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BoxBuzz wrote:Hmmm well I think he was being distracted by a pretty woman ringside,

But as you have pointed out before his style along with is arrogance could combine to create that "hole" or "oversight" you make such a big deal of. That makes him on occasion uniquely susceptible to the left hook.

I've never quite bought it....though that may have been a bit of a weakness and those with the best LH's got through on occasion the fact is that he avoided far more than got through. And with Frazier he was of course the best of the best in that dept.

Anyway I know where this goes...Ali's no good, he's an abomination, he had no skills, he was a fraud, he really didnt' care if your kids lived with roaches...yadda yadda yadda.

I'd have to see the Banks film at the moment of KD to know if he was inhaling or exhaling at the time. I suppose I should ask you what Banks was doing at the exact moment that Ali Knocked him down. Would you need to refer to the film? Or does the fact that Ali was knocked down in this fight make it such a sentinel moment that you have memorized every bit of it?

If so it must be painful to see that Banks KD and the finale of the TKO. My condolences to you on that.

And granberry, I really do believe that Ali did not want you livin' with roaches. But that's just one man's opinion.

granberry wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:Hmmm well I think he was being distracted by a pretty woman ringside,

But as you have pointed out before his style along with is arrogance could combine to create that "hole" or "oversight" you make such a big deal of. That makes him on occasion uniquely susceptible to the left hook.

I've never quite bought it....though that may have been a bit of a weakness and those with the best LH's got through on occasion the fact is that he avoided far more than got through. And with Frazier he was of course the best of the best in that dept.

Anyway I know where this goes...Ali's no good, he's an abomination, he had no skills, he was a fraud, he really didnt' care if your kids lived with roaches...yadda yadda yadda.

I'd have to see the Banks film at the moment of KD to know if he was inhaling or exhaling at the time. I suppose I should ask you what Banks was doing at the exact moment that Ali Knocked him down. Would you need to refer to the film? Or does the fact that Ali was knocked down in this fight make it such a sentinel moment that you have memorized every bit of it?

If so it must be painful to see that Banks KD and the finale of the TKO. My condolences to you on that.

And granberry, I really do believe that Ali did not want you livin' with roaches. But that's just one man's opinion.

I have asked buzz 5 times what Ali was doing at the exact moment Sonny Banks knocked him down with a left hook.

buzz doesn't know what boxing is, and he never will,

so he can't answer my very simple question.

As far as buzz knows, "boxing" is posting gibberish on an internet site.

buzz---the epitome of the dilletante.

BigJuicyHog wrote: Who cares what Ali was doing when he got knocked down. .

granberry wrote:Still no answer to my simple question.

And there never will be.

Because dilettantes don't ever need to learn anything about the subjects they attach themselves to like parasites.

Dilettante --a person who takes up an art, activity, or subject merely for amusement, esp. in a desultory or superficial way; dabbler.

jomothepure wrote:Is there no alternative forum where you could seek proper debate free from the parasitic dilettantes of boxrec? Surely you are wasting your time here?

BoxBuzz wrote:

jomothepure wrote:Is there no alternative forum where you could seek proper debate free from the parasitic dilettantes of boxrec? Surely you are wasting your time here?

please don't attempt to inculcate granberry into the PRBT....

jomothepure wrote:Talking of questions not answered, could I possibly ask again granberry why you stick around here with the La Razas and shills and Dilettante when there are surely shill-free etc. forums to discuss boxing

granberry wrote:

jomothepure wrote:Talking of questions not answered, could I possibly ask again granberry why you stick around here with the La Razas and shills and Dilettante when there are surely shill-free etc. forums to discuss boxing

Good question.

Some longtime boxing people I know have a great time glancing in here (they are not registered themselves) and looking at my posts.

They are all very puzzled by the cluelessness displayed by a certain number of the posters here.

One guy wrote to me of the frantic reaction to my posts by certain posters here,

"You offend their ignorance."

Collins2000 wrote:

granberry wrote:

jomothepure wrote:Talking of questions not answered, could I possibly ask again granberry why you stick around here with the La Razas and shills and Dilettante when there are surely shill-free etc. forums to discuss boxing

Good question.

Some longtime boxing people I know have a great time glancing in here (they are not registered themselves) and looking at my posts.

They are all very puzzled by the cluelessness displayed by a certain number of the posters here.

One guy wrote to me of the frantic reaction to my posts by certain posters here,

"You offend their ignorance."

Empirical evidence (ie the reaction of the real boxing guys in "the greatest thread ever" to your revelations) suggests this is mere fantasy on your part, granberry.

Rick Farris wrote:

Granberry-

Good stuff amigo!

-Rick Farris

Rick Farris wrote:Granberry,

Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!

As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.

This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.

Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:

granberry wrote:
Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.

Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.

He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.

And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.

WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.

This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.

I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however, it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.

I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.

-Rick

Lausse wrote:Granberry,

That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?

Collins2000 wrote: Empirical evidence (ie the reaction of the real boxing guys in "the greatest thread ever" to your revelations) suggests this is mere fantasy on your part, granberry.

Rick Farris wrote:

Granberry-

Good stuff amigo!

-Rick Farris

Rick Farris wrote:Granberry,

Your information on Yaqui Lopez in Philly, Saad Mahammad, etc. was great!

As an L.A. gym rat, I saw a lot of great wars between legendary Mexican champs, etc. However, Philly has always had this rep for great gym wars, and I was a fan of most of those great Philadelphia middle & welterweights.

This past Oct. we, Dan Hanley & I, interviewed Georgie Benton, who was inducted as a trainer. Unfortunatly, we didn't have the time that need be devoted to such a great source of history. I loved watching Benton fight, not to mention Bennie Briscoe, Harold Johnson, "Kitten" Hayward, Gypsy Joe Harris, etc.

Hopefully, Benton will attend our '08 WBHOF banquet. If so, we'll be prepared to do it as it should be done.

-Rick

Rick Farris wrote:

granberry wrote:
Rick Farris writes that he would like to interview Georgie Benton.

Benton lost his own career sitting around and waiting.

He was a used as a ‘policeman’ in the overall agenda.

And then his career was over. His years as a fighter were gone.

WHY? Because Carter was supposed to get a title fight (which he then did) and Benton was a dutiful soldier for the people who were controlling things. Carter didn’t belong in the same ring with a fighter like Benton.

This is very interesting. Right after the WBHOF banquet ended last year, most of the boxers & guests, including myself, had rooms at the Hotel. I was with an old friend who helped us conduct the interviews and we went into the bar to have a drink. George Benton, and one of his son's who'd accompanied him, were sitting at the bar.

I took the stool next to Benton and bought he and his son a drink. Earlier in the evening we'd interviewed Benton, and Dan Hanley did a good job despite having no time to prepare. It was one of those on-the-spot things. I jumped in and we pulled a bit more out of George, however, it was what we discussed "off camera" in the bar that validates, in my mind, what you share in the above post.

I won't continue at this moment, as my wife of less than a week has plans for us. I fight with just about anybody, but I don't cross this Brazilian lady.

-Rick

Lausse wrote:Granberry,

That was one hell of a story, and it makes much more sense now to me as to why he looked so dramatically different in his fight versus Scott who he outclassed and then his poor showing vs Gregory. I never could figure out why he fought the way he did in that fight as that wasn`t his usual style and he threw almost no body punches either which he normaly did. A shame what happened to him as he had a lot of potential and was a very strong guy with a good head on his shoulders, would you happen to know what Jerry is up to these days and how he is doing by any chance?