Simple Question.....A prime Tszyu faces a prime Hatton at the MEN Arena
Who Wins?

Tszyu easy and without breaking sweat.


And as for Chavez

Now, a prime Calzaghe fights a prime Benn, Eubank, Collins, Watson, Nunn antwhere in the world, who wins.

Calzaghe at THEIR own admission.

Agree regarding Tszyu/Chavez vs Hatton.

Disagree regarding Calzaghe's matches.

How many boxers say "I would have beaten so and so in his prime" when one of the fighters in question have retired. Mike Tyson on Larry Holmes "If he was at his peak, I wouldn't have stood a chance". Larry Holmes on Muhammad Ali "I PROBABLY would have beaten Muhammad in 1978"

Anyway, Tszyu/Chavez are all time greats.... Benn/Eubank etc all good fighters, but not in the league of them. What would have Hatton done vs the likes of Lloyd Honeyghun and Terry Marsh is closer to the comparisons you are making.

Now Prime Roy Jones, Thomas Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard vs Joe Calzaghe.... Joe would get anhilated, without the opponent breaking a sweat.

I personally think Eubank showed in 1997, that prime for prime he would have taken Joe.

I also have never heard of Collins, Watson and Michael Nunn discuss a mythical fight with Joe Calzaghe.

I don't know about Ray Leonard beating Calzaghe at 168. Ray really had no pedigree at 168 aside from beating a mediocre and weight drained light heavyweight champ at the weight.

I also think Hatton would have given Tszyu problems at any time, though I think Tszyu would either have given him a sustained beating or stopped him on cuts late on in his prime.

Hatton v Honeyghan, Honeyghan would have been far to strong and durable for Hatton at 147. Terry Marsh, hard to say really, we possibly never saw the best of Terry, whereas Hatton did beat Tszyu, no matter whether he was faded or not. Terry may have lacked the power to make Hatton pay, and Ricky's own hand and foot speed plus his aggression would probably have carried him to a 12 round decision.

Hearns or Jones at 168, I'd pick both of them to beat Calzaghe handily. Hearns would have outboxed him or bashed him up, Jones Jr would have had too much of everything, though it would have been interesting to see Jones Jr in against someone as fast as Calzaghe, I suspect joe would have been far too easy to hit though.

Calzaghe even admitted once in an interview he wouldn't have had any chace with Roy at 168, this was obviously before he lost to Tarver and Johnson.

[Autobarn]

I actually think Joe could have given Jones a very good fight. Calzaghe's fitness and workrate are better than any other super middle I've ever seen. But then again, he would never have been put into that fight, nor would he have taken a fight he could've lost.

Personally, I feel that had Nunn not frittered his career away, or had Liles been given a shot, that the Jones bandwagon may have been halted.

Hearns and Leonard are not great above junior middle despite their weight hopping. Hearns was blitzed by Barkley and totally outworked by... Barkley in a rematch.

[Max Molyneux]

You won't let it lie Max, it took you two weeks to reply and what do you say overall?

Max...meant that If either two comeback now, Lacy would be better than Tszyu.

Max Yes Tszyu Is a better fighter than Lacy. I didn't say Lacy was better but Calzaghe had a win over a fresher fighter who was more active.

Peter Buckley is active. Would you place him higher than Tszyu?

Max Well If you get a shoulder Injury of course you'll look terrible.

Yes, and that will excuse him his whole career for you. Kostya came off a injury and a lay-off to perform better than Jeff ever has or could.

You also said.

Kostya could only comeback and be a draw, he would get beat at top 10 level.

So I compare him to some of the top-ten guys around, as is my wont, and you pipe-up with.

Tszyu looked great Vs Sharmba and I don't deny It was a good win for Ricky, but why demean good light welterweights like Witter, M'baye and Harris for?

Erm, they are top ten?

I did not demean them, I pointed out how and why Kostya is better than them and would beat them even now.

Max Tszyu's the better fighter obviously, but none of our best fighters have been as good as Calzaghe, boxrec uses opposition to judge fighters too harshly sometimes, Lacy was a top 3 Supermiddle at the time.

