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calmac66 wrote:

tunacatcher wrote:

calmac66 wrote:Way better then cool willie. I like Kickett and I can see him going on to do great things but I just hope he is viewing Mundines career as an example of what NOT to do with your talents.

The whiteness is pouring through in your words! So what has been wrong with Mundines career? For a guy with limited amateur experience to make the step up to the paid ranks like he has is pretty exceptional. What don't you like? That he has been outspoken? Like Ali? Given his particular world view? You do realize he couldn't give a shite what Joe public thinks re his particular life truths. For they are his truths re his lot in Australia.

Just FYI mate, I am aboriginal, my mother is a Dungatti women from Kempsey so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to start chucking the race card at everyone that thinks Mundines career has been sub-par.

Also, no one here is accusing Mundine of lacking talent, quite the opposite in fact. And I know you seem to be an expert so you probably already no this but the general rule is you fight a few cans on your way to claiming a title. You don't fight cans, win a title, then defend against cans. A world title fight should not be viewed as a "stop gap fight".

So your a Dungatti! Big deal!! I know heaps of sell outs! Mundine won't be rushing that is assured by the fact he is unsure how his eye will fare againt top opposition. Something I thought was abundantly obvious. However I fully understand the expectation of an outspoken Aboriginal fighter is different to that of other world class Australian peers. If he took the uncle Tom line and played compliant Aboriginal boy he would be middle Australian darling. I can assure you this! Mundine will be fighting two world class fighters this year. One is already penciled in.

tunacatcher wrote:

calmac66 wrote:

tunacatcher wrote: The whiteness is pouring through in your words! So what has been wrong with Mundines career? For a guy with limited amateur experience to make the step up to the paid ranks like he has is pretty exceptional. What don't you like? That he has been outspoken? Like Ali? Given his particular world view? You do realize he couldn't give a shite what Joe public thinks re his particular life truths. For they are his truths re his lot in Australia.

Just FYI mate, I am aboriginal, my mother is a Dungatti women from Kempsey so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to start chucking the race card at everyone that thinks Mundines career has been sub-par.

Also, no one here is accusing Mundine of lacking talent, quite the opposite in fact. And I know you seem to be an expert so you probably already no this but the general rule is you fight a few cans on your way to claiming a title. You don't fight cans, win a title, then defend against cans. A world title fight should not be viewed as a "stop gap fight".

So your a Dungatti! Big deal!! I know heaps of sell outs! Mundine won't be rushing that is assured by the fact he is unsure how his eye will fare againt top opposition. Something I thought was abundantly obvious. However I fully understand the expectation of an outspoken Aboriginal fighter is different to that of other world class Australian peers. If he took the uncle Tom line and played compliant Aboriginal boy he would be middle Australian darling. I can assure you this! Mundine will be fighting two world class fighters this year. One is already penciled in.

So just to clarify, I'm a sellout because I don't think Mundine is the greatest boxer ever produced and that his resume is impeccable??? You are the only person in this thread that has brought race into it. I don't give a fornicate if he is koori, kenyan or kyrgystani, he has the talent but he is only in it for the money, his legacy will be one of wasted talent. And also, if he was white and made some of the stupid comments that he has made he would still be villified in the press, granted probably not as much but he would still cop it.

Let me ask you something, when has Mundine really tested himself and come out on top? Can you think of any fights apart from maybe the Green fight?

calmac66 wrote:

tunacatcher wrote:

calmac66 wrote: Just FYI mate, I am aboriginal, my mother is a Dungatti women from Kempsey so maybe you shouldn't be so quick to start chucking the race card at everyone that thinks Mundines career has been sub-par.

Also, no one here is accusing Mundine of lacking talent, quite the opposite in fact. And I know you seem to be an expert so you probably already no this but the general rule is you fight a few cans on your way to claiming a title. You don't fight cans, win a title, then defend against cans. A world title fight should not be viewed as a "stop gap fight".

So your a Dungatti! Big deal!! I know heaps of sell outs! Mundine won't be rushing that is assured by the fact he is unsure how his eye will fare againt top opposition. Something I thought was abundantly obvious. However I fully understand the expectation of an outspoken Aboriginal fighter is different to that of other world class Australian peers. If he took the uncle Tom line and played compliant Aboriginal boy he would be middle Australian darling. I can assure you this! Mundine will be fighting two world class fighters this year. One is already penciled in.

