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mickeybeard wrote:Agreed. When I was young I drank to get pissed. I got bored of that pretty quickly, and while I continued to drink until I got pissed, I grew out of the whole hammering shots in the early evening thing.

There always have been, and there always will be, people who see booze as the be-all-and-end-all of a night out, rather than a means to an end. I suspect the 'rise' in binge drinking has as much to do with the fact that programmes like Booze Britain litter the TV schedules now. I know that Union St in Plymouth was just as bad in the early 90s that it is now, in terms of people staggering about pissed. And considerably worse in terms of people hopped up on speed and 'roids and looking to glass someone.

Apparently anyone that drinks more than 8 pints is a fool. Well, I must be a fool, because I still do that occasionally, and I did it 3-5 times a week as a younger man. Still, I'm a fool with decent degree, a job I enjoy, and a fianceé. I've had two friends that have been addicted to alchohol - one still is - so I know how horrific it can be, but for every person who's life is ruined by booze, there are many more that just enjoy it for what it is. Booze didn't turn me into an alchie, happy pills didn't turn me into a drug addict, horror movies didn't turn me into a psycho, hip hop music didn't turn me into a gangster, and having gay mates didn't turn me into a bumlord. Funny how life turns out, isn't it?

What's happened to Scott is terrible, but if things were as simple as money + time = hopeless pisshead, then every boxer, footballer ore person in the media would be fucked, and the Priory would have franchises in every major city. Maybe he has an addictive personality, maybe he is a poor judge of character who is easily swayed by peer pressure. Chances are , though, that he was made that way and, if he wasn't a famous boxer-turned-pisshead, he might just be a ned in a park with a bottle of Buckie.

PS- this isn't a dig at WW (although I'm sure it reads that way). I'm just trying to add a little balance to the debate about the 'evils of alcohol'

Everyone has a right to express their opinion and no I didnt see it as a personal dig and I am glad you added your point of view - I wrote what I did for two reasons mainly, to point out anyone can become an alcoholic even successful people not just morons - I also wanted to warn people about the dangers excessive drinking and if just one person is now thinking twice about their consumtion of alcohol it was worth my time and effort - My name is Waylon and I didnt get dubbed Wild for nothing - I was associated with the music business for years and still am in a part time sort of way - It was the so called swinging sixties and we tried every bloody thing available and drank like there was no tomorrow - I survived but some didnt - Like you I went to university and got a degree which wasnt easy in those days comming from a working class background - These days thankfully kids from comprehensive schools have the opportunity to go to university but in those days most came from public schools and a few from grammer schools - I worked as a doorman and a barman to pay my way, while other youngsters got healthy handouts from their rich parents - I didnt really get settled into my career until I was in my mid thirties because of my wild ways - My work is pretty serious stuff working with mentally ill people so from say 36 onwards I have had to live in a very different way - I am quite aware 8 pints on a night out is pretty common these days but it isnt to be recommended for various reasons - I am also aware heavy drinking is nothing new, after all we did it back in the days of real rock n roll - Yes a lot of sloe gin was consumed over 100 years ago by the working classes because it was a cheap hit - Surely we need to learn from the past and in this day and age we have a lot more information about the dangers of drinking, smoking and taking drugs - When I was young there were no warnings at all and parents often encouraged kids to drink and smoke - I am over sixty and if I had known I was going to live this long I would have taken better care of myself LOL

mickeybeard wrote: Booze didn't turn me into an alchie, happy pills didn't turn me into a drug addict, horror movies didn't turn me into a psycho, hip hop music didn't turn me into a gangster, and having gay mates didn't turn me into a bumlord.

Don't worry, Mickey. Plenty of time yet. 8)

oliverfennell wrote:

Ian 'Mr' McNeilly wrote:Drink's shite ... curbs your creative spark.

Disagree. When the mood is right, I can be at my most creative with a few jars in me. And is it any coincidence some of history's most renowned artists, writers, musicians and actors were big drinkers?

I'm willing to wager few writers wrote anything worth reading when they were pissed.

I can't write for toffee when I'm lashed, though some might say my standard is no better whilst sober.

There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

WildWaylon wrote:There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

This sounds far fetched to say the least.........

E wrote:

WildWaylon wrote:There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

This sounds far fetched to say the least.........

Well, I am not in the habit of telling lies - I had a letter published in the London Evening Standard in which I used that expression to describe workmen who were doing very shoddy work, and only months later everyone was using it - Friends who read the article later credited me with the creation of the expression - So they are the facts its up to you if you think its bullshit, far fetched or whatever - If I am wrong and it orinated in another way I can only say its one hell of a coincidence - I certainly didnt visit the patents office - Its strange how words come about and the origin of hooligan is a good example - An Irish family called Hooligan were always in trouble and became quite famous for always being in court - A judge was passing sentence on a man totally unconnected with the family and said in his summing up " You have behaved like a Hooligan" - This quote appeared in a newspaper and was soon adopted as an expression to describe anybody whos behaviour is bad.

livingstone cole wrote:

WildWaylon wrote:There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

That's nothing, you should have seen the size of the fish I caught last week.

