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Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 10:42
by Syntax Error
ArtOfWar wrote:Syntax Error wrote:Sadly, this fight seems to have attracted the football hooligan fraternity.
The majority of them know little about boxing & have jumped on this massive Ricky Hatton bandwagon that has been rolling around the UK.
The majority of them have probably hardly ever seen any of Ricky's fights & are only there for the ride.
I wanted Ricky to win, but I always felt that it would be a tall order & an upset if he did win.
There's been an embarrassing post fight phone-in on Talksport & the majority of callers have been shocked that Mayweather is actually a very good fighter.!
Football hooligan fraternity? Your acting like British boxing fans are a classy bunch. Maybe the small minority who go to lot's of shows are, but the large majority of boxing fans and football fans are one and the same.
No, I only meant the ones that went to see Hatton.
Boxing fans are not normally like that & this fight seemed to attract a lot of bandwagon hoppers who know very little about boxing.
I would hazard a guess that most of the so-called fans that acted like that at the weigh-in & the fight have never ever been to a Hatton fight & that's the problem.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 10:43
by silkov
lowersmiths wrote:tomkatt wrote:If you wish to boo our NATIONAL anthem go right ahead, if you wish to burn our flag go right ahead.
However I will not take it as just banter or sports. These are symbols of our nation.
I will not take it as a representation of England or the British people. Nor will I ever do it to you. I will take it as it is disrespect for our national symbols. I know you can not understand that but many of your fellow Brits can and do. So to them I say I know this in no way represents the British people or the country of England for which I have great respect.
It might surprise you to know the American press has not even mentioned the booing had I not heard about it on here, I would not have known until next week when the fight is on HBO where I can watch it.
As for boxing I was disappointed to hear Hatton lost, I sure wanted somebody the shut Mayweathers mouth for once. I think a lot of his talk is to see tickets, but I sure would like him shut up. Hatton is the best fighter in the world at 140 his moves to 147 have proven not to be the best career moves. Is there a big payday for him left at 140 though this is a business he is trying to make money at the same time. I would have loved to have seen a Gatti Vs Hatton fight now that would have been exciting.
so you didnt watch the fight and didnt see what we are talking about. you also didnt hear the american commentators condemning it and didn't hear hatton speaking out on it.
why are you on this thread?
Why is he on this thread??.... are you against free speech as well???.... you really make me laugh!!!.... I suppose you are part of the gun lobby and would like to have 'sorted out' the booing Brits eh??...
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 10:50
by lowersmiths
silkov wrote:lowersmiths wrote:tomkatt wrote:If you wish to boo our NATIONAL anthem go right ahead, if you wish to burn our flag go right ahead.
However I will not take it as just banter or sports. These are symbols of our nation.
I will not take it as a representation of England or the British people. Nor will I ever do it to you. I will take it as it is disrespect for our national symbols. I know you can not understand that but many of your fellow Brits can and do. So to them I say I know this in no way represents the British people or the country of England for which I have great respect.
It might surprise you to know the American press has not even mentioned the booing had I not heard about it on here, I would not have known until next week when the fight is on HBO where I can watch it.
As for boxing I was disappointed to hear Hatton lost, I sure wanted somebody the shut Mayweathers mouth for once. I think a lot of his talk is to see tickets, but I sure would like him shut up. Hatton is the best fighter in the world at 140 his moves to 147 have proven not to be the best career moves. Is there a big payday for him left at 140 though this is a business he is trying to make money at the same time. I would have loved to have seen a Gatti Vs Hatton fight now that would have been exciting.
so you didnt watch the fight and didnt see what we are talking about. you also didnt hear the american commentators condemning it and didn't hear hatton speaking out on it.
why are you on this thread?
Why is he on this thread??.... are you against free speech as well???.... you really make me laugh!!!.... I suppose you are part of the gun lobby and would like to have 'sorted out' the booing Brits eh??...
look mate, i like a drink and i like to shout at football. but booing national anthems really winds me up because there is absolutely no need for it. when you go to a fight abroad and it doesnt happen it really adds to the atmosphere. it's a moment of quiet and reflection before the fight starts.
i went to a fight in the usa three months ago and they played two national anthems and the americans respected both, as did the 'away' fans. a us military band led a woman singing the yank anthem and it was brilliant.
it's a fight, it's sport but there is no need to be disrespctful during those moments.
what if a bunch of americans started singing during a silence for madeline mccann or something in england? would that be only banter???? you either have respect or you dont.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 10:59
by silkov
lowersmiths wrote:silkov wrote:lowersmiths wrote:
so you didnt watch the fight and didnt see what we are talking about. you also didnt hear the american commentators condemning it and didn't hear hatton speaking out on it.
why are you on this thread?