So just to clarify, I'm a sellout because I don't think Mundine is the greatest boxer ever produced and that his resume is impeccable??? You are the only person in this thread that has brought race into it. I don't give a eff if he is koori, kenyan or kyrgystani, he has the talent but he is only in it for the money, his legacy will be one of wasted talent. And also, if he was white and made some of the stupid comments that he has made he would still be villified in the press, granted probably not as much but he would still cop it.

Let me ask you something, when has Mundine really tested himself and come out on top? Can you think of any fights apart from maybe the Green fight?

FFS! What the hell is wrong with an athlete in his prime trying to cash in on his stellar talent? Is the trick not to? To minimize his earning capacity? To make as little as possible in a sport where his shelf life is maybe 10 years? Re his legacy "will be one of wasted talent" says who? Name another athlete in Australian history who has played NRL at the highest level and State of Origin then when on to fight for world titles? Re has he tested "himself"? Kessler, Siaca, Echols, Soliman, Ottke- all world title holders and or challengers. Not bad for a cat that has been in the game for less then 7 years. To be professionally where he is in less then seven years is simply unheard of. You uncle Tom.

^He said when has he tested himself and come out on top. You mentioned three blokes who beat him one of which he said punched like a girl only to be knocked out cold by him. Echols was literally shot... keep trying...

Mundine would make more money fighting decent challengers than scrubs, I can assure you of that.

I am also interested who the world class fighter who is "already penciled in" is???

tunacatcher wrote:

calmac66 wrote:

tunacatcher wrote: So your a Dungatti! Big deal!! I know heaps of sell outs! Mundine won't be rushing that is assured by the fact he is unsure how his eye will fare againt top opposition. Something I thought was abundantly obvious. However I fully understand the expectation of an outspoken Aboriginal fighter is different to that of other world class Australian peers. If he took the uncle Tom line and played compliant Aboriginal boy he would be middle Australian darling. I can assure you this! Mundine will be fighting two world class fighters this year. One is already penciled in.

So just to clarify, I'm a sellout because I don't think Mundine is the greatest boxer ever produced and that his resume is impeccable??? You are the only person in this thread that has brought race into it. I don't give a eff if he is koori, kenyan or kyrgystani, he has the talent but he is only in it for the money, his legacy will be one of wasted talent. And also, if he was white and made some of the stupid comments that he has made he would still be villified in the press, granted probably not as much but he would still cop it.

Let me ask you something, when has Mundine really tested himself and come out on top? Can you think of any fights apart from maybe the Green fight?

FFS! What the hell is wrong with an athlete in his prime trying to cash in on his stellar talent? Is the trick not to? To minimize his earning capacity? To make as little as possible in a sport where his shelf life is maybe 10 years? Re his legacy "will be one of wasted talent" says who? Name another athlete in Australian history who has played NRL at the highest level and State of Origin then when on to fight for world titles? Re has he tested "himself"? Kessler, Siaca, Echols, Soliman, Ottke- all world title holders and or challengers. Not bad for a cat that has been in the game for less then 7 years. To be professionally where he is in less then seven years is simply unheard of. You uncle Tom.

That's your response? Calling me an uncle tom? Guess what mate, lots of indigenous kids don't support Mundine, just because someone is of the same race as you doesn't mean you have to support him. I have nothing but respect for Mundine on a personal level, he has done well for himself and he isn't shy about helping out others and he doesn't do it for publicity.

Unfortunatley though, this forum is about discussing Australian boxing and when it comes to boxing Mundine has wasted his talent, he doesn't have many years left in the game and he is yet to bet a current world champion and he is yet to defend against a legitimate contender. The first time he won the vacant title he defended against Nishizawa!!!! and then lost it to Siaca. The second time he won the vacant title he defended against two Argentians who barely scraped into the top 100 and Clavero had been on a shocking run in his last seven.

Marlin wrote: Echols was literally shot...

You just love saying that, don't you.

toppity wrote:

Marlin wrote: Echols was literally shot...

You just love saying that, don't you.

Yup

calmac66 wrote:

tunacatcher wrote:

calmac66 wrote: So just to clarify, I'm a sellout because I don't think Mundine is the greatest boxer ever produced and that his resume is impeccable??? You are the only person in this thread that has brought race into it. I don't give a eff if he is koori, kenyan or kyrgystani, he has the talent but he is only in it for the money, his legacy will be one of wasted talent. And also, if he was white and made some of the stupid comments that he has made he would still be villified in the press, granted probably not as much but he would still cop it.

Let me ask you something, when has Mundine really tested himself and come out on top? Can you think of any fights apart from maybe the Green fight?