This story does have an alcohol connection - I had just bought some premises and I hired a team of painters who were working through the night - Having been out for a meal I decided to drop in and see how they were getting on - It was around 1am and the painters had a couple of crates of beer with them - When I arrived they were pissing about flicking paint at each other and making one hell of a row - The next day I rang their boss to say their behaviour was similar to that of a bunch of drunken cowboys - Having been to Texas and seen how drunken cowboys behave, to me it was very similar - I wrote a letter to the London Evening Standard saying there needs to be a symbol or something that shows a company meets a certain standard of workmanship and outlined my experiance using the expression cowboys - To my surprise they published my letter agreeing something was needed to help people select builders, painters etc - In those days I was young and had fire in my belly, I wanted to see change so I wrote letters to MPs newspapers and companies hoping they would listen - Please read my other reply.

WildWaylon wrote:

E wrote:

WildWaylon wrote:There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

This sounds far fetched to say the least.........

Well, I am not in the habit of telling lies - I had a letter published in the London Evening Standard in which I used that expression to describe workmen who were doing very shoddy work, and only months later everyone was using it - Friends who read the article later credited me with the creation of the expression - So they are the facts its up to you if you think its bullshit, far fetched or whatever - If I am wrong and it orinated in another way I can only say its one hell of a coincidence - I certainly didnt visit the patents office - Its strange how words come about and the origin of hooligan is a good example - An Irish family called Hooligan were always in trouble and became quite famous for always being in court - A judge was passing sentence on a man totally unconnected with the family and said in his summing up " You have behaved like a Hooligan" - This quote appeared in a newspaper and was soon adopted as an expression to describe anybody whos behaviour is bad.

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hooligan

1890s, of unknown origin, first found in British newspaper police-court reports in the summer of 1898, almost certainly from the surname Houlihan, supposedly from a lively family of that name in London (who figured in music hall songs of the decade). Internationalized 20c. in communist rhetoric as Rus. khuligan, opprobrium for "scofflaws, political dissenters, etc."

Watched it today myself, love that show, love seeing those scumbags faces when they get turned over.

Some wanka who was selling 'magic beds' to women with Alzhemiers for anything up to £4000 a time, for something which only cost £800, fucka was making 150K a year out of it too. How the frigg can someone live with themselves making their living like that?

Terry D wrote:

WildWaylon wrote:There was a time when I wrote quite a lot - I wrote something back in 1969 and without going into a lot of detail I used the expression "cowboys" referring to people who did a shoddy job - Afterwards I felt a little embarrassed thinking people would view the word in this connection as silly and stupid but instead it caught on and within months became very popular - Maybe I didnt write a hit song or a famous poem but I suppose I have added something to the English language as daft as it may be.

Nice one, that msut be pretty ace WW. You must watch every single episode of 'Rouge Traders' also

Thanks for the reply Terry but I cant actually claim to have seen even one episode - I watch very little TV, except for boxing of course and Nat Geo Wild, Attenborough etc and the news. Regards Waylon (not really wild anymore thats in the distant past)

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Watched it today myself, love that show, love seeing those scumbags faces when they get turned over.

Some wanka who was selling 'magic beds' to women with Alzhemiers for anything up to £4000 a time, for something which only cost £800, fucka was making 150K a year out of it too. How the frigg can someone live with themselves making their living like that?

I think if I watched that the "wild" in me might just return - I cant stand anyone who exploits others especially the sick and elderly - I had a con man at my door last year - The last thing he expected from a man over sixty was to be grabbed by the throat and pushed through the front gate. Waylon

WildWaylon wrote:

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Watched it today myself, love that show, love seeing those scumbags faces when they get turned over.

Some wanka who was selling 'magic beds' to women with Alzhemiers for anything up to £4000 a time, for something which only cost £800, fucka was making 150K a year out of it too. How the frigg can someone live with themselves making their living like that?

I think if I watched that the "wild" in me might just return - I cant stand anyone who exploits others especially the sick and elderly - I had a con man at my door last year - The last thing he expected from a man over sixty was to be grabbed by the throat and pushed through the front gate. Waylon

I hate the way the elderly are treated in this country - opinions not respected, meagre pensions robbed by Gordon Brown,poor care and housing whilst health tourists and immigrants get priority.

In past times old people were respected for their wisdom and experience.

When I'm an old pudendum I'm carrying a swordstick - and will happily run though any 'youths' who take the piss...