Why is he on this thread??.... are you against free speech as well???.... you really make me laugh!!!.... I suppose you are part of the gun lobby and would like to have 'sorted out' the booing Brits eh??...
look mate, i like a drink and i like to shout at football. but booing national anthems really winds me up because there is absolutely no need for it. when you go to a fight abroad and it doesnt happen it really adds to the atmosphere. it's a moment of quiet and reflection before the fight starts.
i went to a fight in the usa three months ago and they played two national anthems and the americans respected both, as did the 'away' fans. a us military band led a woman singing the yank anthem and it was brilliant.
it's a fight, it's sport but there is no need to be disrespctful during those moments.
what if a bunch of americans started singing during a silence for madeline mccann or something in england? would that be only banter???? you either have respect or you dont.
The Madeline thing would be a totally different situation... like I keep saying there was nothing malicious behind the booing. Its a bit rich really being so sensitive about it when you see the behaviour of American fans at some boxing matches in the past which have ended in riots and gunshots etc... the Brits last night created one of the best atmospheres I've ever seen at a fight and were still singing happily even after Hatton lost, ...I think you need to toughen up a bit if youre so upset by just a few boos....
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:03
by lowersmiths
you just dont get it and im bored of trying to correct a lifetime of you missing the point.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:06
by silkov
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:14
by Carbo
lowersmiths wrote:silkov wrote:oliverfennell wrote:
Yes, and you can bet the same guys doing it or condoning it would be the first to be outraged and demand "show some f'n respect" if it was another country's supporters booing our anthem.
Bollocks!... I wouldnt give a toss if some yanks came over here and booed our anthem a bit, ....an anthem is just an anthem for Christsakes!... why take it so seriously?... if the fans had been unruly or violent or something like that then thats totally different, but a little booing of the anthem is childs play really and with all the things going on in the world today its absurd to get so wound up about it...
and that, folks, is the moron's viewpoint in a nutshell. the best thing is he doesn't even realise what is wrong with his behaviour and has absolutely no perception of how other's view his actions.
You're pissing in the wind, lowersmiths. They'll never get it.
Here's the problem with booing, Silkov: Irrespective about what you think about your national anthem, for many people, their national anthems and national flags are almost sacred symbols of national pride. When you boo them, no matter what your intentions, you are knowingly disrespecting that symbol. In doing so you show a kind of ignorant uncouthness that paints you and, by association, all British sports fans in a disparaging light.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:16
by werewolf
"Brit fans disgrace"
The only disgrace was that they didn't burn the place down and lynch Joe Cortez.
ww
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:52
by WildWaylon
werewolf wrote:"Brit fans disgrace"
The only disgrace was that they didn't burn the place down and lynch Joe Cortez.
ww
Football lout, and dont nick my WW
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 11:52
by silkov
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 12:48
by Abbo
Booing anthems is childish and devoid of any class.
Anyone that takes part, or defends it is less of a man in my book.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 12:51
by PompeyScot
Since I'm a Scot living in England, and it's obviously banter, I wonder what would happen if I went into the middle of my road during the next international and burned the St George's Flag........
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 12:57
by silkov
PompeyScot wrote:Since I'm a Scot living in England, and it's obviously banter, I wonder what would happen if I went into the middle of my road during the next international and burned the St George's Flag........
Burning flags is different to simply booing!... I didnt see anyone buring flags yesterday mate!!...
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 12:59
by PompeyScot
silkov wrote:PompeyScot wrote:Since I'm a Scot living in England, and it's obviously banter, I wonder what would happen if I went into the middle of my road during the next international and burned the St George's Flag........
Burning flags is different to simply booing!... I didnt see anyone buring flags yesterday mate!!...
Ah right, so we've narrowed it down to different levels of disrespect. Disrespecting an anthem is OK, but a flag isn't. I'm sure there's some logic in there somewhere.......
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 13:02
by silkov
PompeyScot wrote:silkov wrote:PompeyScot wrote:Since I'm a Scot living in England, and it's obviously banter, I wonder what would happen if I went into the middle of my road during the next international and burned the St George's Flag........
Burning flags is different to simply booing!... I didnt see anyone buring flags yesterday mate!!...
Ah right, so we've narrowed it down to different levels of disrespect. Disrespecting an anthem is OK, but a flag isn't. I'm sure there's some logic in there somewhere.......
Well if you cant see the difference between a couple of boos and actually setting fire to something perhaps you should have gone to school more often....
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 13:06
by TheRiverCityHippy
silkov wrote:PompeyScot wrote:silkov wrote:
Burning flags is different to simply booing!... I didnt see anyone buring flags yesterday mate!!...