FFS! What the hell is wrong with an athlete in his prime trying to cash in on his stellar talent? Is the trick not to? To minimize his earning capacity? To make as little as possible in a sport where his shelf life is maybe 10 years? Re his legacy "will be one of wasted talent" says who? Name another athlete in Australian history who has played NRL at the highest level and State of Origin then when on to fight for world titles? Re has he tested "himself"? Kessler, Siaca, Echols, Soliman, Ottke- all world title holders and or challengers. Not bad for a cat that has been in the game for less then 7 years. To be professionally where he is in less then seven years is simply unheard of. You uncle Tom.

That's your response? Calling me an uncle tom? Guess what mate, lots of indigenous kids don't support Mundine, just because someone is of the same race as you doesn't mean you have to support him. I have nothing but respect for Mundine on a personal level, he has done well for himself and he isn't shy about helping out others and he doesn't do it for publicity.

Unfortunatley though, this forum is about discussing Australian boxing and when it comes to boxing Mundine has wasted his talent, he doesn't have many years left in the game and he is yet to bet a current world champion and he is yet to defend against a legitimate contender. The first time he won the vacant title he defended against Nishizawa!!!! and then lost it to Siaca. The second time he won the vacant title he defended against two Argentians who barely scraped into the top 100 and Clavero had been on a shocking run in his last seven.

That "indigenous" Australians kids are not supporting Mundine is indeed interesting. While Mundine is training in Redfern it simply amazes me the amount of fan fare he gets from the kids. When he returns back to the country the same applies. Guy is like the pied piper. However you have your fanciful stories and have seen what I have seen. All boxers fights Bums. That includes Ali, Pacman, Leonard and Hearns. Part and parcel of the game. Will never change. FFS the great Joe Galzaghe fought one of the contenders just last year.

Mundine has the worst schedule of any "titlist" in boxing today. Period. Its not a question for debate it is a fact.

And I should make you wash your mouth out with soap for daring to compare Bumdine's resume with that of Hearns, Leonard and Ali. Or Calzaghe for that matter.

And accusing someome who doesn't agree with your blind jockriding of being a sell-out wasn't exactly the classiest of moves.

R_jay wrote:Mundine has the worst schedule of any "titlist" in boxing today. Period. Its not a question for debate it is a fact.

And I should make you wash your mouth out with soap for daring to compare Bumdine's resume with that of Hearns, Leonard and Ali. Or Calzaghe for that matter.

And accusing someome who doesn't agree with your blind jockriding of being a sell-out wasn't exactly the classiest of moves.

This might be the first time we have agreed on something R_jay...

Well even a stopped watch is right twice a day

Marlin wrote:

R_jay wrote:Mundine has the worst schedule of any "titlist" in boxing today. Period. Its not a question for debate it is a fact.

And I should make you wash your mouth out with soap for daring to compare Bumdine's resume with that of Hearns, Leonard and Ali. Or Calzaghe for that matter.

And accusing someome who doesn't agree with your blind jockriding of being a sell-out wasn't exactly the classiest of moves.

This might be the first time we have agreed on something R_jay...

Who cares about class. I couldn't care less for sure. Look at Hearns early and latter career. Ali went on his fight a bum tour of the UK. And fought to be fair pub fighters. Sugar Ray Leonard endured much of the same criticism been leveled at Mundine. Their career had a bunch of Neville nobodies and bums. Tis the way boxing ticks over. Mundine is just a nipper when it comes to pro boxing. His career will be taken to new levels in the next three years. Christ if Mundine is a bum what does that make Danny Green and Sam Soliman?? Both world title holders and challengers. And he whupped them both soundly!

R_jay wrote:Well even a stopped watch is right twice a day

I wonder when you will be right for the second time? :P

Marlin wrote:

R_jay wrote:Well even a stopped watch is right twice a day

I wonder when you will be right for the second time? :P

I'm waiting for your 1st time...it coming soon?

tunacatcher wrote:

Marlin wrote:

R_jay wrote:Mundine has the worst schedule of any "titlist" in boxing today. Period. Its not a question for debate it is a fact.

And I should make you wash your mouth out with soap for daring to compare Bumdine's resume with that of Hearns, Leonard and Ali. Or Calzaghe for that matter.

And accusing someome who doesn't agree with your blind jockriding of being a sell-out wasn't exactly the classiest of moves.

This might be the first time we have agreed on something R_jay...

Who cares about class. I couldn't care less for sure.

That is fortuitous for you.

Seriously, you just don't know boxing. AT ALL. You couldn't tell the difference between a left hook and fish hook. One statement stands out above all others:

Sugar Ray Leonard endured much of the same criticism been leveled at Mundine.

Boooooooooooooooooooolshit.