Yes but Kostya was #1 at the time in his weight across the board. For Calzaghe a fight against a #3 guy is a massive step to be taken once or twice a career. Now Kessler is, arguably, #1 and finally the penny has dropped but is Kessler comparable to a Tszyu?

Max I'd say your views about Hatton/Tszyu Is blinkered too then. I read the posts enough to see people here have double standards. Hatton won over Tszyu no doubt but It's wasn't totally fair and square he fought Dirty as well.

Blinkered? Or objective enough to see that Castillo, despite the grumbles, is better than Manfredo and Bika?

Calzaghe was penalised in the Lacy fight for hitting him illegally. Then came out and laughed it off saying he does it when outclassing kids in the gym. I think you ought to consider that statement about dirty fighters Max.

You could take another two weeks to mull it all over.

Two weeks because I never noticed It.

Lacy was looking good In his fights too the difference Is Tszyu Is more proven to be a better fighter and achieved more.

Lacy would be better now but years ago Tszyu would of been better If they were on the comeback trail. Tszyu's not fought for 2 years and Is around 37 so by logic Lacy would be better on the comeback trail now.

I missed out a few things posting too fast but I've added them now and I stand by that Calzaghe's win was as good regardless of name, Lacy was active yes, but I forgot to say he was looking good too.

No the shoulder Injury would only excuse him for the Tyspko rematch.

No way will Tszyu be able to beat Witter or M'Baye even now straight away. He'd need a few tune ups to show how much he has left In him. But demeaning to say things like Tszyu throws shots that Witter could dream about.

Lacy wasn't a massive step up he was just a needed fight because Joe was stepping down against terrible opponent. Joe was no 1 even before the Lacy fight on experience compared to the other champs back then after Ottke retired.

No Kessler Is not comparible to to Tszyu, different weight classes. Tszyu's more a timing fighter while Kessler has a style that works off the jab stepping In and out with mostly straight shots. Tszyu handles being pressured better too.

Namewise yes Castillo Is better but I never mentioned him. I was talking about how you said Hatton fair and sqaure but he fouled a lot too. Yes Calzaghe did an Illegal punch and was penalised.

Now while only doing one Illegal shot doesn't make him better or justisfy Hatton's mutiple fouls he never needed excessive fouls and holding to beat Lacy.

Yes, I don't deny Joe has done some fouling, I think he mentioned the kids In the gym thing In his new book I have considered It and I don't deny It. He didn't need to do It to win like Hatton did though.

What fighter hasn't fouled? Calzaghe was outclassing Lacy clean as well while Hatton was having a war and some fouling to win.

I only posted now because I didn't notice It and I can post back when ever I like, thats Irrelevant.

[jamesmcdonnell]

I actually think Joe could have given Jones a very good fight. Calzaghe's fitness and workrate are better than any other super middle I've ever seen. But then again, he would never have been put into that fight, nor would he have taken a fight he could've lost.

Personally, I feel that had Nunn not frittered his career away, or had Liles been given a shot, that the Jones bandwagon may have been halted.

Hearns and Leonard are not great above junior middle despite their weight hopping. Hearns was blitzed by Barkley and totally outworked by... Barkley in a rematch.

good points, I completely forgot about Barkley! Yep, Hearns came crashing down like a carpenters rule in the 1st! Of course, Barkley was a big rough tough slugger who could absorb a fearsome beating. He was getting cut to ribbons by Hearns in that first fight.

I agree that neither man was a true 168 lber, but then you look at what Hearns went and did to Dennis Andries at 175, and you would have to give him a shot against Calzaghe.

Looking at Hearns' career, he went through a strange patch. He beats Andries at 175, then drops down to 160 to fight Roldan and wins, then loses to Barkley at 160, before moving up to 168 to fight Kinchen ( a fight I remember very well, I can remember saying he threw 'everthing but the kinchen sink at him').

I wonder if Hearns wasn't weight drained at 160 given his fights afterward. By the 2nd Barklay fight, hearns was almost 36 and pretty shopworn I dare say.

By the time Hearns was fighting at 168 he was past him prime anyhow, so perhaps it's unfair to say he would have given Calzaghe trouble, Calzaghe is nothing if not a career 168 lber, with a proven track record.