Ah right, so we've narrowed it down to different levels of disrespect. Disrespecting an anthem is OK, but a flag isn't. I'm sure there's some logic in there somewhere.......
Well if you cant see the difference between a couple of boos and actually setting fire to something perhaps you should have gone to school more often....
burning the flag is a lot more extreme but both gestures basically mean the same thing - f##k your country!!
i surprised your actually defending this silkov, in my time on these boards you`ve always come across as a reasonable fella.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 13:13
by silkov
headhunter wrote:silkov wrote:PompeyScot wrote:
Ah right, so we've narrowed it down to different levels of disrespect. Disrespecting an anthem is OK, but a flag isn't. I'm sure there's some logic in there somewhere.......
Well if you cant see the difference between a couple of boos and actually setting fire to something perhaps you should have gone to school more often....
burning the flag is a lot more extreme but both gestures basically mean the same thing - f##k your country!!
i surprised your actually defending this silkov, in my time on these boards you`ve always come across as a reasonable fella.
This seems to have got a bit out of hand really, I'm defending it up to the point of saying that there wasnt anything malicious behind the booing like many posters seem to think, I agree that it was crass and childish, but it was basically some of Hattons fans trying to wind up Floyd...
I think you should look past the booing and acknowledge the good grace that the fans took the result with... the booing was childish yes, but to make a big thing/international incident over it is silly...
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 13:16
by Shirow
I was cringing when the crowd was booing and whistling but it was more beer fuelled ignorance than maliciousness.
I don't know if it's any mitigation but i'm sure they didn't think for one minute about how it would be perceived and it was just something that represented Ricky's opponent which they should show that they were against.
To me it was more of an embarrassment than a disgrace.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 14:11
by rasputin
I think the boos were aimed more towards Mayweather
than his national anthem.
If ricky was fighting a man of DLHs persona i think the
situation may have been quite different.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 14:59
by Matt W
I wasn't offended by the booing but find it to be rather pathetic. The world would be a better place if more people adopted Bills Hicks' stance on patriotism: "Am I proud to be an American? Well, I didn't have much to do with it. My parents fukced there."
I thought it was far worse for the Americans to have to see dyed ginger pube head Tom Jones... :P
I was at the Wigan show and what really did wind me up and show a complete lack of class were the 'fans' of Craig Watson that booed Ali Nuumbembe after their fight. Disgusting.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 15:00
by Matt W
In response to an earlier post I agree that when visiting the US the people are very friendly and go out of their way to make you feel welcome in their country. We could learn a lot from them.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 15:23
by clwelle
I dont know how Brits feel about their flag and anthem, but in America it means a lot more than simple patriotism. It stands for all the people that have given their lives over the years for our country. All the people who have lost their lives just because theyre American, like 9/11. It sometimes bring athletes and others to tears when hearing the anthem and remembering those who died for it. By booing the anthem, you arent disrespecting me or a piece of cloth or a song, youre disrespecting those who have fallen. Personally, I thought it was ridiculous, especially when thinking about how many Americans have died alongside Brits over the years...
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 15:31
by Matt W
Did anyone else think it strange Floyd entered to Born In The USA? Isn't that an anti-American song?
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 15:36
by n1ebf
clwelle wrote:I dont know how Brits feel about their flag and anthem, but in America it means a lot more than simple patriotism. It stands for all the people that have given their lives over the years for our country. All the people who have lost their lives just because theyre American, like 9/11. It sometimes bring athletes and others to tears when hearing the anthem and remembering those who died for it. By booing the anthem, you arent disrespecting me or a piece of cloth or a song, youre disrespecting those who have fallen. Personally, I thought it was ridiculous, especially when thinking about how many Americans have died alongside Brits over the years...
Unfortunately these morons from my homeland will have been ignorant to all of the sentiments you have expressed above.
Although you should never boo anyone's national anthem I am inclined to agree that many of them will have been directing the booing at Mayweather rather than at the anthem.
However even on that subject the booing of a boxer into the ring just because he is the opponent or the boxer you're supporting I find equally as disgusting. It fails to respect the fact that BOTH men (or women) are in there putting it on the line, not just yours. You don't have to cheer and get behind them, just a simple, brief round of applause out of respect is plenty.
Posted: 09 Dec 2007, 15:39
by n1ebf
Matt W wrote:Did anyone else think it strange Floyd entered to Born In The USA? Isn't that an anti-American song?
ah yes.........I thought that was a strange one........not sure about anti-american or whatever but it seems a million miles removed from all this ghetto hype. It's like mainstream rock/pop.....to me it looked like a blatant way of getting as many Americans "on-side" and behind him, not just on the night but also in terms of salvaging a semblance of popularity for the sake of his future business interests in his own country. To me anyway.
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