Do you even know who Sugar Ray Leonard is?

Mundine is just a nipper when it comes to pro boxing

He's a 2-time "titlist" and an almost 8 year pro. Yet he's fighting the kind of guys that 8 fight novices are put in with. Willy Kickett just beat Tommy Browne who is about 10000000 times as accomplished as the losers Mundine is fighting. Nader Hamdan is a natural light-middle 3-2 in his last 5 fighs, 2 of those losses coming against nobodies. He was the designated fall-guy for a comebacking Mads Larsen. Tells you all you need to know.

tunacatcher wrote:

Marlin wrote:

R_jay wrote:Well even a stopped watch is right twice a day

I wonder when you will be right for the second time? :P

I'm waiting for your 1st time...it coming soon?

I haven't seen anyone agree with you on anything yet. You and TML might get along pretty well if you ever post on the current scene...

tunacatcher wrote:

Marlin wrote:

R_jay wrote:Well even a stopped watch is right twice a day

I wonder when you will be right for the second time? :P

I'm waiting for your 1st time...it coming soon?

Please stop mate. You are wrong. You claim that all great fighters have bums on the resume, that is true however the point is that Mundines resume is almost exclusively bums. Comparing him to Hearns, Hagler, Robinson etc is laughable. They took risks and they should guts. What risks has Mundine taken?

Mundineis cashing in without risks. All the greats have had to fight other greats to get real credability. I have no problem with how mundine is going about his career as long as he doesn't claim to be anything more than a good fighter cashing in. He is far from being the best australia has produced. Fenech has a much more legitimate claim to that than choc

i dunno how this turned into a mundine thread but does anyone know when kickett is ganna fight next

February 2 in Cebu City, the Phillipines, Kickett fights an eight rounder against Filipino featherweight Romeo Jakusalem on the Darchinyan/Gorres card.

Might as well get my toughts in here.

1. Mundine has never defeated the WBA title holder. He was KO'ed by Sven Ottke (IBF Champ at the time) , lost on points to Manny Siaca and Mikkel Kessler.

2. His claim to the title was won when he defeated Antwun Echols on points (In Sydney) after Sven Ottke was made Super Champ by the WBA.

3. He has only fought for the "regular" title after it was vacated by the true title holder, when they were elavated to Super Champ by the WBA. (Money making ploy by the WBA) against fighters who were less than "World" class.

4. He plays the race card (being aboriganl) only when it suits him or when he is making comments against other aboriganls. (Kathy Freeman among others)

5. His "eye injury" that everyone makes so much out of, was his own doing and was never a factor in his fights. (washed his contact lens with his mouth, then placed back into his eye) which caused a mild infection and was cleared by the doctor before his next fight. (Smart man.)

Brute wrote:February 2 in Cebu City, the Phillipines, Kickett fights an eight rounder against Filipino featherweight Romeo Jakusalem on the Darchinyan/Gorres card.

Has anyone seen Romeo? I assume it will be a step down from the rusty Tommy Browne but hopefully not too far down. I still wonder who the big name is they are talking about from him at the end of the year...

Marlin wrote:

Brute wrote:February 2 in Cebu City, the Phillipines, Kickett fights an eight rounder against Filipino featherweight Romeo Jakusalem on the Darchinyan/Gorres card.

Has anyone seen Romeo? I assume it will be a step down from the rusty Tommy Browne but hopefully not too far down. I still wonder who the big name is they are talking about from him at the end of the year...

According to Boxrec the combined record of his 7 opponents is 2-9-0, for a total of 22 rounds. It looks like it shouldn't be too hard for the The yamatji warrior.

toppity wrote:

Marlin wrote:

Brute wrote:February 2 in Cebu City, the Phillipines, Kickett fights an eight rounder against Filipino featherweight Romeo Jakusalem on the Darchinyan/Gorres card.

Has anyone seen Romeo? I assume it will be a step down from the rusty Tommy Browne but hopefully not too far down. I still wonder who the big name is they are talking about from him at the end of the year...

According to Boxrec the combined record of his 7 opponents is 2-9-0, for a total of 22 rounds. It looks like it shouldn't be too hard for the The yamatji warrior.

That is pretty much what I was afraid of...

Maybe they are taking Willie to spar with Vic and arranged a fight for him for a payday. Back in 1975 when Joe Frazier fought Jimmy Ellis at St Kilda (his last fight before the Thrilla in Manilla) an American boxer named Vernon McIntosh fought Maile Haumona on the same card. The only reason I could think for him coming here was that he was a sparring partner for Joe or Jimmy. He was not much of a fighter.