[boxingchat]

Castillo is shot too IMO and he'll probably still beat Hatton. But if he doesn't it's hardly an earth shattering win for Hatton is it?

THJAT AOBUT SUMS YOU UP REALLY.

if Ricky wins then casitllo is shot, if Hatton loses he never was any good.

what a cancerous prick you are.

Boxing Chat, please could you inform me what on earth do you know about boxing? yes you are very good, no you are the master of wind ups around here but you really know eff all other than sucking your bosses cock.

Unlike you, you couldn't write everything I know about Boxing on the back of a Postage stamp using a marker pen. Did you even follow it before 2000, in fact, when was the first time you ever saw a live fight Spud?

[stujones]

I actually think Joe could have given Jones a very good fight. Calzaghe's fitness and workrate are better than any other super middle I've ever seen. But then again, he would never have been put into that fight, nor would he have taken a fight he could've lost.

Personally, I feel that had Nunn not frittered his career away, or had Liles been given a shot, that the Jones bandwagon may have been halted.

Hearns and Leonard are not great above junior middle despite their weight hopping. Hearns was blitzed by Barkley and totally outworked by... Barkley in a rematch.

good points, I completely forgot about Barkley! Yep, Hearns came crashing down like a carpenters rule in the 1st! Of course, Barkley was a big rough tough slugger who could absorb a fearsome beating. He was getting cut to ribbons by Hearns in that first fight.

I agree that neither man was a true 168 lber, but then you look at what Hearns went and did to Dennis Andries at 175, and you would have to give him a shot against Calzaghe.

Looking at Hearns' career, he went through a strange patch. He beats Andries at 175, then drops down to 160 to fight Roldan and wins, then loses to Barkley at 160, before moving up to 168 to fight Kinchen ( a fight I remember very well, I can remember saying he threw 'everthing but the kinchen sink at him').

I wonder if Hearns wasn't weight drained at 160 given his fights afterward. By the 2nd Barklay fight, hearns was almost 36 and pretty shopworn I dare say.

By the time Hearns was fighting at 168 he was past him prime anyhow, so perhaps it's unfair to say he would have given Calzaghe trouble, Calzaghe is nothing if not a career 168 lber, with a proven track record.

Hearns was a strange one to fathom just exactly how far gone was he. He was a little younger than 36 when he fought Barkley in the rematch (33). His fight previous, he had just beaten Virgil Hill quite convincingly (possibly his last great performance). Maybe that was Hearns' last great hurrah. Anyway, I think Hearns vs Barkley II was a VERY close fight that could have gone either way... and I am sure Hearns would never be right to face Barkley ever after such a KO. I suspect that after such a KO that Barkley may have always had his number and his performance reminded me a little bit like Roy Jones' third match with Tarver. Hearns/Jones at times showed flashes of why they are leagues above their nemisis, but psychologically more pleased to finish the fight on their feet than go for the win.

I definately think Hearns was weight drained vs Barkley in match one.... He was pretty shaky vs Roladan.. But then fought well(ish) vs Leonard in the rematch at the same weight, although I still think the fight was Leonard's for the taking after the 5th but he went for the KO instead of just winning the rounds. I still think a draw isn't the robbery it is made out to be.

[Scooby Doo]

THJAT AOBUT SUMS YOU UP REALLY.

if Ricky wins then casitllo is shot, if Hatton loses he never was any good.

what a cancerous prick you are.

Boxing Chat, please could you inform me what on earth do you know about boxing? yes you are very good, no you are the master of wind ups around here but you really know eff all other than sucking your bosses cock.

Unlike you, you couldn't write everything I know about Boxing on the back of a Postage stamp using a marker pen. Did you even follow it before 2000, in fact, when was the first time you ever saw a live fight Spud?

Spud?

What is the pre-requisite number of years you have to watch boxing before you can call yourself a fan?

[thepocketrocket]

Anyone who tries to run Hatton_Castillo down as a fight is a complete knob and has an agenda!!!

[Autobarn]

I actually think Joe could have given Jones a very good fight. Calzaghe's fitness and workrate are better than any other super middle I've ever seen. But then again, he would never have been put into that fight, nor would he have taken a fight he could've lost.

Personally, I feel that had Nunn not frittered his career away, or had Liles been given a shot, that the Jones bandwagon may have been halted.

Hearns and Leonard are not great above junior middle despite their weight hopping. Hearns was blitzed by Barkley and totally outworked by... Barkley in a rematch.

good points, I completely forgot about Barkley! Yep, Hearns came crashing down like a carpenters rule in the 1st! Of course, Barkley was a big rough tough slugger who could absorb a fearsome beating. He was getting cut to ribbons by Hearns in that first fight.

I agree that neither man was a true 168 lber, but then you look at what Hearns went and did to Dennis Andries at 175, and you would have to give him a shot against Calzaghe.

Looking at Hearns' career, he went through a strange patch. He beats Andries at 175, then drops down to 160 to fight Roldan and wins, then loses to Barkley at 160, before moving up to 168 to fight Kinchen ( a fight I remember very well, I can remember saying he threw 'everthing but the kinchen sink at him').

I wonder if Hearns wasn't weight drained at 160 given his fights afterward. By the 2nd Barklay fight, hearns was almost 36 and pretty shopworn I dare say.

By the time Hearns was fighting at 168 he was past him prime anyhow, so perhaps it's unfair to say he would have given Calzaghe trouble, Calzaghe is nothing if not a career 168 lber, with a proven track record.

I can imagine Hearns timing Calzaghe's stationary unprotected head and getting him out of there. But then again I can imagine Hearns going for broke, not getting the KO, getting tired and panicking. I saw his junior middle fight with Mark Medal. A decent fighter. Hearns battered him in round one but when the KO didn't come he was SHITTING HIMSELF. If Hearns couldn't stop Joe, Joe would make mincemeat out of him as Tommy was a fragile guy who possibly didn't recover 100% mentally after the first Leonard fight.

I think the guy to beat Leonard, Hearns & Jones was Nunn - if he'd stayed in shape. Nunn was awesome against Tate, Kalambay, Roldan and Barkley.

Anyway, I think Hearns vs Barkley II was a VERY close fight that could have gone either way...

I disagree. Hearns is no Toney (tuck up on ropes, slip, counter, wear the other guy down and score a late stoppage with short punches). Tommy laying on the ropes in an alarm signal because he was a long range fighter and he was pretty badly outworked. I could never fathom anyone ever saying it was even close apart from the Tommy sentimentalists.

But then fought well(ish) vs Leonard in the rematch at the same weight, although I still think the fight was Leonard's for the taking after the 5th but he went for the KO instead of just winning the rounds. I still think a draw isn't the robbery it is made out to be.

the draw never bothered me either. the argument for tommy robbery is a) he was outjabbing Leonard all night, & b) he socred 2x knockdowns. Yet many of Hearns' jabs fell short, one of his knockdowns was questionable (his hand brushing top of SRL's head) and Leonard battered Hearns so badly in 2 or 3 rounds that some could be 10-8'ers.

[Max Molyneux]

Lacy was looking good In his fights too the difference Is Tszyu Is more proven to be a better fighter and achieved more.

Yes Lacy was looking good, guess what happened then? Tszyu did it over a prolonged period. So he really was good as opposed to looking it.

Lacy would be better now but years ago Tszyu would of been better If they were on the comeback trail. Tszyu's not fought for 2 years and Is around 37 so by logic Lacy would be better on the comeback trail now.

Anyone speak this language? I may need an interpreter for this one. Are you saying Lacy is looking better on the comeback trail? Not so far. Are you saying Lacy will be able to box when 37? Judging by his last fights he will be lucky to be walking and talking at the same time at 37.

No way will Tszyu be able to beat Witter or M'Baye even now straight away. He'd need a few tune ups to show how much he has left In him. But demeaning to say things like Tszyu throws shots that Witter could dream about.

It is not demeaning it is true. Witter is a KO artist with no lead in his pencil at anything other than Euro-level. I imagine Witter dreamt about clipping Judah with the odd decent right hand.

Lacy wasn't a massive step up he was just a needed fight because Joe was stepping down against terrible opponent. Joe was no 1 even before the Lacy fight on experience compared to the other champs back then after Ottke retired.

So Ottke retires and Joe goes to #1 by default. I imagine Pundit will be happy with you today.

No Kessler Is not comparible to to Tszyu, different weight classes. Tszyu's more a timing fighter while Kessler has a style that works off the jab stepping In and out with mostly straight shots. Tszyu handles being pressured better too.

Tszyu handles being pressured? Nope. Phillips and Hatton both took his shots and put pressure on him and he did not like it. Tszyu handles you best if you move away from him.

What fighter hasn't fouled? Calzaghe was outclassing Lacy clean as well while Hatton was having a war and some fouling to win.

According to you before fouling was wrong, until I pointed out what happened in your favourite fight.

The fight with Kostya was tough but a war? Tszyu picked some lovely shots mid-rounds but it was not a war. Hatton was rough with a tough fighter, it is a mans game, he got hit low so did the same back. Joe decided to foul a guy who was to all extents and purposes gone.

No I'm saying If both come back now then by logic Lacy will look better since he's younger and fresher while Tszyu has gone overweight a little and not fought for 2 years and Is a 37 year old veteran. Unless he proved otherwise anyway.

Witter Is more than Euro level and he took the Judah fight on 2 weeks notice, he can't afford to turn down paydays like Hatton can.

Well Joe became champ before Ottke, but Ottke gave an arguement to be No 1 too when he unfied so It's arguable that either was No 1 at the time only because Ottke held two belts though. Joe never got gift decisions though or cried to the ref. Joe was and still Is more dominant.

Pundit back tracks he was going with Lacy winning like the rest and was exposed In an old thread somewhere and then Joe won so he went with Kessler like most are now.

Aye, I was wrong on Tszyu handling pressure he still gave Hatton a tough one still.

Kessler's showing weakness on the back foot too from watching the Andrade fight although he easily beat Andrade otherwise.

I wasn't the one saying Hatton won fair and square though and I didn't defend Calzaghe hitting Lacy like that.

In my opinion It was war like, Hatton while piling on the pressure was taking some right hands and the marks they had afterwards shown It. Tszyu and Hatton where as bad with the fouling no matter who fouls more I'd say It's as bad.

I don't defend Calzaghe's foul either, he was rightfully deducted a point, there was no deductions, just warnings for Ricky and Kostya.

[boxingchat]

Boxing Chat, please could you inform me what on earth do you know about boxing? yes you are very good, no you are the master of wind ups around here but you really know eff all other than sucking your bosses cock.

Unlike you, you couldn't write everything I know about Boxing on the back of a Postage stamp using a marker pen. Did you even follow it before 2000, in fact, when was the first time you ever saw a live fight Spud?

Spud?

What is the pre-requisite number of years you have to watch boxing before you can call yourself a fan?

A fan? no time at all but in order to have an opinion and a knowlege of the workings of the sport you must first serve an apprenticeship and you have not. In any case six years as a hired 'joey' and 'groupie' does not qualify you to have a respected opinion either.

That answers your question now my question to you Spud is a scientific one, How much longer does your head need to evolve before YOU can call yourself as Human Being?

[Autobarn]

have setanta got any kind of detailed boxing schedule? also, what are they doing to promote their boxing coverage - my guess is more than slipping out enough info for us boxing forum ppl?

[m1kee50]

A fan? no time at all but in order to have an opinion and a knowlege of the workings of the sport you must first serve an apprenticeship and you have not. In any case six years as a hired 'joey' and 'groupie' does not qualify you to have a respected opinion either.

thats most of this forum's opinions riduculed then... anyone else you feel like disrespecting today, apart from the people who pay your wages? who respects your opinion on here anyway? you dont seem to have one of your own...

[fried bread]

you can't criticise shit matchups and wasted talent unless you're an insider! ha

anyone with half an A level in media studies and an interest in pugilism can see through the rubbish that's been on ITV & how it can be improved.

[leforge]

I just taken the plunge, you can cancel after a month on Virgin.